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CuDLife

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So i've been doin some research and uncovered some scary finding stating that water does nothing but cools down the smoke to make your hits smoother, and that it traps some toxins in weed. All i hit is bubblers and bongs with joints and blunts occasionally, but i've always figured water must trap something if everything you smoke out of gets that brown rez ring around the glass. I've also read that hot water actually works very well for trapping tar as well as other toxins, but hitting shit with hot water is horrible.

Easy to see i've read many mixed reports, lets get some discussion goin on the topic. As we all know bongs and bubblers are theeeeeee way to blaze
 
Hot water is better since it condenses the smoke less, making less THC/CBD/resin stick to the surface of the glass, and it actually gives you smoother hits. Cold water actually gives you weaker hits, due to condensed smoke sticking the cannabinoids and resin to the surface before it gets to you. I find that room temperature water works the best, it feels too unnatural to hit a hot bong.

Btw, tar is not water soluble, but THC is very slightly so, so you are getting a tiny bit more tar and "other toxins" for the same amount of THC in your water pipe hits versus dry pieces. Water pieces only cool down the smoke, and do absolutely nothing positive for your health. In fact, bongs are terrible for your lungs if you take fat milky rips, but I still love them.
 
Why would you be getting more tar in water pieces as opposed to dry? Wouldnt it just be the same if anything. I dont like hitting dry pipes compared to bubblers, it literally feels like its worse for your lungs when you inhale, not cuz it hurts more just cuz it tastes different and stronger. but yeee ill rock rooom temperautre in my bubbler from now on thanks homie.
 
I've read that you get more tar in bongs because the water is more effective at removing cannabinoids than it is at removing inert tar. So the ratio of tar:cannabinoids actually goes slightly up in a water pipe, meaning in theory you have to smoke more to get the same amount of cannabinoids, so more tar.

I doubt it's a very significant decrease in either tar or cannabinoids, but I dunno.
 
i understand exactly what your saying, but anyone whos smoked a bong will tell you that you get as high off two bongs as you do a whole joint. I dont really believe that you need to smoke more to get high off bongs and bubblers, always ends up being less for me
 
We were talking bongs vs bowls though. And I've always personally found that I need to smoke significantly more from a bong or bubbler to achieve the same high as a hand pipe, even though the hits from the bong give me a bigger rush. If I smoke nothing but a hand pipe I'll burn through an eighth in about 4 or 5 days, but if I'm hitting a bong it'll be 3 or 4 tops.

Anyway, it's all subjective as far as which one you think gets you higher, but bongs aren't as efficient as pipes as far as getting the full cannabinoid content of the weed. They are more efficient in that you get larger hits, which may get you higher than the smaller ones. So it really is just a matter of preference.


There have been several threads about this in the past (both about what temperature of water is ideal in bongs and the bongs vs. handpipes vs joints argument) where you could find all this info in detail with a quick google search...
 
CuDLife said:
Why would you be getting more tar in water pieces as opposed to dry? Wouldnt it just be the same if anything.
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dude said, tar is not water soluble, but thc is.

so , water bong smoke is:

tar + (thc - some dissolved in water)

and bowl smoke is:

tar + thc
 
Personally, I find it makes pretty much no difference at all. If your deciding to use hot water to get the most out of every bit you smoke - you either need to take a break and stop being a fiend. Or learn what a placebo effect is.

Smoking a hot water bong to me is the same as people who hold hits in for like 30 seconds with the belief that "it gets you higher maaan"
 
Newbierock said:
If your deciding to use hot water to get the most out of every bit you smoke - you either need to take a break and stop being a fiend. Or learn what a placebo effect is.

Smoking a hot water bong to me is the same as people who hold hits in for like 30 seconds with the belief that "it gets you higher maaan"
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You know... when I'm hitting a bong in my house (read: my house, not somebody else's) it's normally by a computer, and I tend to watch the seconds tick by when I'm holding a hit in. Sometimes I go for longer hits just for the fuck of it... longest I got was 47 seconds and then I went into a coughing fit and earled in my trash can. =D

In all seriousness, though, I've learned that anything more than a few brief seconds is overkill. I just watch the clock because it's so easily available in my main smoke setting.



Back on topic: room temperature bongwater seems to be the Goldilocks Zone. It filters nicely and cools the smoke adequately. Ice cold water hits so god damn smooth, but it does fuck all for filtration. Just under boiling hot water leads to hits that tear my lungs and throat apart, but it's awesome at filtration.

I repeat: Room temperature = bongwater Goldilocks Zone.
 
If you're concerned about your lungs or respiratory system, getting less tar and carcinogens, as well as getting only THC or more than you get from smoking I'd get a vaporizer. I've seen pics and videos of people hooking them up to bongs but they'd put ice into the bong. Vapor is lighter than smoke and while it's not the best thing to be inhaling it has less tar and carcinogens than smoke does.

When I smoked out of bongs I'd just use ice or room temp water, or eventually the smoke would make the ice melt into room temp water.

Tink on the brink wrote about putting peroxide into a bong. I'm not sure if I'd personally want to do that; but I have heard of people putting mouthwash with alcohol in it, vodka, or creme de menthe into a bong. I've never done any of this though.
 
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H2O2 - hydrogen peroxide, no stabilizers in it - is the way to go. Here's why. The peroxide carries an extra oxygen molecule, which is unstable. That's why it comes in those dark bottles. It also dissolves resins, handy if you want to get all the goodies out. It has no flavor, and as long as you change it out each time (the stuff is less than a buck for a bottle), you will have a totally clean vessel and you will get the max from what you filter through it, because your bod will suck up that extra oxygen and the other goodies.
 
CuDLife said:
i understand exactly what your saying, but anyone whos smoked a bong will tell you that you get as high off two bongs as you do a whole joint. I dont really believe that you need to smoke more to get high off bongs and bubblers, always ends up being less for me
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In my experience, this is only true in the short run. If you smoke bongs every day, you will build a tolerance to the effect of the large hit from the bong and you will end up smoking just as much weed as someone who is only using a joint.
 
yeah bro im there right now takes 4 bongs to get me decently stoned. The main reason i stopped hitting it was because i read it could cause mad acne around the mouth from sharing it with poeple and even yourself sometimes, the tolerance thing was really just a bonus that i've been puttin off executing for some time now, but im glad i finally did (It was funny as soon as my face comes into play i stop hitting what i love the most that same day). The key is to have mannnyy things to smoke outta, and just switch it up weekly or daily i find (this is also weird, i've always known this but damn i loved bongs), or just smoke entirely different things like just vapes and blunts. Damn that'd be dope.
 
Jibult said:
You know... when I'm hitting a bong in my house (read: my house, not somebody else's) it's normally by a computer, and I tend to watch the seconds tick by when I'm holding a hit in. Sometimes I go for longer hits just for the fuck of it... longest I got was 47 seconds and then I went into a coughing fit and earled in my trash can. =D
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That brings to mind an amazing mental image, i'm gonna see if I can beat your 47 seconds without chucking up now. It's on.

& tinkonthebrink - I understand you have some solid logic behind hydrogen peroxide. But still, man it's hydrogen peroxide...
 
Bongs and other water pipes do dissolve more of the active cannabinoids from the smoke than a pipe would, thus encouraging you to smoke more cannabis, incurring the wrath of more tar than otherwise; though your hits will be smooth, you will smoke it faster, and you may get better results from this.

IMO, if you use a water filtering smoking device, you CAN use it to your benefit, healthwise. But what you'll have to do is practice smoking your cannabis really fast, so that you get higher by not allowing your receptors to get too downregulated; this allows you to smoke less cannabis than you would with a pipe, thus inundating your lungs with less tar and negating the effect previously mentioned of encouraging you to smoke more. Smoke fast, smoke less, smoke smarter, and it's better for you. Smoke slow, smoke a lot, smoke wastefully, and it's worse.

I prefer gravity bongs, however.
 
Yeah it definitely takes me like 15-30 minutes to blaze even 2 bowls sometimes, gotta lot of distractions around me cuz i blaze in my room most of the time. But thanks Dru that actually sounds like the smartest thing to do. And i just read that cold water actually dissovles less THC than hot water does. Hit up that link, its another forum but it seems pretty factual at parts

http://forum.grasscity.com/apprentice-tokers/157169-thc-soluble-water.html
 
Druidus said:
IMO, if you use a water filtering smoking device, you CAN use it to your benefit, healthwise. But what you'll have to do is practice smoking your cannabis really fast, so that you get higher by not allowing your receptors to get too downregulated; this allows you to smoke less cannabis than you would with a pipe, thus inundating your lungs with less tar and negating the effect previously mentioned of encouraging you to smoke more. Smoke fast, smoke less, smoke smarter, and it's better for you. Smoke slow, smoke a lot, smoke wastefully, and it's worse.
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This is exactly what I do no matter what type of pipe/bong I use. It's always better to smoke hits back to back and get really high, versus slowly chilling on a bowl or bong. It gets you so much higher and the high is a clean comeup, intense peak, and a smooth comedown, versus a "dirty" high where you have a bunch of a small comeups, small "peaks," and burnout comedowns.

This is why I love bongs. The peak is always more intense when smoking 2-3 rips back to back versus taking 5-6 rips over 15-30 mins.
 
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