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Well, 2C-I was not that cool.

okay, i got no visual or mental affects from 2-CI. I did get a tingly body buzz for a while, felt a little warm, some sliiight discolorations and some color distortions, but even those I had to stare at something a long time to see. I didnt get any feeling of 'oneness' or like i was 'connecting' with anything, it really had no mental drive at all. For my brain, it did not work, and I've experimented at dosage levels at 30 mgs or more. It just didn't work... my brain isn't very receptive of any of the 2-C chems. I've talked to several people who've reported the same thing. I was also unimpressed with 2-CE, though it was a little better than the 2-CI. Everyone's neurochemistry is different. And yes, I know what the word "psychedelic" means. I know it well enough to know when I'm tripping. And no, I did not "trip" off 2-CI, and its psychoactive affects were barely noticeable IMO.

And the powder I had wasn't fake or bunk, so don't suggest that. Many of my friends did the same shit I did, and far less of it, and got WAY more fucked up than I did.
 
Winding Vines said:
I think a lot of folks don't realize psychedelic means "mind manefesting" and the word has NOTHING to do with seeing pretty colors.
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Well, I do. I stand by what I said earlier.
 
Although I've always hated the jittery speed like side affect I get with 2C-I I have always found it quite an interesting psychedelic from a thought perspective and have some very interesting break throughs both with general thoughts on the day to day through to some really positive self healing experiences.
 
Why?

2C-I might not be the best drug I've ever tried, but it sure blows the shit out of 2C-E.

I was wondering why you thought 2C-I was far better than 2C-E, as in my experience of the two, 2C-I is enjoyable, but is very much a lightweight psychedelic when compared to 2C-E. Even with 25mg of 2C-I, I never felt that it could produce any philisophical epiphany (although it's good for working out emotional problems, a bit like MDMA), whereas 17.5mg of 2C-E profoundly changed my view on one part of life, and even 10mg left me in awe (i've taken 2C-I about 2 dozen times, yet 2C-E only twice due to it's profound effects)
 
^^^ Ditto on that.

All three of my 2C-E experiences were great- profound thinking, etc.

Yet even at 30 or 40 mg of 2C-I, the only things changed were intensity of visuals, body-stimulation, and headache.
 
I say it all comes down to 'different strokes for different folks'. I realized this after discovering that I might possibly be one of the only posters on this forum that actually likes 5-MeO-AMT. =D
 
iso240 said:
I know and trust several people who find 2C-E to be some sort of crazy, intense super-psychedelic, but I think most of its reputation is due to expectations that arose from early trip reports.
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Hee hee. No sir. But I wish simple expectation could make any psychedelic experience as deep as the 2C-E experience. Then all the lesser psychedelics would have use.
 
It sure didn't work for PMEA (all hyped up in the thread here at Bluelight), since TM321 has taken this several have followed and didn't report the amazing effects he had, even with doses that were twice as high. If expectations colour the psychedelic experience, then my time with 2C-I should've been a lot better..
 
I can repeat what I said in a couple of other threads about the collective unconscious, but I guess I will just get flamed for it.

Then again we could go back to the very simple conclusion that everyone reacts differently to different substances at different doses in different sets and settings.

I still think, though, that there are some basic things that are true for all, such as 2C-I (and 2C-E) being definitely psychedelic, but percieved differently by different people.

Much like a comedy lets say. A comedy is charactarized as being humourous. Some do find its humour funny. Others don't. But at the end, it is still humour.

Note that I intentioneally used the word "Different" many times, and could have used it more.
 
iso240 said:
I don't see how it's even debatable that expectations at least "colour" the psychedelic experience.
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Colour, okay.. Should've worded it a little different. How about "make"..? Because that's basically what you were heading for when you said that people expected it to be some sort of crazy, intense super-psychedelic.
 
iso, just don't forget that different people have different heads. Most people I know including myself find 2C-E to be remarkably more intense than 2C-I. I have taken both several times and I enjoy them both.

In my experience, 2C-E magnifies tactile sensations to an incredible degree (great sex drug), while 2C-I has more of a numbing/analgesic feeling. 2C-E visuals are much more influenced by my mind than 2C-I which seems more like just a light and color show. I also experience intense synaesthesia with 2C-E between visual, aural, olfactory and tactile dimensions. 2C-I provides very little synaesthesia and only modest enhancement of music.

I'm also amazed at how strongly 2C-E effects me (and my partner) at lower doses. Last weekend, we had only 12mg and we still had intense visuals. The pine trees out our friend's window were literally dancing in time with the music. It was full open-eye fantasia, and that's on only 12mg! 20mg is compareable in intensity to the strongest Mescaline experiences I've had.

I guess some people's head are just wired differently. Or maybe there are some purity issues after all.
 
2CE may not be a hardcore psychedelic but it is the most psychedelic out of all the 2Cxx's I've tried and the only one to have any real depth or clarity, the others I find to be mere eye-candy and next to worthless unless taken as part of a combo. In fact, I'd almost go as far as to say that it is one of the few PEA's I've come across that's worth a pinch of shit
 
iso, since this is a 2C-I thread, I'll explain my feelings of 2C-E in the The Big and Dandy 2C-E Thread. I don't think there is any need for argument. I think we're both correct, but I bet you have a particularly high tolerance to it compared with others which seems to be a rather common thing.
 
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It seems to me that with the psychedelic phenethylamines, especially the 2c's, some people break thru and some people don't, with most people breaking thru on some of them but not on others. Even for the same person, you can break thru one time and not the next with the same substance and dose. But if you have broken thru with a psychedelic phenethylamine you'll understand why some people call them profound, deep and overwhelming psychedelics. If you haven't, I don't know what to tell you. You can try a higher dose, a different substance, or you can just give up. ;)
 
iso240 said:
I think most of its reputation is due to expectations that arose from early trip reports." I still believe that to be true and I'm not really sure what we're arguing about?
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This exact sentence, I just don't think such a thing is really possible..

My expectations from 2C-I were rather high, though my first time with the chemical was really dissapointing from what I thought was going to happen. You're saying that the reason some people find 2C-E to be some sort of some sort of crazy, intense super-psychedelic is because they have read a bunch of very promising trip reports.. So basically you're saying that people just "make" this extroardinary experience themselves instead of letting the chemical do it's work, if that were the case 2C-I would be a fantastic tool for me, sadly it isn't..
 
A couple of months ago I tried taking approx. 50 mg of 2c-i by mistake (how is THAT possible? well that´s a long and different story). Anyway I can say, that taking that dose was the BIGGEST mistake in my life! And I have made quite many =D ... ´cause I got a 16 hour hellride through my mind to the brink of insanity! With all sorts of oev´s and cev´s I thought I was being kept in my apartment for some research project of a kind, not knowing who or why I was who I was...-or am..-or...eehh does it make any sense?? 8( What it was was a mindfuck of biblical proportions!

Later I tried same material with good and decent respond. It was at 12mg.

My point is that I think this material, in the right setting and dose can be a marvelous ride. On the other hand, in the wrong setting with the wrong dose it will or can show you things you would only see in your nightmares.
Of the 2c´s I´ve tried, this one is the strongest..

Be safe..

Von K.
 
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^^^ I'm surprised 50mg affected you so much. I knowingly ingested 40mg, and wasn't very impressed (or strapped down for a 16 hour hellride).
 
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