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☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Mislabeled Batch of 2C-B-Fly That Has Caused Deaths

Doesn't it seem extremely irresponsible for whoever is in control of that website now to not put a warning up of some sort? More importantly - why haven't they sent urgent warning emails to all customers already?

More people may die - and they have the opportunity and responsibility to stop more deaths, yet they do nothing! Isn't that a major felony, even in Denmark?

To continue operations and pretend to be doing business as usual is way beyond the pale!!
 
Doesn't it seem extremely irresponsible for whoever is in control of that website now to not put a warning up of some sort? More importantly - why haven't they sent urgent warning emails to all customers already?

More people may die - and they have the opportunity and responsibility to stop more deaths, yet they do nothing! Isn't that a major felony, even in Denmark?

To continue operations and pretend to be doing business as usual is way beyond the pale!!

Yeah, I was thinking contacting the people they sent out the chem would be #1 priority for the company right now (which they might have done).

This really makes me sad. I also wonder what legal issues the associated parties might be involved in. Would it not be a good idea to take down this thread sometime in the future? I don't really know legal systems well, but it seems like the people involved in the company getting into legal trouble would make the situation much worse than it already is. I also don't know if anything said here could actually be used as evidence
 
Doesn't it seem extremely irresponsible for whoever is in control of that website now to not put a warning up of some sort? More importantly - why haven't they sent urgent warning emails to all customers already?

More people may die - and they have the opportunity and responsibility to stop more deaths, yet they do nothing! Isn't that a major felony, even in Denmark?

To continue operations and pretend to be doing business as usual is way beyond the pale!!
To my understanding, it was a one man business, so it might not be possible for anyone else to access the owners database.
And he is sadly not able to do it...

EDIT: Didn't notice delsynfans post:
They did remove the 2c-b-fly page, so somebody has to have access to it.
 
Erowid is working with me to procure the sample from the hospital I went to so that it may be sent to a NGO here in Spain for comple gc/ms analysis.

Don't know if they'll give it up, but let's hope.

I will keep everyone posted.

Oh, and LoveBlue, thanks for everything, and stay strong!!!
 
Erowid is working with me to procure the sample from the hospital I went to so that it may be sent to a NGO here in Spain for comple gc/ms analysis.

Don't know if they'll give it up, but let's hope.

I will keep everyone posted.

Oh, and LoveBlue, thanks for everything, and stay strong!!!

The NGO you are talking about already has samples. More would be welcome probably.
 
Well yeah if theres a place that you know Joan that can take our samples, we're obviously looking for the lowest cost option as a group here.

I can get some samples sent, we had a gram sitting there.
 
Delsym:

I think moniorojo has the contact details. I don't at the moment. One of the coordinators of the program is supposed to be contacting me. At least that's what erowid crew said...
 
Just a confirmation that Erowid is trying to get some of this material tested. We've found a lab standard that is on its way to our lab. There's at least one, maybe two samples of the material in the mail on their way. We're still in negotiations with the lab about whether they'll be able to do it and how much it'll cost. We should know in a couple of days. Unfortunately this just takes some time. Doing our best to make it quick.

Fire Erowid
 
The first lab results say it is bromo-dragonfly (first tests)
Now we have to wait for more precise tests (GC/MS)
 
The first lab results say it is bromo-dragonfly (first tests)
Now we have to wait for more precise tests (GC/MS)
If true:
I don't see how you can accidently make BDF when trying to make 2c-b-fly, so it must be on purpose. This is bad :|
 
If true:
I don't see how you can accidently make BDF when trying to make 2c-b-fly, so it must be on purpose. This is bad :|

It could be:

1. A misunderstanding because of language barriers
2. They simply had bromo-dragonfly at hand (maybe from yet another lab) and sent it instead...
Anyways, we have to wait for final resutls
 
If true:
I don't see how you can accidently make BDF when trying to make 2c-b-fly, so it must be on purpose. This is bad :|
So it could be miscommunication between the vendor and the chemist, mislabeling by the chemist, or mislabeling by the vendor. I guess it's unlikely anyone deliberately swapped 2c-b-fly for bromodragonfly, unless there were some crazed mass murderer or DEA plant involved somewhere along the line. Massive cock-up seems more likely to me than conspiracy, in this case, I'd've thought.

Whichever it is, clearly more safeguards are needed all along the way. Vendors should be independently testing their products, or - if they're just amateur (i.e. one-person RC-users who also sell RCs on) vendors - at the very least tasting the chemicals themself before selling them on. And obviously users should be rigorous in taking miniscule (sub-mg) test doses of chemicals before taking an expected effective dose. I know I will, in future. I feel so dumb for trusting that RC companies won't make a massive fuck-up like this; I've always known that one should take test doses on every new batch, but I've sure been lax about that.

Many thanks to all those who've made sure word got out about this.
 
Been following this thread since day 1 and just wanted to say I'm glad you guys made it through it, very interesting (if thats the word) trip reports. Terrible when this stuff happens.
 
Yeah if it really is BDF, then it had to be some sort of language screwup.

Totally possible. I dont think any business wants to deliberatly fuck up stuff. Its in their worsts interests for future profit.

And as such, going by the simple principles of the market, I imagine this lab thought it was doing it's job, and perfectly synth'ed a super potent chem.

Course, if it is JUST BDF, we could have some potential usefulness out of it.

Still I get the vibe its not just one chemical. I personally feel we have a good thing mixed with a bad one.
 
Did hospitalised people get vasoconstriction from this compound? Surely if people were taking 10mg+ doses this would lead to serious vasoconstriction if it was in fact BromoDragonFLY?

Also has anyone traced back the original supplier of this compound (I'm guessing that would be kind of impossible though unless someone had access to the vendors email account or something)? I once enquired with a Chinese supplier about 2C-B-FLY, they said they didn't have that in stock but did have BromoDragonFLY instead..... unlikely they're the same people though.
 
In Spain some people have buyed the same batch. Energycontrol has done a TLC last Friday, they suspect it ist Bromodragonfly. In 2 weeks we have the results of GC/MS.

It could be:

1. A misunderstanding because of language barriers
2. They simply had bromo-dragonfly at hand (maybe from yet another lab) and sent it instead...
Anyways, we have to wait for final resutls

We discussed the importance of precision of "FLY" here, in 2004:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=3609089#post3609089
 
In Spain some people have buyed the same batch. Energycontrol has done a TLC last Friday, they suspect it ist Bromodragonfly. In 2 weeks we have the results of GC/MS.



We discussed the importance of precision here:

hxxp://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.p ... ost3609089

ru in Spain, voltech?

did u receive some of this stuff?
 
Hmm, I've been following this one closely and it does seem to me like BDFLY is the most likely, especially considering fatalities with it have already been documented.

To those who say "some psychedelics" are totally non-toxic, this just isn't true. Moreover, psychedelics seem to be generally more toxic toward humans than rodents. Toxicity is ultimately a function potency and dose. Incidents like these, while very rare, unfortunately serve to document the mechanisms of toxicity: hyperthermia and cardiovascular issues including vasoconstriction appear to be the major ones.

I have a particular hypothesis to propose regarding relative toxicity of these things. Particularly, I recall that BDFLY showed higher binding affinity for 5HT2A than LSD in Dr. Nichols' studies, even though LSD is more subjectively potent in humans. I suspect that difference may be with respect to blood brain barrier permeability, a lack of which is intuitively consistent with a relatively long onset (note BDFLY ODs took 6+ hours to reach peak) and would most definitely accentuate the peripheral toxicity of the compound. Compounds like the DOXs, 2C-T-7 and what not also show this property. OTOH, poor BBB permeability and high peripheral toxicity may exist but not coincide with a long onset for chemicals with a very short overall duration of action, like many tryptamines (5-MeO-DMT comes to mind) but not like AMT or 5-MeO-AMT which are evidently rather toxic. This is just a simple idea of course, and onset could also be delayed by GI availability as well, but my bet is that relative duration of onset (for long acting chems) may be a clear marker for potential toxicity.

Take care.
 
The difference with these 3-carbon compounds too (that seem to cause a lot of deaths, DOB and now DOB-dragonfly) is that they aren't usually partial agonists at serotonin receptors like LSD, various tryptamines and the 2-carbon phenethylamines. They can actually provoke a 5HT2A response almost completely (full agonist) in terms of potential whereas if I can recall correctly LSD can only provoke a maximum of about 25% of the response that would be produced by one of these cells if exposed to serotonin. This fact has long made me feel insecure about the compounds, though I don't know if it's related to the acute toxicity. Despite crazy doses of both 2c-i and 2c-e being ingested, I'm not really aware of any fatalities due to those drugs.
 
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