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What are the requirements for the Swiss heroin programme?

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If one was a long-term heroin user and was planning on moving to Switzerland, what would be the requirements to enter into the Swiss diamorphine maintenance treatment programme?

I've heard that they have special diamorphine preparations that can be smoked, for people who don't IV. I've even heard that they add nicotine for smokers. Is this true?

Also, if they don't give you enough of the drug to get high, why is it more effective for some people than methadone?
 
Also, if they don't give you enough of the drug to get high, why is it more effective for some people than methadone?


Honestly I've done really good with methadone and it has saved my life but my only complaint is that the detox process is going to take a long fucking time, like over a year and a half to get down from 100mg's a day. If I was on a dope regimen I could probobly detox comfortably in under a month, that's the main reason that Diamorphine would be better for maintenance then methadone or sub's in a lot of cases. Just my 2 cents.
 
please dont tell me your planning to move there JUST to get legal heroin?!?! PLEASE!
I mean fuck they only let you shoot up twice a day anyways which for ME would keep me in wd a good majority of the day.
I thought I read on here a while back that swiss were looking at a COMBINED methadone Heroin scheme anyone heard anymore on that? that makes more sense to me. just enough to mdone to Hold you so that you can still get blasted on the heroin but still not be in wds ever. that sounded like the best maintenence plan EVER! :)
I havent heard anything about smokeable heroin at clinic
 
I'm pretty sure the Netherlands has the Diamorphine Rx program where they offer smokeable Heroin and a smoking apparatus.

The Heroin doses are determined by the patient. You do get high. You are maintained on either Heroin alone or Heroin along with a small daily dose of Methadone (20-40mg).

Methadone has a lot of downsides. There is little to no pleasurable effects after the beginning transition period (some people do get some positive effects some of the time, but its not much). Oral administration (in the US) is a downside, as many patients are unwilling to break the needle habit, or unable. IV Methadone is used in some countries, with a slightly better success rate than oral Methadone in these patients, but not by much. Methadone is a synthetic opioid, it has a different feel to it than semi-synthetics like Heroin or natural Morphine. Blunting emotions and feeling in general is a big downside to Methadone, as is its labido killing power (Dope enhanced my sex drive; Methadone has withered it into a passive nothingness). Heavy sedation is present with Methadone when the dose is raised to a level where it blocks cravings for most people, which is only a slight characteristic of habitual Heroin use (most people consider Heroin to have a stimulating effect on their creative or work related output).

I'm of the opinion that an IV Heroin addict (who does not abhor his/her addiction) can only be completely content on a medical maintenance program where there are the normal ups and downs of short acting narcotics. The ups and downs of an RX Heroin program are still there, peaks and drops in serum levels will still occur, only to a less extreme extent. The need-reward paradigm has to remain in place. A patient taking Methadone at the same dose at the same time every day does not have more than a negligible up-down pattern (unless they are one of the rare fast-metabolizers).
 
just enough to mdone to Hold you so that you can still get blasted on the heroin but still not be in wds ever. that sounded like the best maintenence plan EVER!

That sounds like a terrible idea long term.
 
I don't think the Swiss are ready for a flood of junkie immigrants looking for legal dope. Nor will they allow any foreigner to get in this program as its probably highly selective and limited in capacity with priority going to citizens, naturally.
 
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You certainly have to be a Swiss citizen. And good luck attaining that. For the Canadian program, you also had to be at least 25yo, been an addict for a while(a few years, I forget how many), and have to have failed mmt several times. Not sure how you prove all that. Also, keep in mind that there are a limited number of spots available. At least there were in the Canadian version.



Back in the early 90's, the Swiss tried "legalizing." Well, it wasn't proper legalization. What they did was allow drugs to be used and sold in the open, in a designated park in Zurich --'needle park' and whatever its called in German. The experiment didn't last long, as addicts from all over Europe went there to score and use. It was quite a mess, and only lasted a couple years if that.
 
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You certainly have to be a Swiss citizen. And good luck attaining that. For the Canadian program, you also had to be at least 25yo, been an addict for a while(a few years, I forget how many), and have to have failed mmt several times. Not sure how you prove all that. Also, keep in mind that there are a limited number of spots available. At least there were in the Canadian version.
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Ha, you beat me to it Phrozen. To anyone trying to get Swiss citizenship, I say best of luck. Even parents of Swiss decent does not guarentee citizenship. And I seriously doubt a foriegner trying to come to the country with ideas of getting free heroin would be quite disappointed, but that's just common sense telling me that. Personally, I'm not sure how effective these programs are. I think there will always be people who need to get fucked up 24/7, and for them perhaps this program will work. But I question whether a professional such as a pharmacist or doctor coul;d ever hold down a job shooting up twicew a day... your thoughts?
 
Maybe not a doctor or pharmacist but there are plenty of jobs that I think someone with a habit like you've mentioned could hold down. I believe society needs to find a role for such people besides from criminal or junkie.
 
Medical professionals have always had a higher than average risk of opioid addiction. Popular lore says combinations like Pentazocine + Pyribenzamine was invented by lower level healthcare workers (as in the '70s Pentazocine was unscheduled the way Tramadol is now, and Tripellenamine/Pyribenzamine was a common Rx anti-Histamine, like Zyrtec/Claritin today). There is even one serial killer doctor addict who would prescribe large amounts of Rx Diamorphine to his elderly dying patients, administer a lethal dose, and keep the leftovers for himself.

An opioid addict is much different than any other drug addict, in that the compulsive use of opioids does not impair their ability to function as a productive member of society the way Cocaine or downers or alcohol do. Maintenance programs have proven that an opioid addict who is maintained on any opioid is going to be just as productive as any non-addict member of society.

The Swiss, Dutch, etc have Rx Heroin programs, but they have stringent requirements. You have to meet certain standards, consume your prescription Diamorphine in designated clinics no more than two or three times a day depending on the program, regular counseling, meetings with healthcare workers, etc.

The British Rx Heroin program is much, much more lenient. Although the law in the UK says a British doctor who prescribes IV Heroin or IV Methadone to a patient for maintenance/detox has to be a registered specialist (like the Buprenorphine guidelines in the US), any doctor can prescribe IV Heroin/Methadone, Diconal, Dilaudid, any narcotic for pain. There have been a few court cases regarding regular doctors prescribing narcotics like Heroin/IV Methadone to addicts without being a specialist. Either way, the onsite consumption, counseling, etc does not exist in the UK guidelines, you go to the doctor, he prescribes Diamorphine ampoules, and you consume at your leisure.
I don't know if you have to be a citizen of the UK to get a script for IV Diamorphine maintenance. There aren't many Rx Heroin patients out there in the UK though, it's mostly oral Methadone and in some cases IV Methadone. But it is possible, and much less stringent than Switzerland or the Netherlands' requirements.
 
We I agree that opiate addicts really are the only ones that can function properly.
Like for example, I aleways say show me a successful stimulant addict. You'll never find a successful meth addict IMO. They're usually the people who get caught with a meth lab in their car on Cops, whereas the opiate addicts have slept properly ETC.
I have known doctors who were opiate addicts (in was found out further down the road) so it defnitely is possible, but it is true that doctors are held to higher standard, for obvious reasons.

OP: I honestly dont know how good your chances of getting on a foreign program like this would be. Like I asked in your other thread... whats going on? Are you just looking to get high off whatever (heroin, methadone, bupe) or are you trying to get clean? I dont see where youre coming from.....
 
at the very least you probably have to prove somehow that you have tried methadone/rehab/whatever and failed. theyre notjust going to hook up any randow addict. at least thats how the canadian program works.
 
Keep in mind NAOMI/the Canadian Rx Heroin program is just a trial. The UK has had Rx Heroin since the '20s, and the Swiss have had it since '94. The regulations will change if it becomes a permanent program.
 
^ His chances? 0%. Literally. Zero Percent.

Yeah JC I agree.
I'm just trying to understand where OP is coming from though, as in another thread he want to breaks thru bupe with methadone (or is it vice versa?) and here he talks of Swiss heroin maintenance, so I'm wondering whether he has actually tried getting clean with bupe or wherther he's still at the stage where he is just getting fucked up off anything and everything
 
The guy who runs black poppy magazine is a UK heroin patient. He is an austrialian citizen with aids living in the UK. If I remember correctly, there are only maybe 500-1000 people on Heroin maitntance there though
 
Yeah JC I agree.
I'm just trying to understand where OP is coming from though, as in another thread he want to breaks thru bupe with methadone (or is it vice versa?) and here he talks of Swiss heroin maintenance, so I'm wondering whether he has actually tried getting clean with bupe or wherther he's still at the stage where he is just getting fucked up off anything and everything

I think I kind of understand what the OP is thinking. It's a thought most or all us drug seekers (more specifically opiate users) have.
A life where our DOC is legal and financially acceptable. A life where no user needs to worry about waking up sick and out of dope.

Though I dont think it's going to happen anytime soon.:(
 
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