Weightloss

[modern buddha]

<---- thinner than you (167cm 50.4kg)

You could eat ALLLLL those fatty foods and still have a dietary fat deficiency as none of them contain EFAs.
Diagnosis, empty calories.

Anyway I am not argue with you anymore, because you are tall... and male... and imagining hot

Also sorry seems I was wrong about the way Atkins died, but want you to know I didn't pull the heart disease death idea out of my ass, had read it many places, including the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, which I thought of as reliable source.. You know.. Sounds reliable doesn't it? A committe, of physicians who are for responsible medicine...? Anywho.
If you type "How did dr. Atkins die" into google it comes up "renal failure". But then I was able to find a couple saying slipped on ice and head injury on the sidewalk like you said, and then more saying that the fall that killed him was caused by heart attack, so kinda like what I originally thought, lol, fucking internet.
Cause of death, who the fuck knows.
Still don't think it's a healthy way to eat,
and accoding to this death cert I found he was 258lbs when he died, that's FAT, but whateves who knows what's real these days.

Dr. Atkins was 258lbs when he passed because his body retained fluids while he was in a coma after hitting his head on the pavement. His normal weight was just around 200lbs, if I remember correctly.

Moreover, just because you are thinner doesn't necessarily mean you are more healthy. Please don't act like you're better. It won't get you anywhere.

What do you suggest for losing weight?

 

[Libby]

Yeah fair enough, Am trying only to post healthy advice and not let anorexia craziness come out in here for obvious reasons, but guess just like to think of losing weight as at least one thing I can be "best" at in non-AN company, but you're right dick sizing thinness is no help to others (or myself) so I apologise.

As far as my suggestions for (healthily) losing weight I've covered the basics. You just have to keep calorie intake low, and to do it healthily you need to make sure even though you are trying to eat much less food that this does not equate less nutrition. If you find yourself struggling with the idea that being thin is more important than being healthy (and I still do sometimes even though I'm recovered) you may have bigger problems than just losing weight so be aware of that. Anyone heard of CRON? It's a society of people who practise Calorie Restriction with Optimal Nutrition as they believe it increases longevity and overall health, but there really isn't data supporting this belief as it's kinda new and there aren't longterm studies on humans. We are not rats, I don't think it automatically means a lifestyle of low calorie intake will increase human longevity the way it has done with rats.

Nevertheless, the society has the potential to provide great resources for dieters as the emphasis is on eating healthy nutrient dense foods and the programme is designed to be continued forever so they couldn't make the programme difficult to stick to, unlike diet programmes where the emphasis is on losing weight while on a temporary regime where normal healthy eating is to be resumed thereafter (meaning it may call upon a surge of willpower able to be maintained only for a short time and it doesnt need to be completely healthy). With a CRON type programme, you establish eating healthy foods and once you've lost the weight and don't want to lose more it should be fairly easy to just eat a bit more food in keeping with the style of eating you've learnt while on the programme and being just a tad less strict on allowance of occassional treats. With diet programmes, most people who needed to go on them didnt have healthy eating habits to begin with and now that they have suffered through a demanding period of resticted eating, often not just how much energy they take in is restricted but what specific food they eat at what time, they are going to resume their original way of eating with twice the enthusiasm, having learned nothing about food other than that they don' t want to see a half a grapefruit and boiled egg ever again (or whatever depends on programme) And then they are fat again and either give up, OR yo-yo diet like me post-AN never being happy weight for long, OR starve harder leading to obsession then malnutrition, and possibly AN like teenage me.

What I do now is basically "Protect" myself from traps I've fallen into in the past. First drink enough water (as well as providing hydration and helping elimination and moving stored fat, it also protects against hunger), find foods to cover daily nutritional requirements(this is safeguarding against sickness physical and mental and hunger associated with nutrient deficiency) for as little calories as possible(safeguarding against excess energy intake) preferably in larger volumes (this is safeguarding against hunger). That is first priority. If you are too hungry you will either quit or become overly obsessed with food and dieting, if you are malnourished you could get sick, and if you eat too many calories you won't lose/maintain weight.

Second priority is that you enjoy the foods you are eating, sure if you don't like dark green leafy vegetables I reckon you should suck it up and eat them anyway, and if something is so delicious to you that every time you bring it home from the supermarket you can't help but eat all 12 serving in one afternoon I reckon you should not buy that food at all! But overall your food intake should be satisfying. You can find ways to make heathy foods enjoyable and a lot of foods you already enjoy can be improved to make them weightloss efficient. Example, you really like crunchy salty type foods like potato chips. Instead of a bag of chips you could work a few pretzel sticks into your calorie allowance, crunchy and salty but with much less calories. Say you like sweet creamy foods, lets say you love strawberry ripple ice-cream. Instead use frozen mixed berries straight from frezer into blender, you could add a small amount of low-fat ice-cream to get the perfect consistency and the sweetness takes the edge off the tart of the berries. A lot of times these sort of improvements mean the dish doesn't taste quite so good as the original, but this can be a good thing! Especially if you have any tendency toward binging.

If you're a sweets sort of person, it's actually pretty easy. Artificial sweetners and flavour essenses are low in calories, diabetic stores have sugarfree syrups and candies (the thing with sugarfree candy is that even though the calories are reduced, if you binge and eat a whole bag of them you can definitely take in too many calories quite easily. HOWEVER it has an automatic safeguard against this tendency and that is this: excess consumption has a laxitive effect. You may eat the whole bag the first time you buy sugarfree candy, but you will never NEVER do it again, you will learn your lesson, you will learn how to eat 3 pieces of candy and then stop, this is a good lesson).

Also don't be afraid of feeling a little bit of hunger, like I said you want to avoid eating all your calories in a small amount of food because the hunger you'll be left with will wear you down, but if you feel a little bit of hunger, leading to your next meal, or before bedtime, this is OKAY. Don't freak out, it means your body is using up more energy than you are putting into it, and this is what causes your body to use fat stores for energy and make you lose weight. Feeling a little hunger at times means it's working.

Don't eat lunch with fat friends until you have established your new way of eating, it's difficult the first week or two, and if junk food is passed around and offered to you and sitting infront of you and all your fat friends are enjoying it you will probably give in. Once you've built a little confidence in your ability to succeed at sticking to the diet and having lost a couple pounds you know it is working, THEN you may eat lunch with your fat friends, be preparred with healthy foods and enjoy socialising like normal, if it's a special occasion go ahead and have a bite of someones birthday cake (bite not 3 slices), but don't tempt yourself before you're ready.

Don't think that because you did 20minutes aerobic that means you can eat a big mac for a snack,
If you weigh 140lbs for example, 20 mins aerobics you will burn approx 138cal.
A big mac has 491 calories. They don't cancel eachother out. Exercise is good for your heart and muscle tone and health and burns some calories, but don't fall into the trap of thinking that you can eat whatever you want and still lose weight because you are doing some exercise.

 

[Brandasaur]

I lost 30 lbs in just over 2 weeks from moderate/heavy meth use. I wouldnt recommend that though. Lifestyle changes like eating healthier and exercise is where its at.

I'd definitely not recommend it, either! Thank you for your input, though. Hope everything is coming along better for you.

 

[d33pblu3]

forget the flour
forget the fast food
forget the pork
forget the sausages
forget the whole milk
forget the snacks
forget the fat

divide your food in MINIMUM 4 meals a day, do 40 minutes of cardio a day, you can start walking, then trotting, it is not necessary to run just keep your heart rate accelerated.

mentalizing that what you eat is what you are, if you have trouble exercising alone get a friend to accompany you to walk.

if you have some money the gym is always the best option, to lose weight you do not need to stop eating, you need to eat healthy.

if you need some more energy can take some thermogenic, if you need a little help to suppress apetita may try hoodia pills, remember to take the pills as directed on the label, a thermogenic administered incorrect doses or impaired person heart can end in a very ugly, it is always good to take pills before going to a doctor who specializes in sports.

the body needs basically two things, protein and carbohydrates are the two things are looking healthy and be better than ever.



Greetings from Mexico!

 

[Libby]

I lost 30 lbs in just over 2 weeks from moderate/heavy meth use. I wouldnt recommend that tough. Lifestyle changes like eating healthier and exercise is where its at.

Any weight I ever lost from drugs I gained back afterwards, I think you have to do it regularly, like pretty much become an addict, in order to have any weightloss last more than 2 days. I second the "wouldn't recommend it" comment.

 

[deaf eye]

stopped indulging in processed foods, icecream, soda
eating more vegtables and fruit , almonds


then one day out of the week
i eat anything i want
usually saturday

 

[Jabberwocky]

the body needs basically two things, protein and carbohydrates are the two things are looking healthy and be better than ever.

that'd be protein and fat

I think you have to do it regularly, like pretty much become an addict, in order to have any weightloss last more than 2 days. I second the "wouldn't recommend it" comment.

qft

 

[Libby]

All Three Actually.
You need Carbohydrates (and that doesn't mean refined sugar and white flour), Fat, and Protein.

In the US, the typical adult ingests 100 grams of protein every day—roughly four to five times the amount recommended by scientists not affiliated with meat and dairy corporations $$$.

Essential Fatty Acids we've already discussed.

Brain Needs Carbs. Glucose is the form of sugar that travels in your bloodstream to fuel the mitochondrial furnaces responsible for your brain power. Glucose is the only fuel normally used by brain cells. Because neurons cannot store glucose, they depend on the bloodstream to deliver a constant supply of this precious fuel.This blood sugar is obtained from carbohydrates: the starches and sugars you eat in the form of grains and legumes, fruits and vegetables.
Too much sugar or refined carbohydrates at one time, however, can actually deprive your brain of glucose – depleting its energy supply and compromising your brain's power to concentrate, remember, and learn.

Many weightloss plans are low carb, you can LOWER your carbohydrate intake to lose weight, you shouldn't however starve yourself of carbs, they ARE vital to human life

 

[Jabberwocky]

All Three Actually.
You need Carbohydrates (and that doesn't mean refined sugar and white flour), Fat, and Protein.

no, you do not need carbohydrates. the body can make them (gluconeogenesis, for example).
(assuming you did tho, why wouldn't refined sugars fit the bill?)

In the US, the typical adult ingests 100 grams of protein every day—roughly four to five times the amount recommended by scientists not affiliated with meat and dairy corporations $$$.

100g daily is solid for an adult male.
(who the hell are these scientists?! dairy industry conspiracies aside, those scientists are recommending stupid-low protein intakes. as in "so low that it's barely enough for kids past their toddler years". )

Brain Needs Carbs. Glucose is the form of sugar that travels in your bloodstream to fuel the mitochondrial furnaces responsible for your brain power. Glucose is the only fuel normally used by brain cells. Because neurons cannot store glucose, they depend on the bloodstream to deliver a constant supply of this precious fuel.This blood sugar is obtained from carbohydrates: the starches and sugars you eat in the form of grains and legumes, fruits and vegetables.
Too much sugar or refined carbohydrates at one time, however, can actually deprive your brain of glucose – depleting its energy supply and compromising your brain's power to concentrate, remember, and learn.

of course it does but again glucose doesn't have to come from consuming carbohydrates. and plz elaborate on the "too much can deprive brain glucose"

Many weightloss plans are low carb, you can LOWER your carbohydrate intake to lose weight, you shouldn't however starve yourself of carbs, they ARE vital to human life

I hope I'm not coming across too 'anti-carb', since i'm the furthest from it. When looking at weight loss/gain as merely a calorie-balance issue (which it is), then we immediately look at "calories in" and "calories out". When considering 'calories in', approach it by determining needed fats(essential fatty acids), needed proteins (essential amino acids / branched chains), and the target 'calories in' value. whatever is left when essential fats/proteins are subtracted from 'calories in' leaves a balance of calories to be filled. Fill it with carbs, fill it with more protein, fill it with fat; you're simply consuming the difference between "essentials" and your target 'calories in' ((That is NOT to say to just fill the difference with shit, or that it doesn't matter. clearly sweet potatoes are better than skittles and salmon is better than pork. also, we'd be ignoring that "a calorie of protein /= a calorie of fat, wrt net nutritive value" due the metabolic costs of digestion, etc etc ))

tl;dr? figure out weightloss goal. compute that weight into calories. divide those calories through your allotted time period to find daily caloric deficit that is needed. determine what combination of "calories in"(eating) and "calories out"(exercise; living) you will use to achieve proper daily intake. stay healthier by considering proper fats and proteins as priorities in your daily "calories in", don't even consider carbs until your protein/fat intake levels have been achieved. worry not, you will still have room for carbs if your plan wasn't too eager.

 

[Libby]

I think alot of people are confused about carbs.
You know carbs aren't just sugar and breads right? Fruits and vegetables are carbs, and they are 100% necessary. Even if you believe meat consumption to be healthy, you cannot possibly believe eating animal flesh alone is going to provide you with adequate nutrition and there is zero requirement for carbohydrate intake! You are a human being not a cat, and even cats eat certain grasses!

Your body doesn't make carbohydrates, if you take in a very low level of carbohydrate your body will make ketones and run on those instead. There are both advantages and disadvantages to this switch. Our bodies aren't eveolved to be in a constant state of ketosis, we evolved to utilize ketones during short periods of famine.

Do not believe the protein myth, it is based on a study funded by the meat and dairy industry to rats, animals which need 1000 times more protein in their diet than humans.

If you want further information, a good starting point for your own research would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study_(book)

This thread is vering away from 'weightloss tips' and into orthorexic ideals lol. We don't want to leave people thinking it is more complicated to lose weight than it really is, or how is this thread going to help them? energy in < energy out is the basic.

 

[Jabberwocky]

fruits and veggies are necessary, although it's not for their carbohydrates. and yes, the body can make glucose from non-glucose sources.
Also, wrt protein intake, you're simply wrong. an active adult male consuming 20g protein/day is just, well, stupid. it isn't nutritionally sound.
/and ya thread's wayyyy off track, but i'm unsure the OP ever even came back so whatever lol

 

[Libby]

Protein needs vary with age, body-weight, health, lifestyle, and stress levels, as well as diet.

Our bodies compensate for these differences, in maintaining constant protein levels. That's true for vegetarians as well as non-vegetarians.

Nitrogen recycling makes this possible. Excess protein can't be stored; it's either broken down and burned for energy, or stored as fat (extra calories from any source are stored as fat).

When excess protein is burned or stored, the nitrogen is excreted. If you're consuming enough calories, and you don't get enough protein in your diet, your body retains nitrogen to make protein.

How much protein do we need? The nitrogen balance test compares normal daily nitrogen losses (such as sweat, urine, feces, shed skin, lost hair etc.) with intake.

A positive balance means more nitrogen coming in than going out, which means there is tissue growth. A negative balance means that more nitrogen is going out than coming into the body, or more protein is being lost than made by the body. This represents a net loss of body protein.

Here's the unscientific answer to how much protein we need: Do we look good, feel good, maintain optimum weight, and have good muscle tone? Do our hair and nails grow quickly? Do our wounds heal well? Are we generally healthy, and recover quickly from illness? If so, then we must be getting enough protein!

Our protein needs can change dramatically when we're injured or sick. They may double in the short term. The body gets this extra supply mostly from muscle, and it may take a month or more to restore the nutrients used up in the body while it fights off an infection or recovers from injury.

Increased protein needs during pregnancy and breast-feeding are usually met by the extra calories from eating more food.

Because infants and children are growing, they need more protein than adults in proportion to their body weight. Children on a varied, balanced diet usually get enough protein as long as they are getting enough calories. That's an important consideration for vegan children.

Athletes and other physically active people don't need a diet higher in protein than the recommended ratio with fats and carbohydrates. Eating more calories usually supplies the extra protein for building muscle mass. Carbohydrates are better for supplying extra energy for strenuous activity.

Protein and Carbohydrates

Protein needs are related to the amount of carbohydrate in the diet. One of the functions of carbohydrates is to "spare" protein. Non-essential amino acids can be made from glucose, for example. The liver maintains minimum blood sugar levels, and it will break down protein to supply glucose if needed.

For example, brain tissue and red blood cells use 140 to 150 grams of glucose a day. The liver makes sure they get it, either from food, or from converting internal protein to sugar. If there are enough carbohydrates in the diet, there is less need for the liver to make glucose from proteins.

What's the daily protein requirement? The body loses about 0.34 g of protein per kg body weight per day. With a safety margin added, apparently we need .45 g/kg per day of "ideal" protein to replace what's lost.

With safety margins for digestion and protein quality, our protein requirement is about .75g/kg. That's 56 grams of protein for a 70 kg man (160 lb, or an average sized guy). This figure varies widely, depending on where you look.

The variations are not that important since we get enough protein anyway, often way more than enough. So don't worry too much about scientific determinations of adequate protein intake. That way you can avoid having to translate pounds of body weight into kilograms.

Protein Deficiency

There ARE ways to become protein deficient, but it's difficult. One way is not getting enough to eat. In parts of the world where famine is real, we can see people with bloated bellies who are obviously protein deficient. But they don't just lack protein - they lack calories, iron, calcium, vitamins - everything. In other words, they're starving to death.

Another way to become protein deficient is to get almost all of your calories from alcohol and/or sugar. Sugar contains no protein! Hard liquor contains almost no protein. Beer contains very small amounts. If you consume more alcohol or sugar than food, you could become protein deficient.

Another possible cause of protein deficiency is that babies are given foods they can't digest, like cows milk, or inadequate substitutes for breast milk, such as watered down formula, or rice milk.

Breast milk, the ideal food for human babies since humans began, provides 6% of calories as protein - far less than cow's milk, which has 22% of calories as protein.

 

[Jabberwocky]

wayyy too long bra, was there anything contradicting my statement that 20g/day is a low level for an active, adult male?

 

[Libby]

Yes, everything.
0.34g protein per kg, lets say a male weighs 70kg = 23.8g minimum daily protein requirement.
Also if you don't eat enough protein your body can make protein from carbohydrates as long as you as you are eating enough calories.

Athletes and other physically active people don't need a diet higher in protein than the recommended ratio with fats and carbohydrates. Eating more calories usually supplies the extra protein for building muscle mass. Carbohydrates are better for supplying extra energy for strenuous activity.

Have you ever heard of anyone in the developed world having a protein deficiency? (There are certain essential amino acids but they are readily available in a balanced diet such as I have outlined) No because most people are eating too much protein not the other way around, you'd have to be literally starving to death like the world vision children on TV to have a protein deficiency, or be an alcoholic who survives purely on wine and no actual food.

A dieter need only concern themselves with getting a variety of nutrient dense foods to provide the bulk of their intake, it is not necessary to obsessively count every gram or mg of each nutrient in food, ESPECIALLY not with things such as protein which is abundant in even plant foods.

 

[Jabberwocky]

where are you getting such low daily intake as "ok"? I know where you think the bad/lie values come from, but unsure where your low values are from.
(and as for the body just "making protein from carbs", plz elaborate there because that violates a bunch of bio rules afaik)

 

[Mel22]

Agree with bmxxx - 20g of protein definitely isn't anywhere near enough for an adult male!

Libby: I see where you're coming from re: not making dieting too complicated, but I think paying attention to your macronutrient consumption is important and helpful. In fact, it can actually simplify the dieting process IMO, and make it more efficient. Sure, you can diet effectively without doing so, but the more information the better as far as I'm concerned.

I'd MUCH rather count macros than calories!

 

[Jibult]

OP, check your PMs. I sent you a link to, in my opinion, one of the best "free fitness gurus" I've ever managed to come across. Pretty much everything I've read in this thread is discussed in ridiculous detail on his site.

I would've posted the link here to help anyone who might benefit from it, but seeing as how the website does have product recommendations (though they don't sell anything themselves and the recommendations are pretty uncommon) and I feel like that's a grey enough area for my post getting reported and/or edited.

 

[modern buddha]

^ Yes, I understand that. I don't think our bodies need grains anymore, though. I don't think our bodies ever NEEDED grains. Our bodies thrive on fruits, vegetables, plenty of fats and lots of protein.

Also, I'm going to have to re-read The China Study. I have some comparisons to make because their logic may seem foolproof, but I now believe differently from what The China Study portrays as "the healthy diet".

Something is off either with The China Study or The Primal Blueprint. They are basically opposites of each other, but I felt like shit following a low fat, "China Study" diet. Following the "Primal Blueprint" eating, I never have lapses in energy, don't get hungry easily and generally feel much, much better. Not to mention, I'm losing weight for the first time in a couple years.

I'll have to get back to this thread, but my experience tells me that grains aren't helping us live to our highest potential. No matter if you need to lose weight, stay the same weight, or gain weight, eating a diet high in fats and protein and moderate in carbohydrates (all from vegetables and fruits) can benefit you in more ways than just weight management.

I see the China Study as a big "bam, this is what everyone is doing wrong and here's some tests" book. I see The Primal Blueprint as "hey, stop and listen to your body. You feel low on energy? Maybe you're not eating right!"

 

[*samsonite*]

A diabetic diet. Really works

 

[Libby]

where are you getting such low daily intake as "ok"? I know where you think the bad/lie values come from, but unsure where your low values are from.
(and as for the body just "making protein from carbs", plz elaborate there because that violates a bunch of bio rules afaik)

I did elaborate, you said TL; DR so...
Go troll elsewhere, you aren't helping anyone.

SL - It doesn't really matter whether eating paleo or vegan in terms of weightloss, it's possible to lose weight and get adequate nutrients from both ways of eating, obviously my examples are vegan because that's what I believe is healthiest and how I personally choose to eat. Also I don't promote the consumption of a lot of grains. The kind of carbohydrate intake that is really important is fruit and vegetable, personally I do limit grains, practically the only difference between my diet and yours is that the nutrition I am getting from 2 servs of legumes you are getting from meat. I wouldn't say complete opposites at all!

It makes a lot of sense to me that you are in better health having cut out dairy, and eating more naturally with fruits and vegetables and cutting out modern packaged over processed crap. Also lowering (or in your case eliminating completely) grain intake, especially refined sugars and white flour which in addition to being very low in nutrients are full of gluten, lectin, and generally bog up one's system, especially if they have an undiagnosed wheat/gluten allergy or intollerance which I wonder if you have considered as a possibility in your case?

I'm tempted to suggest you try swapping out the meat for 2 servings of legumes a day, but I don't think I'ld be keen on doing the reverse in order to "test out" paleo for myself so it'd be a bit hippocrittical for me to suggest. Do look into it though if you're curious.