Weed and Meditation

[Artificial Emotion]

Well cannabis has a long history of use in meditation. Cannabis use is one the core tenets of many religions such as the rastafari movement for example (that's one of the more obvious ones but there are others).

I find smoking small amounts makes it easier to reach a meditative state than larger doses but ymmv of course.

There's a free course that you can go on where you spend a couple of weeks or so learning to meditate for 10 hours a day. I can't remember what it's called off the top of my head but I was thinking of trying it out, even though it's pretty hardcore. You only live once though. I first heard about it on the Dope Cast podcast.

 

[onetwo]

Yeah, personally, weed isn't even close there. Need some psychedelics.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Well cannabis has a long history of use in meditation.

source this please

 

[Artificial Emotion]

^by your 'source this' demand I take it you're saying this is incorrect? Because as far as I'm concerned it's pretty much common knowledge. But if you want more information try reading up on the various spiritual texts, including the Buddhist Tara Tantra which list cannabis as an aide to meditation and spiritual practice. Never heard of a sadhu? Cannabis has transcended culture and religion for thousands of years so in my personal opinion it's hardly surprising this is the case.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

has previously accused me of having multiple accounts lol

lol that old chestnut.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Well cannabis has a long history of use in meditation.

I don't think its ridiculous to ask for a source given that many people say they don't mesh well, this and ^that pretty much conflict. Do you have one or not?

 

[Artificial Emotion]

I don't think its ridiculous to ask for a source given that many people say they don't mesh well, this and ^that pretty much conflict

No, it's not ridiculous. However I do think it's unwise to conclude that it can't be an aid to meditation merely because you and your friends don't find it works for yourselves personally. Since it's pretty much common knowledge I just found it a surprising thing to ask, that's all. The way you phrased it it just seemed a bit dismissive.

Do you have one or not?

I gave you a 'source' here:

^by you're 'source this' demand I take it you're saying this is incorrect? Because as far as I'm concerned it's pretty much common knowledge. But if you want more information try reading up on the various spiritual texts, including the Buddhist Tara Tantra which list cannabis as an aide to meditation and spiritual practice. Never heard of a sadhu? Cannabis has transcended culture and religion for thousands of years so in my personal opinion it's hardly surprising this is the case.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Merely because many people in this thread, apart from the troll, and in addition to the people I've talked to over the years, seem to think so.

By a "long history of use in meditation" you meant its listing in the Tara Tantra? I just was hoping there might be more and that you could provide a reputable internet source.

Also, I'm not demanding.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

I'm not really aware of any sites that you wouldn't find yourself on Google, so to be honest I don't think I can be of much help.

 

[samm2]

Shifts in awareness can be useful in meditation, weed can cause these shifts in awareness, which by the way are what can cause anxiety in some people(they can't handle having their cage rattled)

Sounds/music also can do this

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

I'm not really aware of any sites that you wouldn't find yourself on Google, so to be honest I don't think I can be of much help.

Maybe I would if it was up to me to prove your point.

 

[Crashing]

Maybe I would if it was up to me to prove your point.

lol!

 

[Artificial Emotion]

Maybe I would if it was up to me to prove your point.

Maybe you should do your own research instead of expecting others to spoon feed you, you're obviously incapable of spending 30 seconds on Google otherwise you would see that you're way off the mark. I'm not going to argue with someone so ignorant so I'll leave it at that.

And by the way, yes, you are demanding.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

I'm sorry if my ignorance has gotten to the point where I expect others to back up their contentions. Silly, demanding me. Oh yeah, obviously incapable.

And I still don't understand why you insist on turning this argumentative.

Does anyone agree with this poster? I'm interested.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

I've already given you some information about its use as a meditative aid, now I'm sorry but if you want specific websites then find them yourself. I'm not your gopher.

I find it ironic that you're expecting me to 'back up my contention' when you're basing your whole position on the fact that you and your mates don't find it helps you meditate. If you want people to take you seriously then you provide some evidence of your own instead of irrelevant anecdotes.

Does anyone agree with this poster? I'm interested.

Argumentum ad populum.

 

[itsshaggy]

Mediation of the body while stoned, doesn't seem to happen with me, but weed gives me motivation to finish tasks it works like a treat
but when saying this again it depends on the strain

 

[Roger&Me]

Maybe you should do your own research instead of expecting others to spoon feed you

The burden of proof always lies on the person making the claim.

Not that I think you'll find any legitimate research supporting either side of this claim. If any exists, I would be interested in seeing it.

(I am neutral on this issue just fyi, I'm not trying to make a point either way)

 

[Artificial Emotion]

The burden of proof always lies on the person making the claim.

Not that I think you'll find any legitimate research supporting either side of this claim. If any exists, I would be interested in seeing it.

(I am neutral on this issue just fyi, I'm not trying to make a point either way)

The burden shifts between both parties engaging in the debate. If he were to fulfill his side of the bargain then I would be happy to post links to some websites to go with the information I've already given him to point him in the right direction. Otherwise he can do that if he really wants the info.

 

[samm2]

Mediation of the body while stoned, doesn't seem to happen with me, but weed gives me motivation to finish tasks it works like a treat
but when saying this again it depends on the strain

you mean something like this?

"What, Bhikkhus, is the path of Right Mindfulness? In this Teaching, a Bhikkhu dwells contemplating on the body (material aggregates), which is impermanent, painful, uncontrollable, ugly, unpleasant, perceiving it merely as impermanent, painful, uncontrollable, ugly, unpleasant corporeality or material aggregates. To perceive thus, he dwells intensely ardent, mindful and rightly comprehending, having overcome covetousness and grief (domanassa) for the world of corporeality or the world of the five aggregates; such covetousness and grief on them are liable to arise unless rightly comprehended.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Quite a bit to respond to. Wasn't expecting this but oh well.

I've already given you some information about its use as a meditative aid, now I'm sorry but if you want specific websites then find them yourself. I'm not your gopher.

I find it ironic that you're expecting me to 'back up my contention' when you're basing your whole position on the fact that you and your mates don't find it helps you meditate. If you want people to take you seriously then you provide some evidence of your own instead of irrelevant anecdotes.
Argumentum ad populum.

You mean you don't care enough to back up your point.

Every person I've met and talked about it with, exactly (n=35 or so). Given that Cannabis throws the mind in motion (where meditation seeks to observe and then quiet it), that it has the same general effect on thoughts and sensations with most people (notwithstanding those who have bad and good experiences) I do take these anecdotes as somewhat substantial.

Not the right place to call me on a fallacy. You assumed I would take the anecdotes of others as evident points in themselves when I would mostly just hope they have sources8) (though would add them to the many people I've met who concur).

I agree with Artificial Emotion, but that is not the point...

Here are some sources:

Sadhus

A Site Dedicated to Meditation On Marijuana

Rastafari

There's a whole book on the subject

Jesus, you'd think Ho-Chi would have heard about Bob Marley...

What is meditation anyway? For fuck's sake, I mean really... just because you and your friends have this warped and ignorant sense of meditation does not mean cannabis cannot be used to facilitate it...

So Ho-Chi, could you please source us that cannabis has never, ever been used in meditation? lmfao...

I really hate this quasi-academic approach that's going on here... this is a drug forum, and you're hardly Mr. Shulgin...

Wikipedia is not a good source; that's quasi-academic. The book looks mostly about how to enjoy your high best. And the marijaunameditation site is kind of sketchy, too. Thanks for the sources anyways.

Again, not just me and my friends.

And that burden shifts between both parties engaging in the debate. If he were to reciprocate with any meaningful evidence to back up his claim then I would be happy to post links to some websites to go with the information I've already given him to point him in the right direction. Given the context of his thread asking for info I'm fine with what I've said and I don't feel the need to post links to websites for him. He can do that if he really wants the info. If the original post was inviting a debate it would different.

You ask for my evidence to evade giving your own.