Opioids Washing fentanyl?

[Fornax55]

I recently made a post about coming into a large quantity of dope for a ridiculous price, and have thus learned more about it which has given me some insight as to why it's available so cheap... there's no actual heroin in it. It's fentanyl mixed with (allegedly) an MDxx. I can't guarantee the latter because my friend was so baffled when he first heard that it was cut with fentanyl that he didn't pay much attention and was ushered out of the place where it was tested quickly after.

That said, it's fentanyl mixed in with a bunch of brown powder. God nows what it is, but there's a lot of it. Given fentanyl's potency, this product - despite being incredibly strong - must be more than ninety percent filler, so I was wondering if there's a way to purify/extract/isolate the fentanyl. Before I found out this was cut with fent, I tried doing some extractions methods listed here on BL for extracting heroin, but I feel there must be different methods for dealing with fentanyl

 

[Joey24x18]

Its probably a fent RC. All speculation aside, Id flush it. I know you probably won't, but one hot spot and you're out.

Oh, and there's about a 0.0001 chance someone wasted a large amount of any MD** chemical to cut some shitty fent with. They'd have to be close to if not brain dead retarded.

 

[Mad Dash]

You do NOT want to do that. You have no way of knowing what the cuts are in there and lets say you were able to isolate the fent. Do you know how dangerous it is to handle pure fent powder? This whole thing sounds like a huge mess my friend. You have GOT to throw this shit out. I know this is like the 30th time I have said it but... I don't know what else to do to help you with this problem.

 

[Zerwas]

Imo there is no way that your product contains a MD** substance, it would be a complete waste and the fent-Analogues are potent enough. It probably is just mannitol or something like that.

Also it seems very strange that someone would get it tested and then not be told what the results are but escorted out the place, wtf?

Like Mad Dash said: You'd be better throwing it away but I guess this won't happen....then you have to deal with a (Acetyl/Butyr-)Fentanyl addiction soon. If you don't OD that is.

I would get some Subutex and throw this shit away after telling the dealer and the customers you know what he is selling and the potential consequences.

 

[Mad Dash]

Imo there is no way that your product contains a MD** substance, it would be a complete waste and the fent-Analogues are potent enough. It probably is just mannitol or something like that.

Also it seems very strange that someone would get it tested and then not be told what the results are but escorted out the place, wtf?

Like Mad Dash said: You'd be better throwing it away but I guess this won't happen....then you have to deal with a (Acetyl/Butyr-)Fentanyl addiction soon. If you don't OD that is.

I would get some Subutex and throw this shit away after telling the dealer and the customers you know what he is selling and the potential consequences.

I think what he meant by the getting escorted out was some sort of legal situation? And they did a field test and could not find any active street drugs in it so they had the lab test it? And in the other thread he already mentioned he got this stuff from the dark net, so the worst he could do is give the guy a bad review, and that is if he is on a market place that has reviews.

 

[tacodude]

Wait, wait, wait.... From the darknet? Did you ask your vendor whats up? Does he have fent products in stock? If you can not figure out what you have toss it if yiu assume cut fent especially up to 90% as it would be that much easier to hit a hotspot as the dose needed would be higher than a 20% even 75% cut and that would be if evenly cut, which sounds unlikely especially due to the brown color. Usually fents cut with manitol or innotol(sp?) both inert filler although I assume white. Without sending it off to a lab to analyse the active and inactive ingredients or the vendor tells you what it is if he knows then you will never figure it out and as repeatedly suggested should just be tossed before you devistate your loved ones accidentally killing themselves with an unknown concentration of fent. It is just not worth it.

Edit: Could've been a dancesafe or EZtest booth for pill, molly, and general substance testing with regents.

 

[Fornax55]

Yeah, it was a legal situation that it was tested in. I'm not assuming it's fentanyl, it was tested in front of my friend and that's why he was released instead of having to wait until his court date. The MDxx I'm willing to bet as a misunderstanding.

Maybe my understanding of fentanyl's dosing is wrong, but if I'm able to smoke multiple points of the stuff, and my friends are able to IV multiple points - most of us having tolerances ~12-30MG of hydromorphone - am I not safe in assuming that there's not a huge amount of fentanyl in it? The stuff's still really strong but nobody's dying.

That said, I once again think something must be lost in communication here - maybe the way I wrote seems to dramatic, lol. Why would I throw out good dope just because I found out the active constituent is fentanyl instead of heroin? All that's gonna do is put me through WD sooner and get it over with, of which I can see the benefit... but, again, what a waste. Bomb shit is bomb shit and those who have tried it love it. I've gone through a huge amount of the stuff and nobody's overdosed, nobody's died, nothing bad's really happened besides a few puke sessions from getting a bit too high, but I don't think there's much of a risk of hitting a hot spot

I think the reason the supplier didn't mention anything is because of that reason. It's mixed very well and at a good ratio. It feels exactly like what it's supposed to - really strong heroin. Nobody's suspected anything except for one friend who had an inkling it might be fentanyl, (he was actually the one who it was tested in front of) but een though I've told them they still continue using it.

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[tacodude]

vomiting is an obvious overdose issue and 12-30 mg hydromorphone I assumed IV by your friend and a different ROA for you? That is definitely an above average tollerance and the fent will just shoot it exponuntially higher making other opiates unable to even reduce w/d. Worst of all rather than a 2-6 hour effect possibly even only one if the dose is low for hydromorphone is long compared to fents 1/2 hour half-life leading to an hour of relief at best before one is not just craving, but sick.

Serriously stop now while you are not at rock bottom as it is too late to stop before you are ahead as you're smoking points with friends shooting points of an unknown purity or evenly blended fent obviusly cut even just impure yet more than likely due to the brown color. Really the whole situation is off and I forsee and fear you or someone you know posting a death story due to the fent.

Do yourself and your friends a favor and toss it. Do not trade it for other opiates or you risk living with involontary manslaughter on your concious possibly your record as well. Stock up on dillys, morphine, opana (7-9 hour half life so 14-18 hour relief with a good dose), real heroin, kratom, or any safer alternative. Even poppy seed tea would be better even with its unknown potency, active compound composure, and varying amounts extraced each time due to extraction effort made. Serriously quit the fent before someone gets hurt.

 

[svacheme3]

If I wasn't reasonably sober right now I'd be getting myself banned for obscenity at you people telling him to throw it out.

He stands zero percent chance of successful extraction when he doesn't even know which specific analog of fent it is, and for thinking a method for extracting H would help.

Throw it out, ffs. I'm sick of irresponsible junkies who OD making everyone scared of fent. I'd LOVE some of that shit. What you DO need to do is either make it exceedingly clear it's much stronger, or dilute it to normal dope levels (preferably the former). Be safe with it, respect the strength. You don't have to substitute fear for responsibility.

Or at least tell me what trash can it goes into, since as someone who not only knows what to do with that, but can also safely handle PURE fent analogs, I'd love some fire dope.

Throw it out, the fuck.

 

[SluttyPeach]

Fornax please don't try to isolate and use that shit. It very well may kill you, or make you even more sick than it already has. Best case scenario it will just fuck your tolerance if it hasn't already. Everyone's telling you to get rid of it but, come on. We should know you ain't gonna do that cause then you'll go into WD's. Just whatever you do don't shoot it and you might consider going to detox?

You seem to have a lot of issues with dope and I speak for all of us when I say you need to slow down, or get help. Your habit has increased exponentially in a short amount of time which is not uncommon but still a bad sign. Just looking out for ya.. Please be safe man, peace.

 

[Mad Dash]

If I wasn't reasonably sober right now I'd be getting myself banned for obscenity at you people telling him to throw it out.

He stands zero percent chance of successful extraction when he doesn't even know which specific analog of fent it is, and for thinking a method for extracting H would help.

Throw it out, ffs. I'm sick of irresponsible junkies who OD making everyone scared of fent. I'd LOVE some of that shit. What you DO need to do is either make it exceedingly clear it's much stronger, or dilute it to normal dope levels (preferably the former). Be safe with it, respect the strength. You don't have to substitute fear for responsibility.

Or at least tell me what trash can it goes into, since as someone who not only knows what to do with that, but can also safely handle PURE fent analogs, I'd love some fire dope.

Throw it out, the fuck.

You obviously have not been around to see his other, threads. Please go read more on this stash of his, and when you know the whole story you will understand why we have been telling him to throw it out. He has been asking how to stop using and then asking how to isolate the fent. To our understanding he does not have the tools or know how to safely dilute fent nor have a proper stand mixer to produce a homogenized product. The product more than likely is already mixed from his darknet vendor to the safest possible specs.

 

[Fornax55]

vomiting is an obvious overdose issue and 12-30 mg hydromorphone I assumed IV by your friend and a different ROA for you? That is definitely an above average tollerance and the fent will just shoot it exponuntially higher making other opiates unable to even reduce w/d. Worst of all rather than a 2-6 hour effect possibly even only one if the dose is low for hydromorphone is long compared to fents 1/2 hour half-life leading to an hour of relief at best before one is not just craving, but sick.

Thanks for your input. I'd like to point out though that vomiting is not an obvious overdose sign. Having a quick, spontaneous ,puke just happens when you do good dope. That's well documented and a lot of people will attest to it. Being nauseous and floored in fetal position puking is a sign of overdosing, but randomly upchucking after taking a good hit isn't unheard of.

I've never seen anyone be berated like this on Bluelight before just for maintaining their habit. What's the big deal? I realize there's a lot of dope at stake here but I'm using with a host of other responsible adults who have all been a part of the opiate game for a good portion of our life. We're all obviously into harm reduction - hence posting here - and are by no means stupid. I feel like the general tone of responses in this thread are suspecting that I'm just going to go ahead and try to wash the fentanyl anways. Of course not - I'm asking to lear

I'm sick of irresponsible junkies who OD making everyone scared of fent. I'd LOVE some of that shit. What you DO need to do is either make it exceedingly clear it's much stronger, or dilute it to normal dope levels (preferably the former). Be safe with it, respect the strength. You don't have to substitute fear for responsibility.

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Thanks. Agreed. I mentioned earlier (though everyone flaming me seems to have ignored it) that the dope is perfectly diluted. My more tolerant friends can shoot a point comfortably (though, as I"ll mention in a moment, they started with much less) my less tolerant friends can shoot a quarter point comfortably, and I can maintain my habit of smoking. Nobody's going to overdose on my watch. I warn everyone that the stuff's potent and if a fellow pillhead or user wants to try the stuff, it I'll sit them down and make them smoke a toke or two right in front of me to assess their tolerance. That happened last night - a friend wanted to try a certain amount. I sat him down and made him smoke a single toke and he loved it and decided he'd not even need a quarter as much as he'd planned to do.

So I have my dope, and I have a select circle of good friends who enjoy using it and have experience with opiates of all sorts. Including pure fentanyl. We understand that fentanyl is more potent than what we're used to - just like we usually are when we deal with fentanyl instead of our regular dope - which is why we make sure to regulate and observe our usage and not let anyone shoot up if they're by themselves.

This is my stance right now. I asked if the extraction was possible. It's not, so I'm not going to attempt it. I'm leaving the dope as is and am going to proceed to use it at regular doses with the same people I've been using with the last three weeks.

Another quip that'd been thrown at me is that "my habit has increased exponentially over the last two weeks." Well, not to be blunt, but no shit. That's what happens when you score a good amount of product. The only reason my habit wasn't at this level a few weeks before was because I didn't have the cash to support it. I just need some clarification - why am I being berated so much? I have been this addicted to opiates numerous times in the past, have dealt with the sickness and moved on and, when the time comes, returned to meet the dragon. It's nothing I'm proud of, but comments of "stop before you hit rock bottom" and "throw it out before it's too late" seem a little bit unjust. I've done this all before. Everyone using this dope, has been down this road before. Again, nothing I'm proud of, but I don't need to be mothered, I made a few threads asking for a) tips about distracting myself from compulsive redosing (which I have since figured out myelfs) and b) to see if an extraction was possible (which I now see is not.)

So, now I'm maintaining a habit at a level I'm comfortable with, with the product that was sent to me.
What's the huge deal?

 

[Fornax55]

You obviously have not been around to see his other, threads. Pleacse go read more on this stash of his, and when you know the whole story you will understand why we have been telling him to throw it out. He has been asking how to stop using and then asking how to isolate the fent. To our understanding he does not have the tools or know how to safely dilute fent nor have a proper stand mixer to produce a homogenized product. The product more than likely is already mixed from his darknet vendor to the safest possible specs.

Another comment I don't understand. Not having the tools to do an extraction isn't grounds to throw the whole freaking product out. Just because you don't have a wheedwhacker to trim the weeds around your garden doesn't mean you destroy the whole damn garden, you just don't whack the weeds. Same thing with my dope. I don't have the tools to facilitate the extraction and you told me that it was dangerous and not worth it, so I'm not going to do it. That's why I made the thread - to find out whether or not it's manageable. I don't see why throwing it out would be a suitable reaction to not being able to do an extraction if the product works great as is. I just wanted it to be a little more pure for health reasons but if that would create a more dangerous situation then obviously I won't do it.

 

[Joey24x18]

Seriously though, trusting a random powder/fent combo off the darknet is pretty damn sketchy bro.

You could smoke/shoot the same amount you've usually been and get a hotspot with 10x the fent. Instant OD. Its good you're taking precautions. If you plan to sustain this habit in the future I would recommend ordering a pure fent RC and measuring it either with a really good scale or volumetrically.

 

[Fornax55]

A hot spot's a possibility but, I mean, this is the last (I believe) of a product that's been sold for quite some time, and there haven't been any reported ODs. I'm not sure if you know how darknet markets work but they all operate on a user-based feedback system and if someone's selling shitty or dangerous goods, they get put out fast. I know it came from a reputable source. In fact, I was told by a friend of mine who, two months prior to my whole shenanigan, received a bag of the same brown powder and smoked it all with no mishap. (i don't think talking about the darknet itself counts as sourcing, anymore than talking about street corners in NYC, does it?

 

[SluttyPeach]

Nobody's trying to berate you man, we're just worried about you and your friends. Shit happens, that's why we are here for when people ask questions. Not to bring you down but to try and give advice so nobody gets hurt. We all do drugs or have done them. I've overdosed a few times and even died for a minute, then came back... thank God. Many of my friends died in their teens/20s because they thought they too were invincible and I don't wanna see it happen any more than it does.

You know what you're doing, we know that. But despite how careful you are there's always a chance you will go to sleep and never wake up. That's a reality all drug users face unfortunately.. And the reason for our words here is we don't wanna see your username on the front page of the Bluelight Shrine one day. But I apologize if I came off as condescending with any of my posts, it wasn't meant that way.

You are one of us, my friend. We just don't want anything to happen to you. Peace

 

[tacodude]

Do you even have narcan ready? Which if I am not mistaken is not too effective in reversing fent. Serriously OP you are not just being irresponsible, but rude. You immediately deny my opinion and ignore the rest of my post explaining why you are on a bad path. I see you ending up in jail or forced detox and rehab in the end. Goodbye I am not sticking around just to see you post someone died and you did not expect it after several warnings. You refuse to accept the answer you can not seperate the fent from cut and keep pushing for an answer rationalizing irresponsibly using fent powder of unknown purity or proper evenly distributed cut to fent ratio as you can't find an answer to separate it.... Really if you are on the dark net why have fent cut like this vs blotters or pure fent. Something here is fishy and until the OP is honest and open they will never get help

 

[Fornax55]

Oops, double post. Anyway, I'm trying my hardest not to be rude. I didn't really ignore any of your post, most of the things you said I'd addressed earlier in this thread or in another one.

You refuse to accept the answer you can not seperate the fent from cut and keep pushing for an answer

I don't think you're reading my posts properly. I accepted the unlikelyhood of an extraction with my first response, and continued to say three or four times in this thread alone,that I'm going to leave the dope as is and not try and extract the fentanyl. I was never rude, I merely addressed points you made with my own personal experience when certain things you said just weren't true - i.e. puking on opiates doesn't mean you're ODing.

Sorry if I came off as rude - like I keep saying, there's just been some miscommunication. I must have come off a lot more desperate and fiendishan I intended. Extracting the fentanyl from this dope is legitimately of zero importance to me, I just thought it would be cool. When I found out I couldn't extract it I just started eating it instead because I don't want tp damage my nose or sinuses and because I'll dose much less when I'm eatng it.

I don't really see what's irresponsible about this. I can maintain full time work and a healthy and (incredibly, one of the MOST) loving relationship with my girlfriend (I cut her of the heroin as soon as I made my other post and the brief hiccup in our relationship smoothed out evenly); my birthday get-tigetger last week - something I didn't even plan - was a wonderful reuinion of friends I hadn't seen in ages, and I've finshed writing my novel and bought myself an interface, guitar, microphone and an amp to put some serious work into my musical career. Shit's going great - asode from the apparent risk of hot spots (yes, I do have naloxone in case this does happen, mostly for when the junk runs out but also in case something serious happens before then. :/_

 

[tacodude]

I want to say the OP sent a very nice post trying to understand where the rude claim comes from, which I tried to explain is seeking for the answer the OP wants yet knows it is wrong, but obviously won't accept and continues to rationalize and seek someone who will back his rationalization. As I pointed he wont except from the one wanting to use himself posting how everone trying to help is giving bad advice while spouting more harmful advice themself obviously as they are out and want the fent themselves. Really though you know it is wrong if you are lieing to your gf about your habit so she won't hassle you for it. No matter how much you feel you are handling it now just don't forget it only takes one moment for everything to turn and go wrong and at that point it might be too late to quit just to fix it all mot only because of dependencies. Lies hurt and destroy trust and trust me once you lose it you will not gain it back easy.

 

[Fornax55]

I don't get where these ideas are coming from, man. I'm not lying to you or disagreeing or being rude, but you're accusing me of things that have no basis.

I never once asked whether or not I should quit opiates. That's obvious - everyone who has an additcion should quit, but it's just not practical for me. If that's "the answer" that you keep telling me I refuse to accept, then that's compleely irrelevant because it has nothing to do with my question about washing fentanyl.

You keep saying i'm "seeking an answer," which I'm not. The question was simple - can I extract the fentanyl? The answer was no, and I've repeatedly shown that I"m alright with that.

Maybe you got my username mixed up? The middle of your post there,

As I pointed he wont except from the one wanting to use himself posting how everone trying to help is giving bad advice while spouting more harmful advice themself obviously as they are out and want the fent themselves

If you look a couple posts up, I thanked two people separately for their input. On second look, I actually thanked YOU for your input, which shows that you're not putting much credence into this attack on me.

Really though you know it is wrong if you are lieing to your gf about your habit so she won't hassle you for it.

Brother, for REAL. WHERE are these ideas coming from? In the other thread I posted, with honesty and regret, my mistakes, and continued to tell how I cut my lady off from the heroin. I believe I mentioned that she's been okay with this, she knows I still use and she's supporting me while I'm working on getting rid of the stuff.

it might be too late to quit just to fix it all mot only because of dependencies. Lies hurt and destroy trust and trust me once you lose it you will not gain it back easy.

It's not going to be 'too late to quit'. There's just over a quarter of the supply leftover, and my weaning process has been working great. I've switched my RoA which has made it much, MUCH easier to decrease my overall usage.

There's no lies amongst my girlfriend. No deception amongst my friends - as soon as I heard about the test results, they were all informed that the stuff was fentanyl and to be extra careful. In fact, this whole situation has allowed me to build a stronger barrier of trust with some of my friends because I've put real friendship to the test: in a lot of cases, junkies will forsake their friendships to maintain their love with heroin. I've left a number of my friends (some with much less of a habit than me and some with much more of a habit ) alone in my room with the heroin sitting on the table. Not that I felt it necessary, but sometimes I'll weigh the dope when they're not looking, leave the room for a while, come back and weigh it again. It's never been touched.

So, again - no deception, no lies, no destruction. I'm honoured to share friendship with some of the only junkies I've ever met who I wouldn't even classify as junkies - more like angels with bad habits.

So I dunno, man. Sorry for the rant, but I really don't know where you're getting these bad ideas about me.