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☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Mislabeled Batch of 2C-B-Fly That Has Caused Deaths

Hi guys ... it's 100ug required for analysis, not 100mg. That's less than a milligram. It''s better to send a smaller amount since this stuff appears really toxic.

I'm not sure how to break down one person having the substance and another having a money order. If people can figure out how to handle that, contact me and I will provide you with the name of the lab I use and help whoever it is fill out the forms.

Generally though, you include 1) the sample 2) the analysis form and 3) the payment, check or money order made out to the lab.

Then a couple of business days later you will get back a mass spec. Feel free to contact me for help with the forms etc and the lab's name once the logistics are figured out.
 
Yeah doesnt look paid up yet...

Well I'd love it if we could get this stuff to a lab. $80 aint a big hit on the wallet.

I suppose whoever HAS some of the stuff could actually send it off, and perhaps we could all paypal to that person or something to that effect to help move this thing along?

I'd be happy to pledge a ten spot of US dollars.
 
delsymfan said:
I suppose whoever HAS some of the stuff could actually send it off, and perhaps we could all paypal to that person or something to that effect to help move this thing along?

I'd be happy to pledge a ten spot of US dollars.
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Yeah I could easily contribute 20-30 bucks, paypal sounds like a good idea.
 
I'll contribute $20 as well, if it is needed - Paypal is easiest for me. I've been following this thread for several days now, and I'd love to help out any way I can. I am extremely curious as to what this substance actually is.
 
nuke said:
So, anyway, if anyone out there is trying to figure out what's in this I'd recommend to identify it that you:
1. Run a GC/MS analysis on the compound. If I had to guess I'd say it's soluble in chloroform, if not H2O. With the gas chromatograph you'll be able to see whether or not this is a pure compound. The mass spectrum should provide some kind of clue as to what's in it.
2. Run 1H NMR on the compound as well if it's pure. That should clearly differentiate which of the flies it is (saturated vs. unsatured) as well as clarify the structure.

From that I think we should be able to figure out what's going on here -- cheaper labs will do both for around $400 total, maybe more or less if you know someone. I'm not all that great at reading MS or NMR but I could give it a try and I know there are some other talented chemists here who are very skilled.
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Good stuff sir! I have a place I use thats slightly under $80. In terms of NMR that's a good idea to check for furan saturation. I've never used NMR for QC. Can't one simply use Mass Spec look for the absence of the four aromatic hydrogens, which would result in a mass spec 4 Daltons lower than expected?

ie. run GC/MS or LC/MS ...


supposed compound:
2c-b-fly: 284.15 Daltons <-- expected mass peak of 2c-b-fly


contaminant analysis:

-If you get a primary mass peak 4 Daltons lower , at 280.15 Da, then it's probably the unsaturated furan analog 2c-b-dragonfly.

-If you get a primary mass peak 14 Daltons higher, at 298.15 Da, then it's probably the saturated amphetamine analog 3c-b-fly.

-If you get a primary mass peak 10 Daltons higher, at 294.15 Da, then it's probably the unsaturated amphetamine analog bromo-dragonfly.



I think those numbers are right, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. My reasoning is as follows...


details:

1) In the first probable contaminant, 2c-b-dragonfly, we lose 4 hydrogens aka 4 Daltons due to unsaturation of the furan rings.

2) In the second probable contaminant, 3c-b-fly, we gain one alpha-methyl carbon (12 Daltons) and two new hydrogens (2 Daltons) for a total of 14 Daltons in extra mass.

3) In the third probable contaminant, bromo-dragonfly, we lose 4 hydrogens (4 Daltons) due to the furan ring unsaturation, but we gain an alpha-methyl carbon and two hydrogens (14 Daltons ), for a net change in mass of +10 Daltons from the expected mass peak.


Oh also I think you have to add +1 to all of these numbers for the positive scan ionization but that's gonna be fairly obvious cause all the peaks are just shifted over by one.

Comments welcome
 
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I'm actually not sure how people feel about this, but I've been spreading this news to recreational drug users I know. I feel it's important that they know that the "potential risks" of consuming "research chemicals" are not of the same importance as "CAUTION MAY BE HOT" on your coffee, ya know? I'm making sure this news isn't getting to concerned parents as well as I can though, I'm sure noone here would appreciate a FOX news special on internet murder drugs.
 
"CAUTION MAY BE HOT" = "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION"

The warning is there. Some of us choose to ignore it.
 
Volcano said:
"CAUTION MAY BE HOT" = "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION"

The warning is there. Some of us choose to ignore it.
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Right of course haha.

I'm not sure if it's ok to mention this here, but I offer more popular 2C's to various friends and acquaintances so they can experience their effects. Just so i don't feel evil, I tell every new experiencer a re-worded version of the erowid.org RC warning. I honestly make it sound scary, I've scared away some people from trying them, which is good IMO. But not all of them take these warnings seriously. Or they understand what it's saying, but just think "Oh that's just essentially a disclaimer, there's no chance I'll actually get fucked over".
 
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Hopefully this never reaches any major news media outlet.
It has no business there.

This community, erowid, and all of the highly involved forum discussions related to the recent deaths. Shows that 'we' here, are in fact highly educated intelligent people, who like to find out the truth, and to make sure the truth is known. and that all the warnings and precautions that everyone generally takes before handling these substances, was met with the highest reguard, in informing and making sure, that there is alot of information out there for people to read, before they too consumed that tainted product, You guys, 'DID' something, it could have reached a magnitude of atrocious proportions. You are Life savers, for being so involved.


The last thing we need is fox news or CNN making the whole world aware of the faceted world of RC's and causing it to become another illegal tainted black mark in humanities history book.


It's because of you guys, that it has stayed out of the major media outlets. We have provided alot of awareness and support within the community to make sure that everyone who has received the product, disposes of the product through the proper channels, and does not consume it.

You are all Incredibly amazing people, I have been away on vacation, and to come back, and read all of this, simply boggles my mind...

Please everyone, keep your hearts and minds open for those that have been lost.
Pray that this never happens again under any circumstance.
and for the love of god! NO ONE decide to test it out, at small doses.

You Do NOT Want to DIE for the sake of curiosity.

My heart goes out to those that have died. I can only hope that those who have consumed the product recover quickly, and that there are no lifelong adverse effects from the idiot chemist who manufactured the nightmare powder. You are all Great, amazing, strong, wonderful people. Everyone please becareful, Lets hope something like this never happens again.
 
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This wouldn't be unlikely considering the large amounts of RC's you can find in Denmark and alot of the vendors dont know what half of the shit is, allot of those "legal high" smart shop's still sell RC's and are fairly easy to obtain...

Combine that with the fact that allot of the RC's like 2C have been dubbed other names and are sold under a completely different name that doesn't give you any idea of the original content of the drug.

I know one vendor in Copenhagen was selling 2C-B as "Champagne acid" or some bullshit like that and the packaging gave no other information than a brief explanation to put one capsule in your choice of beverage and it will make the drink bubbly and fun like champagne.

the amount of RC's available in Denmark is crazy and not everyone is blessed with the knowledge of BL,Erowid.org,etc and similar internet resources which we use to maximize enjoyment and minimize risk.
 
I think the people who have taken this compound and survived will be just fine.

The toxic effects appear to be related to vasoconstriction/vasospasm , tachycardia, etc. There might have been a small amount of dopaminergic/serotonergic toxicity as well, but I can't imagine it'd be worse than high dose methamphetamine. In terms of neurotoxicity the brain is very resiliant and has alot of plasticity. I think most who have taken this compound by accident will be okay within several weeks.

My suggestions to those who have been exposed to this stuff is to see your doctor and get several weeks worth of benzodiazepines. This will help your brain forget the experience (anterograde amnesia) and will minimize stress during recovery.

After that, if there are still negative effects, I have seen great success using piracetam and related *racetams to treat HPPD. I doubt this mystery compound is as toxic as somethng like, say, MPTP, -- whatever this stuff was (3c-b-fly in my opinion), it probably just overwhelms the oxidative systems like glutathione and superoxide dimutase , probably killing off a few dopamine cells, causing cardiac arythmias, hypertensive crisis, etc supposing it is a run-of-the-mill toxic hallucinogenic amphetamine.

Anyway, so anyone who was exposed, get on a few weeks (2-4 weeks) of Xanax, Valium, or Klonopin, taper off the dosage slowly, then take piracetam (2-4g daily). You can also add ALCAR (acetyl-l-carnitine) , in doses of 2-6g//day. ALCAR supports mitochondrial energy metabolism, counters amphetamine toxicity, and supports neurogenesis.

To those who accidently took this stuff and survived, I think you will be 95% back to normal within a month or two regardless. My prayers go out for Brian and anyone else who did not make it.
 
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yeah agreed Im sure the effects are only temporary, at least I hope so. Given that its a long acting compound though its expected that they will linger.

So since we have some possible lab connects now, whos got some willing to send out? We clearly dont need much. Whoever sends it, we could send money to that person and pool our resources and get some answers.
 
Joan Miro. Amazing report on Erowid there.

Thanks for sharing. <3

You too LoveBlue. You two are saving lives. I have a feeling it won't be long till we have results, the organizations are in the process; I can feel it.

Thanks for everything. <3
 
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sh4mw0w said:
Good stuff sir! I have a place I use thats slightly under $80. In terms of NMR that's a good idea to check for furan saturation. I've never used NMR for QC. Can't one simply use Mass Spec look for the absence of the four aromatic hydrogens, which would result in a mass spec 4 Daltons lower than expected?

ie. run GC/MS or LC/MS ...
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You can, but it's always nice to verify that everything is positioned as expected in case you get something unexpected from the mass spectrum. Since we have the GC/MS results from pure products from the DEA it's not really necessary, but in my lab we pretty much always run our products by both to make sure (since it doesn't take long).
 
Additional information:

I have had no effects since the Sunday October Fourth. I was still having minimal visuals while still at the hospital. It lasted until late Sunday after noon.

While at the hospital, the first time I saw them empty the catheter, the urine was brown and very dirty looking. I remember being very thirsty during the entire incident, but unable to keep the water from coming back up.

I read Joan Miro's trip report on Erowid. This made me recall the fact that I was shivering, yet felt over heated, and even was snuggling under a blanket during parts of my experience.

I hope some one can figure what the substance is, since we have not heard much from the toxicologist.

To JoanMiro:
I am glad you are alive. I have cried tears of joy at the fact that you lived. Keep on having fun, but do it safely. I am sure I will.

To VidaVerde:
Thank you for taking care of JoanMiro. I wish I could have helped him in person. You are a very good friend.

To barstool hooligan:
I would love to hear about your experience with the stuff. Perhaps, with the addition of your story, some one may narrow down what the substance is.
 
I've been looking around and have not come across any more incidents related to this particular disaster; but has anything new turned up (ie analysis of said substance or other health problems) as of late???
 
I likewise have kept a tab on google and various news feeds. Im hoping it doesnt hit mainstream, but i havent heard much else.

I also have been attempting to make contact with the vendor. They did remove the 2c-b-fly page, so somebody has to have access to it.

I wasnt even pestering him for money, mainly to know how many people may have gotten it, if theres any way we can help spread word, etc...

No reply though.
 
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