☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Mislabeled Batch of 2C-B-Fly That Has Caused Deaths

[sh4mw0w]

I agree -- I think this stuff is either 3-c-fly or bromo-dragonfly. aka in my opinion it definitely has that alpha-methyl group.

I noticed someone wrote about dark urine in the ER...

While at the hospital, the first time I saw them empty the catheter, the urine was brown and very dirty looking. I remember being very thirsty during the entire incident, but unable to keep the water from coming back up.

This is a sign of rhabdomyolysis, and can really screw up the electrolyte balance in the body --and can lead to acute kidney failure etc. In combination with vasospasm/vasoconstriction and hypercalcemia , rhabdomyolysis could easily lead to cardiac arhythmias and heart attack.

The urine becomes dark from myoglobin (muscle breakdown product).

 

[Hah]

^
at this point its also important to ponder the possible toxicity of active metabolites.

 

[pk5000]

To my understanding, it was a one man business, so it might not be possible for anyone else to access the owners database.
And he is sadly not able to do it...

EDIT: Didn't notice delsynfans post:

My observation was that the site was running on it's own, automated orders, etc....

During this incident the 2c-b-fly product page was first marked in stock, then dropped to "low stock" then finally it went to "no product info"

Based on how his site ran in the past I think it was just set up to sell the quantity he had.....

I think had he not died, a lot more of this would have been sent out.....

 

[Spazg83]

Has anyone thought of trying to contact some of the Pro drug podcasts and asking them put out a warning? I figure that some of them might already know from the email that Erowid sent out. But it might be a good idea to encourage them to say something on their next podcasts.

Does anyone else think this is a good idea? It might save lives.

 

[moniorojo]

More info:

The TLC result showed 2 distinguishable stains (one on top of the other, almost together), one of which could be bromo-dragonfly, the other might be anything...

 

[The Parasites]

Wow, this is bad... My heart goes out to everyone who has been hurt in this tragedy. We really need have drugs legalized already.

My question is, if it is Bromo-Dragonfly, would a 4mg dose hospitalize somebody? How about those that took a 1mg dose and too were hopsitalized?

 

[moniorojo]

Wow, this is bad... My heart goes out to everyone who has been hurt in this tragedy. We really need have drugs legalized already.

My question is, if it is Bromo-Dragonfly, would a 4mg dose hospitalize somebody? How about those that took a 1mg dose and too were hopsitalized?

We need more info about the 1mg doses. 1mg of bromodragonfly would freak out anyone if he was expecting 2c-b-like effects.

 

[Spazg83]

I don't mean to scare anyone anymore, but I just saw this under the Wikipedia entry for Bromo-Dragonfly.

"a Swedish man had to have the front part of his feet and several fingers on one hand amputated after taking a massive overdose. Apparently the compound acted as a long-acting efficacious vasoconstrictor, leading to necrosis and gangrene which was delayed by several weeks after the overdose occurred. Several other cases have also been reported of severe peripheral vasoconstriction following overdose with Bromo-DragonFLY, and a similar case is also known from DOB. Treatment was of limited efficacy in this case although tolazoline is reportedly an effective treatment where available.[8][9]"

If this is true and I'm reading it right, then people who took this might want to visit with their doctors and see what can be done to prevent necrosis and gangrene from showing up.

Like I said, I don't mean to scare people. Just saw this and I didn't know if people were aware of it yet.

 

[barstool hooligan]

Apparently the compound acted as a long-acting efficacious vasoconstrictor, leading to necrosis and gangrene which was delayed by several weeks after the overdose occurred

Would taking aspirin (thins down the blood) daily be a possible prevention?
Garlic is well-known to wide the veins.
I think I´ll combine that.

We need more info about the 1mg doses.

What do you want to know?

 

[joanmiro]

More info:

The TLC result showed 2 distinguishable stains (one on top of the other, almost together), one of which could be bromo-dragonfly, the other might be anything...

Is this from EC?

Is there a link you can send me?

 

[nuke]

That's weird, on the TLC. The reaction to DOB-Dragonfly proceeds from DOB-Fly which doesn't usually go all through to completion and so maybe they didn't bother separating their product afterwards.

 

[cegli]

That's weird, on the TLC. The reaction to DOB-Dragonfly proceeds from DOB-Fly which doesn't usually go all through to completion and so maybe they didn't bother separating their product afterwards.

That was my thought as well. Maybe it's a mix of DOB-Fly and DOB-DragonFly.

From other reports of DOB-DragonFly, it definitely doesn't seem like a direct match.

For instance:

Oh and hugo's correct, I was in contact with someone who synthed some bromodragonfly (DOB dragonfly) and he consumed the racaemic compound in doses of up to 16mg and lived to tell the tale (he did trip for 120+ hours though off the 16mg dose)

Trip of 120+ hours with no death from 16mg. That doesn't match at all. I wouldn't be surprised if it is one part of the chemical though.

 

[sh4mw0w]

Okay wait is DOB-fly the same thing as 3c-b-fly? Cause if so that makes sense. I would suspect this to be a mix of 3c-b-fly (aka DOB-fly) and bromo-dragonfly.

In terms of gangrene delayed by weeks, I think this would be uncommon. Just watch for any signs of necrosis in outer tissues. Death of fingers and toes is pretty hard to miss. At first signs of necrosis (swelling, black spots, ) in fingers and toes go to hospital. I doubt this will be a problem just keep an eye out for it. Take hot showers. Don't sit in front of the computer for 18hours at a time. Take walks etc so you don't get thrombosis.

Yes aspirin is an excellent idea. Just don't take too much. 0.325g a day should be more than sufficient. Stop taking it for a few days if you hear ringing in your ears -- this is a sign you have saturated some enzyme systems of which aspirin is irreversible inhibitor (I believe they are enzymes involved in prostaglandin synthesis)

Garlic is also a potent vasodilator. Also drink lots of fluids in order to pee out the 3c-b-fly / bromo-dragonfly or whatever contaminant is in there. I really strongly think we are dealing with 3c-b-fly at some amount but that's my opinion.

The 2 stains in TLC almost invariably points to crappy manufacturing. Kudos to whoever ran the column. My money is still on 3c-b-fly as the culprit.

 

[cegli]

Okay wait is DOB-fly the same thing as 3c-b-fly? Cause if so that makes sense.

Yep, they are the same thing.

I only have a basic understanding of TLC. The fact that there are two spots means there are two different compounds, but how are we sure that one of them is Bromo-Dragonfly? Is that just a guess?

 

[sh4mw0w]

If the TLC stains are so close together, that means the two compounds are almost the same mass. 3c-b-fly and bromo-dragonfly are only 4 Daltons apart in mass.

I think preliminary results from someone's tests indicated the presence of bromo-dragonfly-- perhaps among other things (3c-b-fly aka DOB-fly). Also we can pretty much assume that one of the active drugs was an amphetamine fly/dragonfly analog due to its ridiculous potency, as well as cardiovascular / hypertensive effects

 

[vecktor]

That's weird, on the TLC. The reaction to DOB-Dragonfly proceeds from DOB-Fly which doesn't usually go all through to completion and so maybe they didn't bother separating their product afterwards.

fits if the manufacturer was simply cutting the commercially available bromodragonfly with another compound and passing it off as 2-cb-fly.

 

[vecktor]

If the TLC stains are so close together, that means the two compounds are almost the same mass. 3c-b-fly and bromo-dragonfly are only 4 Daltons apart in mass.

TLC doesn't work like that, compounds are separated by polarity, and the fully aromatic dragonfly is quite a bit more non polar than the tetrahydro fly compound

 

[cegli]

fits if the manufacturer was simply cutting the commercially available bromodragonfly with another compound and passing it off as 2-cb-fly.

Good point. We also can't rule out the chance that they got confused and thought they were suppose to make 2C-B-DragonFly, and it's a mix of 2C-B-Dragonfly and 2C-B-Fly. The duration makes me think it's 2C-B-Fly/DragonFly, but the potency makes me think it's 3C-B-Fly/Dragonfly. Hmmm...

Edit:

TLC doesn't work like that, compounds are separated by polarity, and the fully aromatic dragonfly is quite a bit more non polar than the tetrahydro fly compound

Oh, hmmm... that changes things. God, who knows what it could be then. GC/MS needed for sure.

 

[sh4mw0w]

TLC doesn't work like that, compounds are separated by polarity, and the fully aromatic dragonfly is quite a bit more non polar than the tetrahydro fly compound

Ah okay, you're right. I assumed it was the same as GC where compounds come over measured in minutes , seperated by mass. It's been a few years. Thanks.

 

[nuke]

fits if the manufacturer was simply cutting the commercially available bromodragonfly with another compound and passing it off as 2-cb-fly.

Yeah, my bad. Pretty useless without controls/RF values to go by from standards, I guess.