Decrimalize, is what i voted, only because i fear the government will rape it like they raped tobbacco (they use goddamn RADIATION to increase tobbaco growth) But on second thought if it was legal i could open a "legal" cannbius buisness which would be pretty awesome!
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Can you explain this to me? Tobbacco companies are seperate from the goverment so how would the goverment being using radiation to grow larger yields? Futhermore could you provide any evidence of tobbacco companies using radiation? If its true though thats why i roll my own with american spirits tabac
Personally I don't think big business would want involved because in many ways herb will still have a stigma attached to it because of decades of anti-drug propaganda and bullshit like the infamous "REEFER MADNESS". The big business will come when the dispensaries aka coffee shops take hold and that will be competition from other dispensaries more than likely. Imagine chain dispensaries set up like Starbucks or McDonald's. Big tobacco will likely stay with what they know.
On a separate note driving stoned is possible but don't do it. Driving under the influence of any substance weed included is not a smart thing to do.
On a separate note driving stoned is possible but don't do it. Driving under the influence of any substance weed included is not a smart thing to do.
chairmanma084
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didn't stop beer, wine & liquor manufacturers from prospering after prohibition.
what about caffeine? sorry to make that wack argument, but seriously smoking while driving or driving high (either) aren't very dangerous. it's way safer than texting & driving or masturbating & driving.
Tobbacco companies are seperate from government, but big corperations and the government these days tend to go hand in hand, i mean tobbacco lobbyist?Corrupt corperations that dont care for your health? (look at the big pharma industry, most of those drugs are horrible for you!) as for the radiation.
Look up polonium-210 in ciggerettes, and even if not all prerolled ciggerettes contain that, all pre-rolled ciggies DO contain added formalhydrate AND benzene, you CANNOT tell me otherwise because im reading it off my pack of players regular right now! They add these to preserve the tobbaco, make it last longer, just like all that bad food with body harming preservities that dont need to be there, its basicly the same thing!
This is true but it also wasn't seen as horrible by the vast majority. Also prohibition only lasted 13 years at which time the U.S. legally liquored right back up.
This is true but caffeine isn't considered detrimental by mainstream society and therefore big business took over. I'm not saying it won't happen but i see it more at the dispensary level as chains like Starbucks.
All valid points here but your still impaired and if you do end up in an accident it and your stoned or even kinda high well it's considered your fault just like if your drunk according to the law.
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a. weed is seen as horrible? good point about the duration of prohibition. the US does have a long standing boner for prosecuting cannabis-related infractions.
b. does it matter if something is seen as detrimental to society for it to be bad to engage in while driving? society isn't the judge of whether or not something is safe to do while driving. i'd like to think that research is.
c. i can't disagree with your point whatsoever. but it is bullshit overall that you could be blood tested for THC after a car accident.
- it reminds me of a statistic i heard no the radio the other day about how something like 33% of all fatal car accidents involve one driver having smoked weed. i have no idea how those statistics were compiled or swayed to fit their purpose.
i honestly think that this notion is dying off with the generation that started it. younger people have widely experience smoking pot and know the true consequences. often, it's the people who have not experience getting high on cannabis (religious fundamentalists i think...I blame everything on them really) that develop and perpetuate these biases against it.
toa$t
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how about if someone wants to go out an snort lines until they get addicted, can't keep a job and then starts stealing from their friends and family (not to mention the burden on our health care system)? Sure, I understand the whole "it's your body, do what you want with it" line of reasoning (although I don't agree with it), but in many cases, drug use affects many, many people other than the user. Drawing the line at "things you can ingest" doesn't seem rational.
In this case, however, I think pot is reasonably benign. go legal. re: regulation, the above poster who said something about not underestimating the laziness of your average person (pothead) had it right.
Legalization and regulation would take care of the crime issue. If the drug was legal and available at a low price, crime goes away; no need to steal to get the money. Keith Richards used to say he never had a problem with drugs, he just had a problem with the police. Addiction is a health issue, not a criminal one. Prohibition laws make it a legal issue, nothing else.
Also, let's never forget, the criminal justice system is here to protect us from OTHERS not ourselves. There are laws already in existence to handle to driving while high, stealing, etc. issues.
Changing the mind set that someone (The Government) knows what is best for you is a hard one for many people to grasp. Personal freedom is the real issue...
toa$t
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do you really believe that? I'm not in a position to make a case in the other direction, but my intuition certainly goes the other way. I can guarantee I would not be where I am today if there was cheap, legal heroin available on every corner. unfortunately, not every gets to be a rock star like Keith Richards. some of us have to be lawyers and doctors and firefighters. while blanket legalization might reduce the crime rate (and I grant that it might actually do so even if we leave the reduction that automatically results from legalizing something that was formerly legal), it would certainly result in a heck of a lot more people doing a heck of a lot more drugs. I think that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, but I admittedly don't have any empirical evidence of that. Just look how ineffective our current addiction treatments are.
that's not true at all! I am addicted to alcohol. I get in my car and accidentally kill someone. Sounds like a criminal issue to me.
I think this a very strong argument in favour of legalization, and I am not sure I have a good reply (although your comment that the justice system is to protect us from others, not ourselves, is not entirely true). However, the enforcement of these laws just becomes that much more difficult. I think that, together with the effects of rampant addiction (which you have to admit would be an issue), weighs pretty heavily against blanket legalization.
Changing the mind set that someone (The Government) knows what is best for you is a hard one for many people to grasp. Personal freedom is the real issue...
I'm not saying the government knows best. they certainly know better than most people do though. you probably believe this too, unless you are an anarchist. anyway, if you value freedom over happiness, power to you. Sure, they aren't mutually exclusive, but I'm all for giving up a few freedoms to keep me happy.
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Killing someone is the crime there, not your addiction to alcohol......
toa$t
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but for my alcohol addiction, I would not have gotten drunk and driven my car. the addiction sounds pretty central to the issue to me. you're essentially making a 'guns don't kill people...' argument
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I understand how lobbying in Washington works, but it isnt the goverment extending control over the corporations. Its the corporations influencing the goverment.
But anyways i hand roll my ciggs using american spirits bagged tabac. So hopefully im avoiding some of the additives. I do believe the carncinogens are natural though, goodamn
I understand how lobbying in Washington works, but it isnt the goverment extending control over the corporations. Its the corporations influencing the goverment.
But anyways i hand roll my ciggs using american spirits bagged tabac. So hopefully im avoiding some of the additives. I do believe the carncinogens are natural though, goodamn
being addicted to alcohol isn't the same as being addicted to alcohol and driving a car- and killing another person.
car ignitions with built-in breathalizers. lols
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toa$t
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owning a gun and shooting someone is not the same thing either. but do you think there are more or fewer shootings in places where guns are legal?
your don't drink guns and ride bullets.
that doesn't even matter.
its the people with the illegal guns killing people.
ps you look happy in your picture.
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maybe his alcoholism increases his chances of drunk driving altogether. being drunk may be positively related to frequency of driving while intoxicated.
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def could work to someone's advantage but honestly i think i've heard phillip morris already has brought the rights to sell cannabis J's in cig packs & as known radiation in cigs so this is the last thing i'd want. They'd make it all super indica & suck ass. They dont give a fuck about the quality. Tobacco is radiation & than it gets hit with mad additives.
IF YOU LIVE IN NJ CONTACT REPS WITHIN 2 DAYS TO TELL THEM YOU DONT WANT BIG PHARMA OVER SEEEING UR MEDICAL BUDS BEING PRODUCED & WOULD MUCH RATHER GROW YOURSELF. Their damn pharmaceutical lobbiest fuked up the medical bill so they get to grow it..