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☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Mislabeled Batch of 2C-B-Fly That Has Caused Deaths

And as such there were two deaths from doses of 18 and 11mg. Which is a shit-ton of Bromo-DragonFLY.

So basically, its not we thought it was, and therefore dosing to 2c-b-fly spec would probably kill you.
 
I'd put just as much blame on the deceased vendor. They obviously were not verifying that the chemicals they were purchasing were authentic or pure. Given that they know damn well people are going to be taking the chemicals they sell they had a responsibility to test the substances.

When pfizer sells outsources the production of viagra they don't just hope the manufacturer delivers a pure product. There's due diligence involved.
 
Again though you are drawing an analogy to a pill company that has to undergo rigorous testing and achieve a nearly flawless rate of acceptance among consumers.

I once again think it would be nice for a vendor to do that, but you just cant count on it. Not in such a shady industry.
 
Ya, I would agree with that. The ultimate responsibility lies with the person who buys the product. Caveat emptor. That's not to say that the unfortunate vendor concerned was running a responsible business cos he clearly wasn't, but we all know that in reality vendor sites are basically run by some kid with a set of scales in a bedroom somewhere. They are definitely not "legit" businesses like major pharmaceutical companies and really can't be relied on to provide honest information about what they sell. Prohibition, eh? Gotta love it :\
 
Obviously, no one should count on it, but I don't think everyone should be so quick to blame the supplier either. It wouldn't surprise me if this was miscommunication which is what CAS# and IUPAC are for.

I still think if a person plans on reselling something they have a responsibility to make sure what they are selling is authentic. Even if its as simple as checking the melting point, something...
 
And that is a valid point. It should be proven as what it is that much is for sure. Simply from a business standpoint.

If I buy a box of skittles and get M&M's that aint right.

Although in this case the results are more serious.

Although somebody could die if I got M&Ms instead :)
 
This is kinda off topic but it's kinda ironic how the point of a sticky thread is to make something be seen by more people by not allowing it to fall off the front page but the actual effect is that less people see it because people barely ever look at the stickies.

I kinda forgot about this thread once it was stickied.
 
It's true that many people do skip the stickies and it's possible more folks would have seen it if it were constantly being bumped in the main forum. Given the high number of views and the fact it's linked to from other sites it seems to be doing it's job okay though. Also, the fact that people have posted here saying they would have taken this stuff as 2C-B-fly but saw this in time is encouraging :)

And as Delsymfan mentions, once you've found it you can always subscribe if you want to keep up to date with it.
 
I'm sure they are simply unreacted byproducts. I'm almost certain that this was a simply communication error that could have been resolved through the use of CAS or IUPAC when communicating with the supplier.

More than likely, it is as safe as 100% BDF. (I'm not stating that BDF is particularly safe, I just don't think the impurities really added to the toxicity)
 
thats currently my sentiments on the issue.

I mean, even if that 5% is something not good, that means you're talking like 10ug on a 200ug dose of BDF, so I can't see how much you could be harmed. I mean how many things do damage at that dose? Or am I just being naive?

Anyway my guess is its probably ok to test out. Which I will be doing in a couple weeks. Of course, with caution.
 
delsymfan said:
thats currently my sentiments on the issue.

I mean, even if that 5% is something not good, that means you're talking like 10ug on a 200ug dose of BDF, so I can't see how much you could be harmed. I mean how many things do damage at that dose? Or am I just being naive?

Anyway my guess is its probably ok to test out. Which I will be doing in a couple weeks. Of course, with caution.
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I agree but there's no harm in waiting for the results.
 
FYI, I created a 100mg in 100ml of everclear solution today and there is a little bit that refuses to go into solution even with vigorous shaking and gentle heat. I may adjust this solution by adding more distilled water, as I think it will allow for the remainder to dissolve. I will keep the same 1 to 1 mg to ml ratio.
 
I was gonna say I would probably suggest more water with a small percentage of everclear to keep it clean...

I dont know how well this stuff dissolves in alcohol but it does have a record of going into water.

And yeah moniorojo part of my 2 week waiting is just simply to get the facts in. Its a good thing.
 
i'm work in a lab, with several compounds that i would NOT want to ingest 5ug of. lots of things could be pretty bad at that level. i dunno about in the synthesis of bromo dragonfly, but most organic syntheses involve at least a couple pretty nasty chems.

that's kinda a risk with ALL RCs though
and is a hint that we should all be a bit more careful

i wouldn't eat that shit even if i thought it was 99% BRDFLY
 
Hello to all, this is my first post on this site.
Swim has only just seen this thread, having insufflated 5-6mg, of this batch of supposed 2c-b-fly, approximately 2 weeks ago. Swim called mates, early on, due to the unexpected intensity and unpleasantness, of the initial effects, which got increasingly more intense. The first 6 hrs are a blur, remembering very little (apart from hoping it would end soon) with swim being in a deeply psycadelic/disaccociative state, having vomitted 2-3 times in addition to major gastrointestinal disturbances. I am deeply sorry for the loss of those who have died due to this mis-labelling of a substance and am glad swim saw this thread before repeating the experience at half his initial dose (with 2-3mg still being quite a substantial overdose).
Thanks go out to those who reacted quickly to the mistake, and have, in turn, saved another life.
Btw, after the first hellish 6 hrs, the trip became much more what swim was looking for and had quite an enjoyable experience. Intestinal disturbances lasted for approx. 48 hrs, however no other side-effects were experienced and swim felt pretty good the next day, considering what could have happened.
Once again, thanks to those who warned the RC community of the danger and condolences to those who have lost friends or family, due to this fatal error.
Cheers
 
Welcome to PD and BL, Relapse. Sorry to hear you dosed unwittingly but glad you got through it okay :)

I'm sure there will be many here who would be fascinated to here more of your experience if you can describe it. The more information we get on this stuff the better.

And no need for SWIMming here - means nothing, makes posts hard to read and provides no legal protection. For future reference :)
 
I personally would ask said vendor where its coming from and ask if he has performed tests to assure it is what it is...

Goddamn UD being down.

@Re-lapse, good to see you are ok. You may want to get checked out for vasoconstriction in extremities. This drug has caused a couple high dosers to lose a finger due to delayed onset gangrene.

@ Porkstock - How exactly do you take any RC then? None of them are pure 100%. some are 97, some 99.x. You're drinking water isn't pure. Nothing you eat is really 100% of what it should be.

So you cant rule out a 95% BDF sample, and much less so a 99% one.
 
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