We want our MDA/Speed/MDEA/MDMA mix pills back NOW/MDMA isn't MDMA bollocks

[nomy]

Just a gentle bump to bring this thread to the attention of the flat earth society/MDMA denialists, and keep the sceptics in one safe environment where they can bring each other down and not the rest of us.

Oh, and MDMAhead, you said this in the other happier thread:

all of these kids in EADD can tell me there's loads of good pills going around. But until I see it with my own eyes (i.e. until I start seeing loved-up people in clubs), I don't beleive it.

I ain't a kid mate. There appears to be increasingly good pills now, speak to MOP. But there is certainly plenty of good crystal around. Either your receptors are totally shot, you are one of life's unlucky ones, or you are dead. Good luck in your search though ....have you tried any of the new pills or crystal, or are you still basing your opinion on last years MD?

 

[pothole]

Like the new title change.

 

[ecsplosiv]

Just a gentle bump to bring this thread to the attention of the flat earth society/MDMA denialists, and keep the sceptics in one safe environment where they can bring each other down and not the rest of us.

This is epic

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Denialism is choosing to deny reality as a way to avoid an uncomfortable truth:[1] "[it] is the refusal to accept an empirically verifiable reality. It is an essentially irrational action that withholds validation of a historical experience or event".[2] In science, denialism has been defined as the rejection of basic concepts that are undisputed and well-supported parts of the scientific consensus on a topic in favor of ideas that are both radical and controversial.[3]

 

[MDMAhead]

I ain't a kid mate. There appears to be increasingly good pills now, speak to MOP. But there is certainly plenty of good crystal around. Either your receptors are totally shot, you are one of life's unlucky ones, or you are dead.

Gee I guess me and the other 1500 people in the club I was at 2 weekends ago must all just be really unlucky. Or dead.

 

[nomy]

^^So your receptors are not shot? What pills/crystal have you tried recently? I've not heard you commenting on anything specific, just your usual dismissive comments. Like I said above, I'd like to know if your blanket opinion is based on just a small sample you had from last year.

Like I said on the other thread just, have you been to Illuminaughty down your way?

 

[o-o-oscar]

there has been alot of discussion whether the mdma/pills have been better than before the 2009 drought...well before the drought in the summer of 2008 i tried crystal for the first time, did it 4 times and it was absolutely the most euphoric bliss feeling ive ever had..jst INCREDIBLE!! i didnt do it after this due to the drought and was sold complete shite instead until the begining of 2010 real crystal came back out...this crystal had a greenish tinge to it and it was nothing like wat it was before...(i cant have lost the magic if i had only done it 4 times and had a year gap) it made u roll but during the roll i felt it could have been so much better and on the previous experiences it couldnt have felt any better!! anyway this greenish crystal absolutely stunk and i noticed that the pre drought crystal tasted far worse and didnt have much of a smell. i havnt had any experiences with real md pills but ive noticed that within the past couple of months the crystal is massively improving (doesnt have much of a smell) and is far more euphoric that the stuff from last year (almost perfect)..is anyone else experiencing this??

 

[MDMAhead]

What pills/crystal have you tried recently? I've not heard you commenting on anything specific, just your usual dismissive comments.

On NYE, I went clubbing in Manchester, and took some 'MDMA crystal' that I'd bought beforehand. It was absolute garbage, and gave me no euphoria whatsoever, and I almost fell asleep on it. But then a few hours later, I managed to buy a pill called a 'Spinning top' off a girl in the club - I'm guessing this is just another name for the diamonds, although I'm not sure what colour it was (it was dark in the club, and I couldn't be arsed going to the toilet to get a proper look at it). Anyway, this pill was actually pretty good - not as good as the smileys from 2009 - but still far better than any of the other pills I had during 2010.

- A few months before that, I had some pink diamonds, that were utter garbage. But this diamond/spinning top I had on NYE was far better. Infact, it actually gave me a little hope that maybe real pills are starting to come back.

But then a couple of weekends ago I went to a big club in Manchester, and I did not see a single person who looked like they were high on MDMA (needless to say the pill I bought in there - a 'white mitsubishi' - was complete shit). I didn't see anyone hugging each other. I didn't see anyone giving massages. The seating areas were unfriendly and antisocial. The people on the dancefloor were all very reserved. And I didn't see a single person with an ecstasy-smile on their face. And given that this was a 1500-capacity club, this tells me that real MDMA pills are still incredibly rare.

Like I said above, I'd like to know if your blanket opinion is based on just a small sample you had from last year.

I had several of the 'super pills' in 2010, and I thought they were all garbage, despite the fact that most people in EADD thought they were amazing. But my 'blanket opinion' of the current state of UK pills is based on my last clubbing experience (see above). The club I went to is a large club, with a reputation for quality house and techno. If no one in there was on ecstasy, then that tells me a lot about the current state of UK pills and crystal.

Like I said on the other thread just, have you been to Illuminaughty down your way?

No, because I don't like psytrance.

 

[nomy]

I just think you've been bloody unlucky mate. The crystal may have been the greenish stuff from mid last year...were you able to smell it at all? The best stuff seems to have very little odour unlike the first batch that arrived mid last year which was gash and a little oily. There also seems to have been a few batches of the diamonds. The first batch I had was ok. Just that, nothing special, but it just seemed low dose MD to me. But then there was another batch that seemed complete shite. Maybe this would explain the different reactions you felt? The white mitsubishi needs no introduction.

Don't give up man, it is out there. I mean you only have to listen to Mop who was the biggest sceptic out there. He's a lot happier with both pills and crystal. Anyway, take heart from the fact you felt something like the old buzz from that spinning top/diamond. See...it is there

Shame you don't like psytrance though. That seems one triptastic place to be

 

[jancrow]

I just saw this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12480310 and I wonder if it has, like, tons of bearing on the 'these pills are not as good as they used to be' business. If nothing else, well, it says a lot about user's mindset affecting the subjective effect of drugs.

'A patient's belief that a drug will not work can become a self fulfilling prophecy, according to researchers.'

 

[dee_dee]

yeah true to a degree janrow, respect to you, but in my case ive had something that does work how its ment to, so theres nothign wrong with my brain im afraid as much as people would like to think, the rest ive tried is mere party pills and weird crystal dodgy experiment crap that feels very different to what it should, but it is mdma.

this thread i thought was about how mdma dosnt feel like it should or not good enough, not whether people are imaging things, all in the aid of harm reduction of course, quite a valid important harm reduction point actually, synthetic drugs made in a lab from different ingredients than they were ment to and not feeling like there ment to, could even be quite dangerous

 

[dee_dee]

On NYE, I went clubbing in Manchester, and took some 'MDMA crystal' that I'd bought beforehand. It was absolute garbage, and gave me no euphoria whatsoever, and I almost fell asleep on it. But then a few hours later, I managed to buy a pill called a 'Spinning top' off a girl in the club - I'm guessing this is just another name for the diamonds, although I'm not sure what colour it was (it was dark in the club, and I couldn't be arsed going to the toilet to get a proper look at it). Anyway, this pill was actually pretty good - not as good as the smileys from 2009 - but still far better than any of the other pills I had during 2010.

- A few months before that, I had some pink diamonds, that were utter garbage. But this diamond/spinning top I had on NYE was far better. Infact, it actually gave me a little hope that maybe real pills are starting to come back.

But then a couple of weekends ago I went to a big club in Manchester, and I did not see a single person who looked like they were high on MDMA (needless to say the pill I bought in there - a 'white mitsubishi' - was complete shit). I didn't see anyone hugging each other. I didn't see anyone giving massages. The seating areas were unfriendly and antisocial. The people on the dancefloor were all very reserved. And I didn't see a single person with an ecstasy-smile on their face. And given that this was a 1500-capacity club, this tells me that real MDMA pills are still incredibly rare.






I had several of the 'super pills' in 2010, and I thought they were all garbage, despite the fact that most people in EADD thought they were amazing. But my 'blanket opinion' of the current state of UK pills is based on my last clubbing experience (see above). The club I went to is a large club, with a reputation for quality house and techno. If no one in there was on ecstasy, then that tells me a lot about the current state of UK pills and crystal.






No, because I don't like psytrance.

most ive tried is crap mdmamead agreed, all these new sinister synth methods and ingredients etc if u ask me, but it is reminscent of the 90's to be fair, u just gotta keep trying, the yellow crystal blew me away back to 1989, seriously, and im sure there must be one or two other things out there.

a mate of mine whos very experienced cant champion the route 66's cause enough, and i completley trust him, so maybe something else to look out for also

it really is hit and miss and pot luck, we could also be accustomed to it being made certain ways as well, its always a possibility. as for feeling loved up i agree, they just look like empty shells with no soul on it, not like years ago, but cest la vie, it is mdma though. some of the synths are very odd, but that crystal i had was loved upto the max, just keep trying you may stumble across something by chance when you least expect it

 

[MDMAhead]

I just think you've been bloody unlucky mate. The crystal may have been the greenish stuff from mid last year...were you able to smell it at all?

The garbage crystal I had on NYE had a golden tinge to it, and it stank of liquorice. I am staggerred that anyone could possibly think this stuff is MDMA, but there clearly are people who do (including my dealer).

 

[dee_dee]

the stuff i had was completley bright flourscent yellow, shocking in fact, dont recall any smell, but theres so many crystals out there to try. problem is a couple ive tried people cant rate enough but they are just trashy of the highest order imo. most look like nervous wrecks on them, not even happy, but people are saying there happy its whatever really, and if your dealer isnt as experienced as you, find someone else, thats about the best tips i can give you.

me buying mdma from somone whos been doing it half my age for a couple of years witha test kit doesnt quite cut the mustard for me anymore, cause most of the stuff is average, to piss poor, to bordering on plain weird

 

[Mailmonkey]

But then a couple of weekends ago I went to a big club in Manchester, and I did not see a single person who looked like they were high on MDMA (needless to say the pill I bought in there - a 'white mitsubishi' - was complete shit)

You clearly have enough experience, and surely the associated contacts to source some pills before you go out somehere.

What do you expect of a white mitsubishi bought in a club?

And if you and your group of mates had sourced something decent beforehand, if wouldn't really have matterd to much that not everyon was on your vibe, sure it would have been better, but a group of you loved up and doing yor thing on the dancefloor would be better than the night you had.

 

[dee_dee]

in fact here you go md head, str8 from wvw, he reckons the route 66 and the blue diamonds are of an old skool organic flavour, maybe hunt those out and see how you get on, its at the bottom of this page on pr

you never no, you may just discover that all important missing link

blue diamonds coming out in a new 130mg version to apprently, may be intersting.

hope thats of some help

http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=25002#comments

 

[nomy]

The garbage crystal I had on NYE had a golden tinge to it, and it stank of liquorice. I am staggerred that anyone could possibly think this stuff is MDMA, but there clearly are people who do (including my dealer).

Yeah, thats the gash from last summer I think.

 

[Evad]

the stuff i had was completley bright flourscent yellow, shocking in fact, dont recall any smell, but theres so many crystals out there to try. problem is a couple ive tried people cant rate enough but they are just trashy of the highest order imo. most look like nervous wrecks on them, not even happy, but people are saying there happy its whatever really, and if your dealer isnt as experienced as you, find someone else, thats about the best tips i can give you.

me buying mdma from somone whos been doing it half my age for a couple of years witha test kit doesnt quite cut the mustard for me anymore, cause most of the stuff is average, to piss poor, to bordering on plain weird

you have said recently you have had very few experiences buying/trying different batches of MDMA/pills. You are now making out like it's many more ie. straight out lying to try and backup your extremely weak argument. do you have nothing else to talk about, seriously?

You clearly have enough experience, and surely the associated contacts to source some pills before you go out somehere.

What do you expect of a white mitsubishi bought in a club?

There hasn't been good mitsis in years, and they're a very common/ piperazine maybe MDMAHead's negative perception of the atmosphere at the club was altered by the fact he was on piperazines, known to have ruined many a good night out. I really can't understand why if he's so picky about actual (lab tested) MDMA and can source it he would go out on the pips (drunken decision by any chance MDMAhead?). The drought is not fully rectified in all of the UK. Bristol is awash with good crystal while there still seems to be barely any in Newcastle (good pills available though whereas I can only really source crystal in Brizzle).

in fact here you go md head, str8 from wvw, he reckons the route 66 and the blue diamonds are of an old skool organic flavour, maybe hunt those out and see how you get on, its at the bottom of this page on pr

you never no, you may just discover that all important missing link

blue diamonds coming out in a new 130mg version to apprently, may be intersting.

hope thats of some help

http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=25002#comments

Old school organic? Come on now you have to be trolling. I thought you were going to get bluelight closed down, what happened to that?

The drought has had an effect of making MDMA less popular overall with people becoming (rightfully) wary of both pills and crystal after the piperazine years. I'd say MDMA (though available at good quality) has slipped down the list of preferred clubbing drugs. I also know plenty of people who would never pay £10 for a pill and would rather have 10 pip pills . When I'm out clubbing now I generally stick with a bit of speed, keeps me going without getting too messy and I find the physical tiredness and dopamine crash a lot easier to cope with than a serotonin raping these days.

 

[dee_dee]

very true, most my scenes on gbl and mepehdrone, quite a combination.

cant blame anyone for not trusting md anything anymore tbh, and of course i havet tried everything evad, that would be completley inpractical, and highly irresponsible. not to mention completley unreliable for making my mind up if anythings actually decent or not, if i was dropping shit left right and centre every weekend and or mixing it up.

ive never doubted there has to be good stuff around, if i told u i can feel different synth methods or ingredients or whatever it is, shoddy workmanship when i take it, and may even likely relate my early experiences of using mdma to specific methods of production, youd only pull the science chart out again so its a pointless exercise ey

 

[illuz1oN]

Yeah, I can't find any crystal in Newcastle, but the route66s are back!

 

[Evad]

very true, most my scenes on gbl and mepehdrone, quite a combination.

cant blame anyone for not trusting md anything anymore tbh, and of course i havet tried everything evad, that would be completley inpractical, and highly irresponsible. not to mention completley unreliable for making my mind up if anythings actually decent or not, if i was dropping shit left right and centre every weekend and or mixing it up.

ive never doubted there has to be good stuff around, if i told u i can feel different synth methods or ingredients or whatever it is, shoddy workmanship when i take it, and may even likely relate my early experiences of using mdma to specific methods of production, youd only pull the science chart out again so its a pointless exercise ey

The problem is you have no idea which mdma you have had has been made using which routes. Both the safrole synth and pmk synth routes can share common intermediate steps at which point the starting product is no longer relevant. It is possible to produce very pure or very impure mdma via any of these routes.

Your complete dismissal of "science" is absolutely baffling, you treat it as it's some kind of voodoo witch magic, is this just because of your lack of understanding of the basic principles?