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Way to avoid taking fake lsd?

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A friend of mine took a cube that he thought was lsd. He said his trip lasted 24 hours+ and I knew he wasn't taking lsd. We all know that you could identify fake lsd when you get strong bitter taste, chemical taste, etc... on blotters.

Just wondering let's say I have a blotter which I want it to be lsd. I put the blotter on my tongue and get a strong chemical taste. At this point I know it isn't lsd, so can't i just spit the blotter out instantly and avoid the fake lsd trip.

Even another way would be try to lick the blotter and get a non lsd taste and just not take it?

just don't know if these are legit ways to avoid lsd or would it be too late once you realize it even though you can realize taste in just less than 2 seconds.
 
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I would guess a low dose DOx compound.

LSD glows under blacklight, many other compounds do not.

Ehrlich reagent would be the chemical method I would use to check for LSD.
 
The best way is to use a Marquis test. Other things I have seen on "ion exchange blotter": 5-MeO-DiPT, 25x-NBOMe, 2-DPMP (desoxypipradol), phenazepam. There can be literally anything... Like you said, a strong chemical taste is probably the best evidence, but don't mistake it for the bitterness of e.g. inks or solvent residue on the paper.

Sometimes the blotter paper itself can glow due to e.g. optical brighteners added when the paper is made. UV glow is not neccesarily a positive indicator of LSD, but if the paper does not glow then there is very likely no LSD there.

Other precautions: take one blotter on your first trip and don't take more even if you don't feel anything. DOx can take 2+ hours to hit.
Trust your source.
 
the best way to avoid these types of things is to not buy anything from people you don't know/trust. Reagents are probably the second best route. Taste is highly unreliable.
 
DOx compounds will turn Marquis green IIRC. Wouldn't using a blacklight degrade the LSD somewhat?

sekio, does "ion-exchange blotter" actually refer to something other than ordinary blotter paper or is it just pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo?
 
Vader said:
DOx compounds will turn Marquis green IIRC. Wouldn't using a blacklight degrade the LSD somewhat?

sekio, does "ion-exchange blotter" actually refer to something other than ordinary blotter paper or is it just pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo?
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Depends on the wavelength of the light, household black-lights are much less powerful than the sort of light that will break your DNA into a bunch of pieces, cause sun burn rapidly, etc...

Shining a powerful UV light source into water that will destroy bacteria and parasites to a level of being safe to drink in the course of minutes o your acid might impact it if you left it for a while.

Household blacklights emit light on the very edge of our visible color spectrum, wavelengths are short and much less detrimental in general than sunlight.

Normally you wouldn't even be able to see ultraviolet light, you see the visible spectrum that acompanies it, the fact your seeing the light from a blacklight is just due to seeing the edge of the visible spectrum because the glass leaves a moderatly small window for low energy UV to pass while blocking higher energy UV and the visible spectrum. I would consider the sun to be more detrimental in most cases our ozone protects us from most of the radiation we get from space though.

A bottle of potent L tends to glow violently and noticeably. Bong water glows lightly, acid more on the level of intensely green florescence.
 
LSD has a different color glow than just plain paper.

If you really want to be sure, put your blotter paper in some distilled water (very little, and not tap water) and then see if the solution glows under blacklight.

If all's well just down the liquid and paper together.

Marquis reagent is also a good way of distinguishing ergoline alkaloids from DOX. You may not be able to tell which DOX you have but you will get a very different color than the olive/black colored LSD reaction from the reagent.
 
Seriously though, what concentration of acid is needed to make that solution glow? I had my doubts about being able to tell the difference between the paper glowing or the LSD, I realized the paper is less likely to glow since - hopefully - it is not chlorinated / bleached... :D But if you say out of personal experience that you can tell that way I am ready to assume that from ya. Still, for people who are in the dark (no pun intended...) about their blotter, it is not useful until they have a verified acid blotter as comparison reference, and even then I wonder if the different print on them can mess comparison up.

EZ tests that can be ordered are your best bet I guess, which do contain Ehrlich reagent I believe or was it a 'modified' Ehrlich reagent? I seem to recall something about that, vaguely.

Unfortunately a group of people are I think likely to not want to afford the test/reagent, until they have a first-hand or second-hand experience with a potent phenethylamine on blotter or 5-MeO-aMT or something. My reason to worry about that is the same reason people openly admit in the scale thread that they do not want to afford a scale despite the fact that it is not more expensive than a gram of your average dope(K, M, whatever).

By the way I never heard about phenazepam being taken accidentally instead of acid. Just thought of that, but maybe it does happen and it is a question of time when more and more potent compounds other than acid are found on blotter, and have somewhere along the way been intentionally or unintentionally advertised as something different. Probably most often intentionally which explains why phenazepam does not come into the picture that often. Or JWH-018.
 
I should clarify what I mean by from personal experience...

I've held blank blotter (from the Radiohead King of Limbs vinyl) and "LSD" blotter under a light next to each other and noticed a distinct difference. I also was looking at the back side of the blotter, not the front with the design. I can see if my camera can capture it, but I don't know how well photographing blacklight fluorescence works.

Granted it may just be that the two types of blotter fluoresce different colors, but I'm no expert on the properties of paper.

The active blotter matches what I've come to accept as LSD, but without GCMS or some other analytical machinery who really knows. I just know that the timeline matches up, and increasing the dose doesn't cause a noticeable lengthening of the trip.


And in regards to the use of solvent to separate the glow of the compound from the paper, what I did was put a few scrap pieces of the blotter in a few drops of water in a plastic bag, and could definitely seen a white glow in the solution separate from the paper. This glow is a distinctly whiter glow than the fluorescence from DMT or harmala alkaloids. From what I understand this means it could be one of several ergoline derivatives (or maybe some other aromatic potent psychedelic), but the fluorescing means it's not DOX.


Your posts always seem very well thought out and wise Solipsis so I'd be interested to hear your take on whether my approach is valid, as the last thing I want to do is mislead people into a false sense of security in identifying LSD vs DOX.
 
Thanks. Well it sounds right, with a very small amount of water I can see how it's possible but also how low-dosed blotter could be considered DOX. Not sure about that. If you test in pitch black then I could see it working ok. Comparing on paper, yeah okay I believe that you can see a difference so its an option but if its a very good one? I simply cannot see what you saw but what feeling remains for me is that it could be confusing and not conclusive enough for some people. On the safe side, logically speaking you would have more false-negatives than false-positives when testing for acid (= positive), if your expectations of blacklight glow are sufficiently high. But the opposite if the paper fluoresces. I wonder how much drug-free blotter art really glows, I'd be surprised if it is that weak based on the paper I have seen in blacklight.

Question though: how much more expensive is a test than a blacklight? :) Then again you might have a blacklight already.

And another thing is: if people can be dedicated enough to do tests like this, it seems they are proactive enough to order a test as well... no?

So, I wanna be skeptical as a constructive thing, but it basically seems like a valid method if you have real LSD as a reference. Without a reference, I couldn't say.
 
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I think that "Ion exchange blotter" is fancy talk for "chromatography paper".
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No, it's not even that. "Ion exchange blotter" is normal blotter paper that's being called "ion exchange blotter" to justify the presence of exotic drugs on it, and provide a (however implausible) use for it that doesn't involve getting high.
 
I purchased the erhlich reagent and used it for the second time the other day. First was negative (glad I used it) and the second batch I tested was positive. I will now be trying LSD for the first time in a few weeks and I'm really glad I bought the test kit so I don't have to wonder on the come-up if I really took LSD.
 
Wonderful testimonial <3 A responsible choice.

I can only imagine what I would have done if fake LSD wasn't as rare here. I have only worried slightly about bunk blotter ever since I started tripping. But I am not sure if it's a geographical thing or a scene level thing.
 
Is there anything else sold in vial form that is active in one drop as lsd is? Recently got a half vial of ethanol based liquid, had one drop yesterday to sample quality and i tripped, but it seemed like it took longer than normal to really feel it, didnt last longer than 12 hours tho. Felt much more physical "side effects" than i did on the shiva tabs and wow i had past few years.

Noticed this thread and added a drop to my marquis reagent a few minutes ago, the two liquids would not mix, first drop i thought we messed up, so second drop i dropped the "lsd" into a pool of marquis, this time it was clear the two liquids would not mix and where the lsd was left a plan, colorless "pool" around brownish marquis reagent.

The only thing weird about my test is my reagent is almost 5 years old? however that shouldnt matter much i dont think.
 
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