Weird occurrences in the REAL world while tripping

[Intoxo]

I think we've all had weird effects or whatever, but the rules of reality are set in stone, so looking for others to verify your fantasy experience is really not a healthy exercise. Empathy communication, the contact high- stuff like that is probably possible. Telekinesis, telepathy, fate through coincidences- desperate gimmicks of an unhinged mind.

 

[DarthMom]

I think we've all had weird effects or whatever, but the rules of reality are set in stone, so looking for others to verify your fantasy experience is really not a healthy exercise. Empathy communication, the contact high- stuff like that is probably possible. Telekinesis, telepathy, fate through coincidences- desperate gimmicks of an unhinged mind.

that is a very nice way of saying those who experience something unusual are insane. and also a very obvious way of saying you haven't experienced something that made you think twice about reality.

 

[fks]

When I used to do mushrooms more frequently, I always saw projections of people on the walls. Everywhere I looked, I could see people. It almost looked like a crowd, but I couldn't make anyone out. They were always the same people, but I could never figure out who they were. I took this as my mind telling me that there are people I am looking for.. they are there and I have seen them, I just don't know who exactly to place in those positions.. who it was I was looking for.

I heard a story from a few kids once about a night on acid. One kid kept freaking out and mostly stayed in the corner the entire night. He kept getting pissed off that everyone was splashing their grapejuice on him. The other kids were like, "Man, we don't have grapejuice.. what are you talking about?"

Well someone had a camera there that night and took a bunch of pictures. When the film was developed, this kid definately had some peculiar purple/reddish stains all over his shirt. No telling if he really just spilled something on himself, but it sure was interesting to hear from a couple different points of view.

 

[Intoxo]

that is a very nice way of saying those who experience something unusual are insane. and also a very obvious way of saying you haven't experienced something that made you think twice about reality.

Well there are degrees of insanity, and I'm not saying that anyone who has experienced the highly unusual is insane- lord knows I have.

I've thought once twice, even three times about reality, and the truth of the matter is that we live in a world with set rules, rules that exclude certain fantasy elements. When a glass magically splits in half, it is a coincidence, or mistreatment, not psy powers. Tripping brings the subconscious dreaming mind to the surface, and dream like series of events can definately merge with the tripper's perception of reality- at least in my case.

But perception and reality are two seperate things, no matter how much 'there is no spoon'. Follow the fate chain of coincidences, and you'll be left dissapointed and confused. Try and duplicate the telekenitic or test the telepathic- It won't happen.

I think a contact high can be duplicated to some extent, and ultra increased empathy can lead to experiences that seem like mind reading but really aren't that remarkable "Its like I knew he wanted me to pass the bowl"

A lot of people visit this forum when they're vulnerable and at some sort of turning point. I think it's absolute folly to steer them towards false magic and, yes, insane nonsense. I urge anyone who has experienced such stuff to test their experience, for science is the magic of our world. Maybe we'll get fantasty magic in the next circle of rebirth, but for now our magicians toil in labs with microscopes petri dishes, sound waves and such. Thats real.

 

[Church]

When a glass magically splits in half, it is a coincidence

Oh yeah? And what are the two coinciding events in this particular example? Just curious...

 

[nanobrain]

^i covered your post in some detail back in the days when i used to write trip reports. one ontopic is called finding beauty in a sea of masks courtesy of Erowid crew.

the other phenomena y'all mention are relate to activation of intercellular radio communication resulting in vibrational projection, which to give an example, has caused me to virtually fry / crash / destroy a series of at least 6 computers and other electronic devices - without as much as physically touching most of them - within just the last 6 months.

witnesses to said events will no longer let me near the vicinity of their sensitive electronics...

 

[Intoxo]

As for the glass splitting in half, either a coincidence, poorly fused glass, or method of setting it down. Could it possibly have been anything different?

As far as nanobrains radio waves, he was probably referring to a porn-dialer or something similar

Seriously, nothing else can be proven. This isn't a TV show or a book, rational explanations are all we've got- I'm not denying the possibilities of a collective unconscious, but I am denying telekenisis.

 

[DarthMom]

Just because something isn't explained yet doesn't mean it won't be soon. Science will one day explain magic some don't understand

and how can you acknowledge a collective unconscious, but deny telekenisis, it seems to me it is the terminology you have a problem with, not the concepts.

 

[Church]

You walk a fine line, Intoxo. What a rigid world you live in!

 

[nanobrain]

rational - by this i assume Intoxo means empirically proven, and thus taken as fact - precludes the notion of progress on the scientific or evolutionary fronts.

what we take as facts may well not be tomorrow, as the fact that the earth was flat - taken as a given for centuries - was not so long ago shown to be a misconception.

 

[PUMA87]

Once the clouds in the sky were arranged as a gigantic smiley face, even those who opted out of taking an eighth of shrooms witnessed. Good times.. haha

 

[Intoxo]

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I totally agree that we may prove our current assumptions false, and I certainly believe there are areas that seem like magic now but will eventually be defined tested and duplicated.

But there have been tons of studies that have tried to prove far-sight, telekenisis, and telepathy, and they have all failed. There are no humans who can turn those fantasies into reality.

As far as the unconscious mind goes, the jury is still out. I think we all know there is a wierd depth there, and science has made only the most tentative probes into that darkness. The connection between the mind and the immune system is mindblowing itself.

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The point I want to make is that the magic humans get is called 'science'. The wizards that toil on spells are actually working equations.

 

[Church]

But there have been tons of studies that have tried to prove far-sight, telekenisis, and telepathy, and they have all failed. There are no humans who can turn those fantasies into reality.

Proof or not, why do you think that the military uses Remote Viewing? Why do you think that law enforcement departments utilise psychics in their investigations sometimes?

Who gives a shit about proof? I just want results.

 

[lucid.tripper]

crows.

man, every time I trip on mushrooms, the crows whereever I'm at, (usually in my girlfriends neighborhood, but it has happened at every place I've taken mushrooms) go CRAZY.

CAWCAWCAWCAW .

And they follow me if I go for a walk... also after a peak experience, like a realization or crazy intense visual, I'll hear/see a crow around.

 

[x2stpsfrmnowhere]

Once my friend was tripping on acid sitting in the passenger seat of the car when the window on his side just shattered.

 

[Intoxo]

Proof or not, why do you think that the military uses Remote Viewing? Why do you think that law enforcement departments utilise psychics in their investigations sometimes?

Who gives a shit about proof? I just want results.

My positionn is that the military doesn't use remote viewing, and psychics don't actually help law enforcement. (tho they may try) Results = proof

lucid tripper has a pretty interesting effect. It's be cool if he got his cellphone to record some movies.

 

[hugo24]

So right,Intoxo.You can't argue laws of physics,no way.If a glass splits,there was a force bigger than its breaking point.

I'm not saying we know all laws of physics (and chemistry,astronomy etc,and yes,psychology),surely not.The scientific world view is per definition an unfinished,developing and open one,but one that wants to find the truth.On all the unknown mysteries of the brain:

I have seen recently a documentation about savants,those in one discipline HIGHLY gifted humans,often autists.If a human brain can find the root of a number with 20 figures within seconds,knows thousands of lexicas from memory,can draw every detail of Rome after one helicopter flight over it,designs optimal cowsheds by excersises of deep empathy with cows etc.,I conclude we terribly underestimate the power of the brain.

Its called sort of brain damage of these autists because they can't handle the rest of their life,and it can even be mimicked (the gift part) by some electrical brain stimulation somewhere on the the left side,or it occured after accidents with brain injury (yeah,on the left side).All the filters necessary for daily funtioning have bee removed,opening the way for some sort of genius gift.A side note:in extremis,the male brain is an autistic one,a systemic brain ("how does it work?").The female brain is an emphatic one ("how does the other feel?"-the cow-shed designer).

Pretty obvious the connection to psychedelics.What I want to say in the light of the above:don't ever underestimate the power of the brain,but theres no need to leave the rational world just because you can't grasp it at the moment.Theres alot going on subconsciously,in your spiritual or higher or whatever Self,the savants prove this.You're just not aware of it most of the time for practical reasons.I mean,seeing things is possible,but its not things which are not here (then you would have lost your mind).Like the animals feeling natural disasters way ahead.

Your conscious ego often has a hard time to interpret things rightly,but this ego is obviously a very incapacitated one,for good reason,but often tends to think its the king.As someone said,consciousness is a PR trick by your subconscious,making you believe you're in charge at least some of the time...

 

[Coolio]

Church, actually all I've ever heard of law enforcement using psychics was as a publicity stunt, in cases where they feel the perpetrator is going to be spooked hearing that a psychic is giving the police clues only the criminal could have known, and make mistakes/confess.

As for remote viewing, it was researched by the CIA for over two decades trying to figure out if it was a viable tool in their intelligence arsenal. The CIA also researched numerous other telepathic/telekenetic ideas.

 

[Tiesto]

only to find that the people I saw merely bore some resemblance to these more familiar faces, and that it was my mind clinging to what it knew, looking for a pattern.

I know exactly what you are talking about. This happens to me so much.

The weirdest "occurence" that I have when tripping on shrooms, is that, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, Me or one of my friend's go on a "hunt" looking for something around the house. And Me/my friend is usually gone for close to an hour before resurfacing... And it is usually a hunt to find the sisscors (cuz we wanna blaze and chop up the weed lol).

 

[Church]

As for remote viewing, it was researched by the CIA for over two decades trying to figure out if it was a viable tool in their intelligence arsenal. The CIA also researched numerous other telepathic/telekenetic ideas.

Yes, and it is still used. I wonder why?