Well...

Having spent 20 years battling with heroin; unfortunately you have opened 'Pandora's Box', you need to stop NOW. Get help Pagey you won't do it on your own. You need as much support around you as you can find. Using more H will make your life rapidly spiral downward, you may feel it is all you have right now but in fact its the last thing you want. I have just got clean again from a relapse after 6 years being clean, don't let this ruthless drug get ya man. I wish you strength and piece of mind.
 
By the way, heroin doesn't have to be a "pandora's box" for everyone. I tried it on and off for a few years, went through some rough periods, but shortly found it boring. Maybe other drugs are more interesting to you and heroin will soon be take-it-or-leave-it.
 
Thanks so much for the answers everyone, wish I had time to answer individually. I know some of you quite well and others not at all but in any case it really feels good to see all the support :)
I'm going to do what I can to find another therapist who can help me with the addiction issues as well...And well I'll do what I can to motivate myself to stop before it's too late. I'll keep you posted if you'd like. Thanks again :)
 
Pagey l have seen your posts on the boards and this makes me scared for you. I can naot articulate the insidiousness of this drug, you become a slave to it before you even realize what is happening. It is a blessing that you are aware through being a bluelighter what Heroin addiction can entail, you already have an idea the way it pulls you in, that pull gets stronger and stronger untilyou can't recognize who you are or remember who you used to be. It takes you places that change you forever, and not in a good way. You have s beautiful spirit Pagey it is apparent through your caring and kindness on these forums, don't let this horrible drug take that away. The world needs more people like you just the way you are.
 
Hang in there Pagey.
Looks like you are getting a lot of support from bL, which is a good thing. You are very understood the moment you make an entry in here.
Please get better though <3
While you still have the chance!!
I believe its not too late for you to stop using H for good.
Please dude, you don't want to end up on the street begging as an outcome some day <3
 
Pagey <3
I wish I had the perfect answer to this issue
but unfortunately I don't think anyone does.... People who really believe in NA will argue that they do and if it works for them great but I wasn't a fan...

Anyway PM me anytime.... You remind me soooo much of me a few years ago.... and I DONT want you to make some of the mistakes I have made...

Also I agree don't be so hard on yourself.... not that its ok to do hard drugs instead of finding better ways to cope but you can ONLY move forwards not backwards and attempt to learn from your mistakes :)
 
pagey, 1st i'd say that your psychiatrist is no use to you at this point (doing sessions while pretending you're not using is actually counterproductive)

plz tell as many ppl you care about, as soon as possible. Get suboxone ASAP (not blackmarket i mean real rx's), or methadone if unavailable.

sorry to hear this, makes me real sad :( hope you can nip this before hittng the bottom (where most seem to need to go before they'll turn around..fuck if i could have just truly understood that 4-5yrs ago, i'd have saved YEARS of my life and kept things i lost and can never get back :/ )

stop hiding it, stop rationalizing it. if you wanna salvage life while you're still pretty and in school and are functioning, then this is a bigger priority than classes / holidays / etc and you need to admit it and deal with it ASAP
/plz plz?
 
^ i have to respectfully disagree.... suboxone or methadone maintenance will likely worsen the situation in the long run....
from my understanding she is not in a deep enough hole to warrant putting herself through that....
 
not in a deep enough hole? unsure how you get that. I'm reading this as she's had issues in the past, and has been steadily fighting to stop getting more dope lately yet keeps getting it, and even palliatives like codeine aren't helping her w/o dope. That's a case for tapering/maintenance while it's still only "shitty" and before it reaches tragic

there's very little drawback to suboxone, when in doubt take suboxone is my reco honestly. She's not playing with occasional vicodins, she's copping dope after knowing she wants to stop and after taking (failed) attempts at stopping. The biggest drawback suboxone has in such a scenario is price, and possibly blowing her cover (but again i want to say that, IMO, blowing your cover is IMPORTANT to getting clean.)
 
So there's my confession, I've been deluding myself for weeks thinking I was controlling everything but no, I'm not. I'm pathetic and I failed once again.

I really don't want to go to NA again. I've been seeing both a therapist and a psychiatrist for months but I can't tell them about it. I mentioned it vaguely to my therapist a couple months ago and she said if I started using on a regular basis she wouldn't be able to see me anymore because 'I want to be having conversations with you, not the drug'. That made me feel horrible, like I was some sort of outcast. I don't have anyone in my life I can talk to about this either and I think if anyone here knew about it they wouldn't ever talk to me again.

Have you really failed? You can still turn back right now and start attending classes, submitting work, attempting to catch up on stuff you've missed out on, etc. You're still in the game, you've just maybe lost interest in it because not only are you depressed, but the chem's are starting to mess with your mind and negatively affect your outlook and perspective! 'Heroin' is a great anti-depressant, along with almost all opiates or opioids, but after a while you grow used to feeling the euphoria and joy and without the chemical in your blood, you literally stop being able to feel positive or happy for a potentially ruinously long time!

Pagey said:
I want it to end so bad and 'Heroin' is the only thing keeping me going and giving me a reason to get up in the mornings, something which I haven't even been doing in the past few weeks. I've been forcing myself to go out in the evenings and interact with people, 'have fun', or at least pretend to, but truth is it just feels like shit because I know how fake it is. I hate being with them and the whole time I'm just telling myself I can't wait to get back to my room and do more h. I hate how much I've let myself go physically but I don't have the strength to change it so I just snort more. I've stopped going to my classes or doing any of my work. I'm going home for a few weeks in a week and I'm dreading it so much. There are horrible memories there and I don't know how I'll handle it. I'm terrified.

Do you want to die? You don't strike me as such. I don't want you to die, but I know that I'm mostly just living a silly routine that I consider to be a mockery against life itself, walking the inexorable path from cradle to grave.

Then again, it can be so much more than that: change something. Do something. Do you know when I was most happy? It was when I was working.

When you're at a job, whether it's at some bug-infested fast food restaurant or a very nice, pleasant corporate office building, you're surrounded by your peers and you basically integrate yourself into society, learning how to talk to people; they'll chat to you and you'll have laughs whether you intend to or even feel like it or not, and that's one thing I'd suggest either picking (back?) up on or covering by heading to class to be with similarly-minded people - I'm sure you're all studying something that you want to study, right?

You get lost in either scrubbing dishes and running a dish-washer, clearing up plates, standing behind a bar pouring pints and fetching ice, typing up faxes and e-mails, entering data into some black-hole-esque database that seems to be both ridiculously difficult to use and also an utter waste of time when none of the staff who'd use it use computers (!@#$...) but, ah, my point is that it keeps you occupied and busy and you end up lightening up!

It may be true that, from certain perspectives, one can come to the conclusion that there exists no real point to living life, but that in itself is no bad thing. Think about your goals, as parachuteantics rightfully mentioned.

What is one of your ultimate goals or dreams? I was in a huge rut with drugs and in a terrible relationship - then I was broken up with and left to the curb, failing school, gained a lot of weight, depressed, unhappy. I told my important family members everything and they helped me and encouraged me, friends and family can be very helpful and supportive of a new transition in your life.

Anyway, I already had anxiety and I found something that changed my outlook on everything - I wanted to be a dj/producer. I saved my money for DJing equipment instead of drugs and bought one of my first pieces of equipment. It was a such an acomplishment! I took money from what could have been used for drugs and used it to head towards a personal goal. Sure, I understand I might not ever make it in music but it's a hell of a lot better feeling like crap, doing drugs, wasting money etc. I guess my advice is follow something you are passionate about - and it helps elevate some of that anxiety/use of drugs.

Your own goal of becoming an author is not going to be easy, but it'd be hard to provoke passion in people if credit and respect amongst critics and fame and adulation from fans forming a ring of individuals across the entire globe were that easy to achieve, we'd all be bloody famous! So, what are you writing? I thought as you appear to do: "drugs help me to write". But do they? I've noticed my productivity when under the influence and, yeah, I get some stuff down, but it vastly alters my perception of the world around to a point where certain characters end up written whilst high and other, more grounded characters are written without that chemical aide taking the leash off of my morality for some spectacularly useless diatribe on the truth about drugs and how they're so much greater than anything else in the world...

Write more. Read more, even: I thought that to become a critically-acclaimed author, I'd have to read as much as I could, and I did just that; spent hundreds on 'Classics' and pieces of literature I could never hope to come up against, simply because my imagination may be powerful, but I've had different experiences: men like Vonnegut wrote after seeing the most vile and depraved horrors of war, and Dostoevsky was expecting to be shot before being pardoned by a particular bastard of a Tsar, and I still don't fully understand what that weirdo Kafka was on about.

But I did learn to write what I know, and so I write about addiction and the sorts of problems that plague the kinds of addict one encounters these days, who've managed to remain middle-class and haven't fallen entirely into poverty, but still need a drink or a shot before they'll even consider their day 'begun'. I try to write a few thousand words each and every day, and you ought to do that, too, although I'm sure you've accomplished far more than I ever will!

Just, it's a tough world and people who can word things perfectly are the sort of people who'd be great in a variety of situations, as we rely heavily upon written and verbal communication, so good luck with it all.

What sort of career do you think you'd like to have?

Sounds very familiar, especially that issue with your therapist, I have had the same problem. You know, opiates especially are the kind of drugs that freeze your emotions and psychological growth for the time being, which is the reason why most therapist refuse to deal with people that turn in to drugs. It's up to the therapists patience whether your sessions will end if you bring that up again, I would suggest not because it's just pushing it. The therapists feel that his/her work with you goes down the drain when you do that, that's why they tend to be very sensitive regarding drug use (especially opioids). And of course you take yourself down the drain also, as you already know. But I think it is a very personal offense for the therapist also when you do that, not only professionally. You have other issues besides your addiction, and the other issues cannot be treated when the addiction is masking them. That's just the way it is, unfortunately. This is all based my personal experience with long term psychotherapy and opiate addiction.

I'd feel insulted if someone whose job description was "help me" turned to me and told me to piss off because I was wasting their time. I know that it's out of context, but it just sounds rather unpleasant: "there are real people I can help instead of drug-powered robots under the guise of human form!" Should a therapist say that without offering some sort of relief or aid for the person who's addicted?

Hell, I wonder if many can tell the difference. Certainly, I'm more talkative under the influence, and 'Heroin' (along with other opiates) is great for making you sociable, 'cause suddenly you don't really give a fuck what you say or who you're talking to, 'cause you feel good, not even a punch to the face could unseat you from the delightfully-euphoric throne of 'King of Cannot Be Arsed'.

You've posted at the perfect time and you're not too far gone to receive help and you've not been abusing the 'Heroin' for too long for it to have completely "re-wired" (if you'll excuse the clumsy metaphor) your brain so that you can't feel any joy. Certainly, you're depressed right now, but perhaps looking at other means of remaining sane, your therapist could suggest the likes of anti-depressants, which are probably getting better and better at avoiding random neurotransmitters and just focusing upon the ones that have maximum mood-elevating potential! Still, if I could, I'd mostly stay away from other pills and drugs and try to do something new and go somewhere exciting.

Have a holiday, or walk up to a stranger and start talking; ask a pretty girl out and take her somewhere you've never been before or do something fun, just for the sake of having a laugh, whether you're bowling in those silly-looking shoes or throwing your savings away on a horse or a roulette wheel. My point is: variety is the spice of life, and routine may be necessary for our sanity, in that we become incredibly comfortable with the familiar. However, the opposite of variety is more like just plain rice than, say, cinnamon or paprika, and you're not going to be able to swallow it all of your life before getting fed up.

Try something new. That's all I'm saying.

That and keep up the writing, try to stave off the opiate-pangs and look at other options. You could detoxify your system (feels great for a short while when there's just clean water and good, healthy food, full of vitamins and minerals in your body) or take up a class like Yoga, where you're not going to be judged about your weight: you can always change that, regardless of how many drugs you take, and joining a gym is a perfectly normal social thing where you can choose whether or not to interact with strangers as you attempt to not stare at the one guy inevitably sawing a towel between his thighs and o'er his balls and arse, 'cause why wouldn't he stand completely naked in the middle of a changing room as a heterosexual male, flossing himself dry with a towel? Aside from that, gyms are great. I don't even know why anyone would feel the need to dry that area for a good ten minutes lest they were bloody Chewbacca, but what the hell, it's a free country...

How about a contest? There're many different writings contests and I expect you'd find it enjoyable to take part in those. The drugs, ultimately, will have as much of an influence on your life as you let them. People say that they're "evil" or even "insidious", but that's not describing the drug; you don't take your eyes off a line and then look back to find it crawling up your sleeve, do you? It's the human brain; our minds; we are the insidious, evil ones who'll do anything. The drug is just an inanimate poor salt-replacement unless you're going to smoke, snort or inject it, but we shift our blame onto the chemical for obvious reasons: we don't want to think of ourselves as weak. There're probably loads of other reasons that I've so clumsily hopped right over, but it weakness and fear of it seems to be a big one.

Owning up to your mistakes and talking about them is part of the great thing about this forum: noone's going to judge you, although they might think I've been on the fucking meth when they see how long this post is. Christ: a couple of cups of strong, black coffee to help with an essay I'm writing and I've written you a book! I apologise for the lack of concision and a number of the points I've made rather tactlessly, but I just want you to stop using for a bit, drink more water, eat healthily, consider returning to class and work on your writing - your dream - without a chemical crutch: you won't need it to make yourself funny or witty or clever or anything like that; it'll more often than not get in the way...

I think famous personalities who're known for their substance abuse often get away with a little too much in the name of being witty. Were they really using cunning, swiftian verbal attacks thought up on the spurr of the moment, or were they just drunk or too high to give a fuck and saying what they really thought, spun carefully with a bit of wit or innuendo? I'm sure somebody knows, but it was meant to be a bit on the rhetorical side...

Anyway, good luck, mate. That's all that I can give you, ultimately: I want you to continue living and to not get hooked as I was to all sorts of unpleasant things, 'cause it turns out those PSAs were bullshit and (arguably rather hilarious in many cases) afterall, but they did have legitimate points. Not so much the one where the girls smashes up a kitchen like it's her first morning off the fags and there's an especially-loud mosquito hanging around nearby that's doing nothing for her hangover, no, but a few of them...

^ i have to respectfully disagree.... suboxone or methadone maintenance will likely worsen the situation in the long run....
from my understanding she is not in a deep enough hole to warrant putting herself through that....

I agree here. It can be, at times, like trimming your rose bushes with a scythe, y'know? Or if you're just using codeine at the moment, maybe trimming houseplants with ballistic missiles! Try to stay as close to sober as you can, 'cause you'll get chained to the methadone (they're very eager to give it out before even asking you about your problems in detail, quite often) and then you will find yourself unable to go on holiday with mates when they ask, or trapped in the city over Christmas because the pharmacy that offers it is there, and then coming off it might as well be like river-dancing across a minefield drenched in shards of broken glass, not to forget that it can do serious damage to your teeth, and you don't want to be going to the dentist all of the time whilst complaining about pain and buying sensitive-toothpaste and all of that bollocks...

Take care. %)
 
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NA isn't the only thing around, you're in london, find your council's drug treatment centre.

my local one doesn't even do "X Anonymous" they do something called SMART recovery, with drug specific meetings.

of course you're going to feel shitty and want to use just staying at home not doing your work, then it piles up and it becomes even more difficult to get motivated. plus it's your first year, not like you've impacted your degree in any real way.

look at what you want in life and do stuff. don't get stuck in ruminations about yourself or your life otherwise of course you'll feel shit.
 
Pagey whenever addicts start thinking along the lines of "heroin/crack/coke, etc. is the only thing that makes me happy or worth waking up in the morning." That usually means the honeymoon phase is over and the reality of how evil those drugs are has set in. You were incredibly foolish to try heroin, so was I. It's pure evil wrapped in euphoric bliss, and it will make your life a living hell. You seem to have quite a big of angst. I've read a lot of your cries for help on Bluelight and it saddens me. I don't know you very well but you sound like a wonderful british girl that really has a heart for other addicts and people who struggle with depression.

My advice is to you is do what I've done, get on suboxone to stabalize my moods. Go to AA. Eat and exercise regularly. Cut all ties with drug users/ drug dealers. Once you get 30-60 days sober it's amazing how much clearer your thinking is and you will start caring about things that didn't matter to you when you were using. Such as how you look and dress, what you do for a living, and what you want to do for your future? Also you'll start thinking about being in a healthy relationship with a guy that loves and appreciates you. Your self-esteem will rise, your confidence will rise. You'll look and feel better and start feeling like a winner and more optimistic for the future because each day your not using heroin is a victory. You will have money in your pocket. You won't have the low lows and high highs. You wont have the chaos, depression, and angst as much. You wont be cut off from the sunlight of the spirit and a great relationship with your higher power of your understanding. And you will learn new ways to cope with boredom, sadness, etc.

I'm 90 days sober and LIFE IS SO MUCH BETTER. Please don't sell yourself short Pagey. All you have to do is not drink or use and you will see the blessings and miracles in your life keep coming and coming. The longer you stay sober the better things will get. Please get out of the drug scene now before you lose your life, get in trouble with the law, lose your family and friends, become homeless, go bankrupt, lose your kids and husband. etc. THERE IS NO FUTURE WITH HEROIN. Choose life, choose sobriety, you will be amazed at how much happier you will feel in 3 months time, and I GUARENTEE you that you will look back and think..."damn..." It sure feels good, waking up sober and happy, and being FREE. Free from your past.

I was a skeptic too. I thought I would be miserable in sobriety, I thought I was doomed to be an addict the rest of my life. I never thought I could become the person I really wanted to be. I never thought I could have what I truly wanted. But I gave sobriety a chance, like I'm recommending to you. And life just gets better and better. It's not easy and I do have a lot of heroin dreams and thoughts about it. You better believe I miss the euphoria, but I don't miss being dopesick, wasting days away lying in bed too tired to get up and do anything, to ancy to sleep.... waiting...waiting... for that call. Only feeling happy when you have heroin. Getting ripped off and associating with scummy people. The euphoria is not right, it's evil, and it's what hooks ppl like us in and then it steals our hearts, minds and bodies without us noticing until its too late and we a re miserable that we feel a life with heroin is the only way to live. ITS NOT. Swallow your pride and reach out for help. I beg you, give NA a chance, give sobriety a chance, give yourself a chance.
 
Good post, except that sobriety with suboxone is kind of cheating except for hard core addicts.
 
^ i disagree.

12mg subutex takes away my physical withdrawal but i don't feel any psychological effects whatsoever, and i'm no hardcore.
 
Sure you may call yourself what you want, but to me soberness is something else than being on maintenance treatment.. except if you have used heroin/methadone for like 10+ years and your body is perhaps never going to recover from abuse, that's a different story. But for a small habit like the OP has suggesting suboxone for soberness is just crazy.
 
Sure you may call yourself what you want, but to me soberness is something else than being on maintenance treatment.. except if you have used heroin/methadone for like 10+ years and your body is perhaps never going to recover from abuse, that's a different story. But for a small habit like the OP has suggesting suboxone for soberness is just crazy.

Cheating or not, it's the end result that matters.
 
viewing this through ideas like "cheating" is a retarded notion off the bat. It comes down to what hte problem was, and the best way to solve it, nothing more nothing less. It's utterly irrelevant whether you consider it "cheating", or whether i do not; what is relevant is fixing a problem with addiction, whether with mmt, suboxone or bupe; whether used to taper/wean to normalcy, or whether continued indefinitely as maintenance.
 
Sure you may call yourself what you want, but to me soberness is something else than being on maintenance treatment.. except if you have used heroin/methadone for like 10+ years and your body is perhaps never going to recover from abuse, that's a different story. But for a small habit like the OP has suggesting suboxone for soberness is just crazy.

I think you mean 'sobriety.'

And a post like this will only prospectively make people on suboxone question the legitimacy of their efforts to quit. While I do believe many people use suboxone in doses larger and in durations longer than needed, I'd think twice before qualifying peoples' struggle to quit heroin.
 
my previous post in this thread was because of a similar concern, BUT if we're gonna flesh it out, i'm game. No, quitting with suboxone is not as "raw", or as tough, as quitting cold turkey. I know this personally (successfully c.turkey'd off a ~3yr, very high dosage, daily/100% consistent intake of oxy/methadone/valium/temazepam when my dr and his pharmacy were raided/shut down)
That said, let's consider wtf we're talking about - is this a game of sorts? Is this about "quitting as purely as possible"? Or is the undertaking of beating an addiction the primary concern?

I'm not sure i'm even comfortable admitting this on bluelight, but while getting/staying clean, i developed a subconscious aversion to ppl who use the harder narcotics with *any* regularity. there have been plenty times where, sadly, even teh ppl in the room and the user themselves, could tell that, upon knowing someone was a regular user, could tell that i immediately viewed them in a wayyyy lesser respect. i'm not saying it's right, and, honestly, it's likely just a remnant of having gotten over a ~2.5-3yr oxy habit myself<2yr w/o any dependence whatsoever right now>.
THAT SAID, i've also found out, or have been reminded, that certain ppl i associate with are on suboxone therapy - from where i am in life right now, the way that hearing that hits me is no different than hearing they're on penicillin. I'm not even exaggerating, if a person had a dope habit before, adn they've been on bupe or subbies for 6mo, or 2yrs, i don't even see them as remotely the same as someone who cold turkey'd a month ago, or someone who just uses every weekend.
Using bupe, or mmt*, is NOT something that should in any way, shape or form, make an ex-user feel they haven't beaten it.
[hypothetical: if you told me you had been chewing nicorette gum for the past 6mo, i would NOT view you as a smoker, i'd view you as a non-smoker who used a nicotine product <well, i'd view you as a non-smoker 100%, the same as if you told me you took up coffee]

/*=i include mmt(methadone maintenance therapy) here for theoretical reasons- i've yet to personally see someone use methadone successfully; i know plenty of ppl IRL who used, or still use, suboxone, and are the very definitions of success. FWIW, several of them are amongst the better ppl i've ever known. I think there's something significant about a person truly beating something as big as opiate addiction, but that's another topic for another day/thread
 
personally I had to cold turkey it. I tried subs and once I was nearing the end of my long 6 month taper, the cravings came back with a vengeance and I was rigging dope again. not saying one is better over the other (methadone I believe has the smallest success rate). could always try naltrexone depot (vivitrol) once past the physical withdrawals. no opis for a month while on vivitrol.
 
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