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Well, 2C-I was not that cool.

2C-I was quite psychedelic for me but for some reason almost every time I've taken I've become quite paranoid, sort of like a meth addict rambling about weird conspiracies and looking at people like I think they're about to kill me, so now I stick to other chems.. :D

/mludd
 
2ci has been oh soo readly availible lately to me in bulk amount lately... i have a vast hallucenagen back ground with months dedicated to being fried on good lsd, pounds of mushroom being injested, and a fair a mount of real mesc....

2ci will never be LSD, or a large amount of REAL mesc.... but there are good visuals from it they are just more depth preception distortion based than any other trip...

ive eaten a round 60-80mg in the last 24 hours and had a blast... i think every one has found that mixing it with alcohol helps the jitters and mild nausea.... i am prone to let my stomach puke at any mild discomfort and as thus did vomit the first few times with this ABC but with some booze in my tummy strangly had NO nausea or discomfort...

over all its good dope!...
 
2C-I and sex... Interesting. I had tried it once. It was quite fun, not much of a sensual/erotic opening. Orgasm was easy to find, but I had no inclination to take my thoughts and emotions down the erotic path. On the other hand, 2C-B really does lend itself to erotic openings. Its not as psychedelic in the traditional sense, but there is something there, a window into the sensual world that I find hard to maintain with 2C-I. :)

I look forward to tasting 2C-I and 2C-B again. One day perhaps... When they call for me. :)
 
Based on the effects people report from 2C-I, I thought I'd love it.

Doses from 13-30mg produce no psychedelic effect in me. I feel a little spaced out, as if I had not slept the night before, and a 'too much coffee' feeling. Thats it. I know its not the drug, as I watched others get blown of these amounts.

Oh well.
 
I think the proliferation of 2c-i is a conspiracy to distance the youth of today from actual mind-altering, enlightening psychedelics. I mean think about it... there were always just as many research chemicals to choose from, GOOD ones, yet for some reason 2c-i became the one that found its way to the mainstream college campus black market, and now so many kids today (probably a good 50% of all of you who frequent BL) think that 2c-i is psychedelic, and that means that now people are going to be looking for drugs that cause confusion and pretty colors, because that's all you would think a 'psychedelic' is supposed to do. Meanwhile, substances that promote a healthy outlook on Life and Self have fallen by the wayside. In a couple of years, I imagine I will hardly be able to find someone who knows what it means to actually "trip."

Someone recently told me in a PM that "trippers are becoming a dying breed"... how right that is. I bet most of you who've only done 2c-i and think you're experienced with psychedelics would probably be slapped in the face by some good LSD...

Shulgin didn't even like 2c-i.
 
^ I think a part of it is indeed that there are not that many people looking for a full psychedelic experience.

Some people go off the deep end on 2c-i, but I'm inclined to believe its the minority. Most of the people who I've seen take it get some energy, some almost controllable visual effect, and minor mindfuck. I think this makes it a lot more attractive to the crowd that just wants to get tilted but not trip out.

It was very popular around here.
But then, so was 2c-e... and its no plaything.
 
In all my encounters with 2C-I, I have found it to indeed posses an amphetamine like quality, yet I did find it to be highly psychedelic. I guess different strokes for different folks.
 
ch4d said:
2ci is not a psychedelic, more or less amphetamine like than psychedelic
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That's cool...but do realize there are folks who feel differently and consider 2C-I a valid psychedelic. I find 2C-I fairly light-hearted...yet this material did provide me with a few really fantastically deep trips. One of my few plus-four trips actually occured on 2C-I a number of years ago. But I always say it's the moment, not the substance.
 
My first experience with 2C-I was an emotionally flooring one in which I was able to explore some difficult aspects of my personality in a way I never really experienced before. It was a very useful experience for me. My other experiences with this substance have also showed me some interesting things that leave me still curious to investigate further. While other people might not have had as much luck as I have, there certainly is the possibility to open up on this substance.
 
morninggloryseed said:
That's cool...but do realize there are folks who feel differently and consider 2C-I a valid psychedelic. I find 2C-I fairly light-hearted...yet this material did provide me with a few really fantastically deep trips. One of my few plus-four trips actually occured on 2C-I a number of years ago. But I always say it's the moment, not the substance.
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I have had very good experiences on 2C-I. Granted, it's not as "crazy joyride" as LSD, shrooms or DMT or as deep as 2C-E but I like it nontheless.

I agree that the substance is only half the equation. The moment/set/setting is the other half. I have had differing experiences with 2C-I.

The first time (20mg) was with a loved one, and it was very sensual. We shared an amazing fantasy-space. Although I was the only one who had ingested, my partner picked up on my vibe psychically (I believe 2C-I can open the 3rd eye) very well.

The second time (30mg), I was alone and spent the journey reliving some memories and integrating them. It was very useful.

The third time was in a party setting, with 4 others who ingested (30mg-ish).... we had loads of laughs, very visual..... a bit of a joyride. We dubbed 2C-I "cosmic playdough" 'cos we could shape the trip any way we wanted to.

The fourth time was in combo with acid and everything went very "cartoon universe" for 14 hours, very very visual. But it went dark after 14 hours and I spent the next 8 stuck in crazy dark thought-loops.

So yeah, different strokes for differrent folks, depending on whether it's Tuesday, Friday or Sunday and the configuration of heavenly bodies. For those who say 2C-I is crap...... well that's a bit unfair. It may be crap for you, but others have had a good journey. YMMV.

From Pihkal.....

(with 20 mg) I think there is slightly less than full immersion in the sensual, with this material, compared with 2C-B, but I suspect it's more a matter of getting used to the language of 2C-I and the feelings--getting tuned to a slightly different frequency, really-- rather than that the material is less sensual or less easy to use sensually. Just different frequency, and we are very, very used to 2C-B. Good on the body. Transition, for me, not as strongly dark as 2C-B. But it could certainly take a lot more exploring, if we were able to give the time (about 9 hours) to it. Next day: sleep excellent. Energy next day unusually good. Quite tired by evening.
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Love & light,
Neo
 
Church said:
Shulgin didn't even like 2c-i.
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And thats exactly why almost all of chapter 35 of PiHKAL (Book 1) is devoted to it?

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*sigh* it sounds to me like this 2CI-is-not-a-proper-psychedelic crap is simply mimicking the Heroin-is-stronger-than-pod tea crap.

Why is 2C-I not a psychedelic, while Iprocetyl is? I find them both very similar in their light-heartedness, but 2C-I is far more mind-involving than Iprocetyl. Perhaps many people have come to see Psychedelic must = LSD or Psilocybin.
 
Church said:
Shulgin didn't even like 2c-i.
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Just out of curiosity, how did you come to this conclusion? No where in PIHKAL did he state this. There are a few less-than-steller reports on 2C-I in book two, but remember these reports are from a lot of people. Few of them are actually written by Shulgin himself. Most are from his research group, with others being taken from the literature. Considering he chose to devote nearly an entire chapter to a trip with 2C-I, I'd say he must of found it somewhat interesting. Moreover, none of us should assume what he (or anyone) likes (or doesn't) without actually hearing it from their mouth.
 
I did 2C-I and 35mg and that seemed to make 2c-I tell me that I was on drugs anything less just made me hallucinate and feel like on ecstacy a lil bit, but when I did do 35mg's wow I was totally tripped out I thought I was on LSD at sum point lol
 
Jamshyd said:
Why is 2C-I not a psychedelic, while Iprocetyl is? I find them both very similar in their light-heartedness, but 2C-I is far more mind-involving than Iprocetyl.
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Well, first of all I don't think iprocetyl is psychedelic, either. Sorry. But iprocetyl is definitely more useful. I mean, I would at least call it an empathogen of sorts. I can see it being useful in therapy. 2C-I just plain sucks, unless you like stimulants that make you see pretty colors. And there's nothing wrong with that if you do.

Perhaps many people have come to see Psychedelic must = LSD or Psilocybin.
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Or perhaps people have forgotten that 'psychedelic' is not a synonym for 'hallucinogen'. And that pisses me off. Just because something makes you hallucinate does NOT mean it's a psychedelic. Psychedelics cause people to put their lives into perspective... to see how infinitesimal we are in the grand scheme of things... to understand the deep connection between every thing in this Universe... and every so often these epiphanies and revelations are accompanied by hallucinations, but guess what? The hallucinations are just side effects.

If you try to tell me that 2C-I has brought on experiences like these, I will tell you you must be lying. And if you aren't lying, then you probably would have had revelatory epiphanies even if you hadn't taken any 2C-I (because they just happen sometimes, you know? With and without drugs!) I'm not trying to be a dick. I know I sound like one sometimes. But I'm only interested in keeping the "truth" behind the meaning of the word psychedelic. If people like hallucinogenic amphetamines, there's nothing wrong with that. I had a blast with ice back in the day (actual ice, not meth). But whenever I had an intense, life-changing experience as a result of any encounters or conversations while under the influence, I didn't start running around telling people how 4-mar is a psychedelic. I just happened to figure some stuff out while I was fucked up.

Also, drinking wine these days causes me to philosophize and emotionalize all sorts of stuff... and I generally feel that I learn from these emotional experiences... but I still do not call wine a psychedelic.
 
Winding Vines said:
Just out of curiosity, how did you come to this conclusion? No where in PIHKAL did he state this... Considering he chose to devote nearly an entire chapter to a trip with 2C-I, I'd say he must of found it somewhat interesting. Moreover, none of us should assume what he (or anyone) likes (or doesn't) without actually hearing it from their mouth.
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Okay, sorry, I don't have a source to prove my opinion that Shulgin didn't think very highly of 2C-I. In fact, my comment about Shulgin not even liking 2C-I was supposed to be funny. (It was to me, anyway... sort of like a 'oh yeah, well, my dad can beat up your dad' kind of comment). I have no clue how shulgin feels about 2C-I. But I know one thing: if you read between the lines you can infer that he didn't hold it in high esteem, the way he did some of his 'magical dozen' compounds, like 2C-E. I'm not saying he beat it with a stick and sent it to its room without any dinner. I'm only saying, read between the lines... nothing magical, or transcendental is hinted at when shulgin speaks of 2C-I.

Apparently there are many 2C-I lovers, and that's fine. I won't tell anyone what they should or shouldn't take into their bodies. But I am personally invested in saving the word "psychedelic" from the bastardization of its meaning.

It irritates me that people refer to anything and everything that induces hallucinations as psychedelic. Call them fucking hallucinogens then!
 
When did I ever mention the words "visuals" or "hallucinations"?

FYI, 2C-I is one of the least visual psychedelics to me. Yet I consider it a fantastic mind-manifesting divice, if you catch my drift... ;)
 
while 2ci really never offered me anything in psychedelia i have seen people blown away by it.
Church you have to remember that your opinion of 2ci may differ from others.
 
2C-I not a Psychedelic

I am sorry I just dont feel it is a Psychedelic. here is why:

1. Not mentally straining like LSD and mushrooms
2. The physical effects were so sensual that made MDMA feel like nothing. (and the senuality makes a hug seem like sex. )
3. the euphoria is great.
4. i have found it to be dance friendly (mostly to house music)

So besides the visuals what makes it a Psychedelic
 
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