4-Mar, in hindsight, ................... Way different to MDPV as well as the euphoria lasts for much longer while peeve fades by about the 3 hour mark but the sleeplessness lasts for 16 hours with peeve. 4-Mar is just crazy shit. Dead give away is the shape of the 4-Mar shards, long and thin not at all like regular meth.
I think that's a great post because is covers about all of what I have ever told anybody whom ever said "this shit really got legs & feel amazing it must be 4-MAR".
Like lovepsychadelics says if you'd had 4-MAR there would be no question in your mind as regard to differentiated effects in comparison between 4-Methylaminorex-hydrochloride and Methamphetamine-hydrochloride. I'll be showing my age a bit here with some of the older what most will think nevermore seen again, therefore out dated information but I think it has some relevance even if the production methods have shifted to the small scale for personal use type one pot method I outlined in post #26.
I would describe say a good smoke of a point (10mg) consumed in session over a period of time, half to one hour. The description of its effectiveness constantly intersecting over a wide range of categories. Somewhere between eating a big hand full of Modafinil but way stronger bordering on amphetamine stimulus best described as an extreme level of wakefulness with an attention to detail and cognitive effects the I would more associate with modern Nootropic smart drugs then a party drug. The euphoria is well undeniably distinctive and can not in any waybe mistaken for Meth. How or in what form people perceive euphoria is kind of subjective so its level of intensity is hard to articulate. I would put it somewhere between a line of the worlds best cocaine a 90mg dose of MDMA and the moment your football team wins the finals holding the cup up in victory. (AFL Go Hawrks)
The duration of 4-MAR is another unmistakable marker, psychostimulant effects are long-lasting and intense. Smoking that point after dinner at the pub before going out to see Dire Straits play I was still going strong at 3-4am coming down around 6-7am. This is I would say one of the blessings and curses out of the same mouth when it come to 4-MAR some times you wont it all to stop but I just keep going. I don't know if I'd say I was fucked up for days as stated by lovepsychadelics, but I can attest the duration of in my case was about 12 hours or so. But keep in mind I had a full meal with not to much alcohol and downed a Valium or two about 7am.
Regarding lovepsychadelics comment on the shape of the 4-Mar crystals, I think we should clarify that a little.
Back in the day when original Yaba/Shabu came out in Thailand the Yaba were the tablet/blocks of 4-MAR and the Shabu was crystal Meth.
With out going into specifics of the synthesis, back in the late '80's early '90's we'd go over on holidays and mail stuff back home. The first methods of production used over there resulted in a racemic dl-trans isomer-4-MAR that instead of coming out as a classic crystalline hydrochloride salt that we recognize today it was a hardened sold amorphous salt. A kind of a non-crystalline salt like the way silica sand can be quartz crystals or glass, which is an amorphous solid. That stuff that looks like chewing gum are the blocks raped up like sweets. The image is the original U4Euh. Yaba pills today have nothing to do with 4-MAR there just junk stims.
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The newer methods use mentioned in post #26 results in racemic dl-cis isomer-4-MAR. The less symmetrical (more polar) cis isomer didn't have the hygroscopic problems of the trans isomer so after gassing it can be recrystallized. Unlike the old stuff it didn't need to be set on the oven or left out in the sun to solidify. The crystals from mentioned by lovepsychadelics are spot on correct they do look like rice shaped needles and can not grow very large on account of there conformations and relative stability along with a hole load of other boring chemistry shit.
What maters is whether you some how get the pure cis-(4S,5R) 4-MAR or the racemic dl-cis 4-MAR the crystals will be: Long, thin irregular rods, thin needles, some in feather-combs or possibly Rods in rosettes, sheaves, and bundles. You will never get big shardie crystals like we see with meth that is just physically impossible. The stock standard thin irregular rods can be seen in the image below.
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Citations for the Microcrystalline tests performed on the hydrochloride salts with four possible stereoisomers (trans-(4R,5R), trans-(4S,5S), cis-(4R,5S) and cis-(4R,5S)), and two racemates (dl-cis and dl-trans).
Clarke, E. G. C., Isolation and Identification of Drugs, Pharmaceutical Press, London, 1969, pp. 135-141.
Fulton, C. C., Modern Microcrystal Tests for Drugs, Wiley-Interscience, New York, 1969.