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☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Mislabeled Batch of 2C-B-Fly That Has Caused Deaths

clearly china cannot be trusted in these matters....across all product categories you find stories like this....

it would be great if one of the RC vendors stepped up, offered independent testing, and then in return for their effort, they could charge more.
 
I posted up the data on wikipedia also, and blabbed on the discussion page hoping to persuade admins. They didnt bite. Took it down on me too. Pissing me off. Whats so "unconfirmed" about it? But whatever.

And as far as vendor behavior. I think we all know theres not much quality control. But then again, some of the responsibility rests on us too. We should be testing things at small levels (like .5mg or 1mg) before downing 15-18-20 or whatever a normal dose of it is.

Had he have done that perhaps he'd still be alive, we'd all have been informed, and we'd all have refunds..

Sure its best to send it off to a lab but most people aren't going to do that. But adding one small step of a tiny sampling could do wonders for our safety. And cost virtually nothing.
 
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nonsense

Where Wolf? said:
A lot of people want, it seems, to blame this death on prohibition - might as well blame Shulgin. Actually, it makes a LOT more sense to blame Shulgin
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That's like saying the inventor of the screw driver is to blame for the death of someone who slipped and impaled himself with a screwdriver. After all, if he'd never invented it, the other guy would never have fallen on one... right? I'm being sarcastic. That's utter nonsense!

One cannot rightly say that prohibition is the cause of this guys death. That's not true. His death would have been far less likely were there no prohibition against drugs, but the cause of his death were his actions alone. The "Chinese" (we're assuming it's Chinese...) factory maybe engaged in fraud, but the fault ultimately lies with him. He did not confirm his products' contents, right? He dosed himself, right?

Where Wolf? said:
I think ALL of us who use and buy RCs are complicit in the creation of the culture that caused this death. He was a kid, he's dead, and reading this thread from the beginning makes me sick, and does a lot to explain why governments and electorates worldwide hold us drug users in contempt.
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Well, I hold them in contempt, so the feeling's mutual.

And I am not complicit in this dude's death. Did I "create" a "culture"? Hell no. Did a culture kill him? Um... that's utter nonsense again! Did I kill him? No. Did I tell him to take drugs? No. Did I sabatoge his scale? No. Did I ever talk to him? No. Did I have anything to do with his death? NO!

P.S. Alexander Shulgin didn't invent/discover 2C-B-FLY.
 
It should come as no surprise to anyone that a vendor in ANY country would fabricate lab results/make mistakes with your order/whatever the fuck.
These vendors are run by people just like you and me. They make mistakes and there is also an obvious language barrier that can make procuring the right substance difficult.
If you don't wish to take the chance you've been sold an inferior product, or an entierly different product altogether, then send a sample to a lab willing to do a GC/MS or similar analysis. If you can't do this or are unwilling, then you take your fate into your own hands and have no one to blame but yourself if/when something goes wrong.

Regarding the whole prohibition thing, there have been reports of legitimate pharmaceutical companies making mistakes with their synthesis and having to recall thousands of products. Just because something is legal dosen't mean it will be synthesized right :\
 
Where Wolf? said:
Someone's dead, is this really the right thread for 'humor'?
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Not humor at all. I was legitimately redirecting people to a good thread on the subject of breastfeeding if they felt so inclined to read/discuss it further.

If there's one person who certainly should not be blamed it's Shulgin. My eyes are on the Chinese lab if I were to lay blame somewhere.

Pointing fingers isn't going to bring anyone back, but the people responsible should be held accountable IMO. I'm sure it wasn't the Chinese lab's intent to kill, it was accidental, but they should be reprimanded for unacceptable and shady practices.

edit: Just realized; of course everything is sold under the disclaimer "Not for Human Consumption" so they're in the clear. It falls on the end consumer as to what they do with it.
 
Stop talking about China. Not only is that source discussion, and a violation of the rules, but there's never been any shred of evidence or hint that this "2C-B-fly" came from China. It's not that hard to synthesize 2C-B-fly in a lab, domestically, in any country.

Any notion that Chinese products or services are somehow shoddy is just racist cliche. This was a clandestine operation. Whether the chemist was Chinese or Danish or American, and whether they operated out of an industrial facility, university laboratory, or their own home they were still cooking up some 2C-B-fly for a 22 year old RC retailer. They almost certainly knew it wasn't for "legitimate" purposes, didn't follow any rules or regulations they didn't have to, and probably won't report it on their income tax. It doesn't matter what the country of origin was, guys.

Maybe the deceased's supplier set him up with the old "hot shot". A hot shot is where someone, often a rival retail heroin dealer, gets your higher level supplier to surprise you as a heroin addict slash dealer with heroin laced with something deadly, or such a whopping dose of pure heroin that you're sure to OD.
 
Coolio said:
Stop talking about China. Not only is that source discussion, and a violation of the rules
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I don't think so. As long as we keep names, companies and "hints" to their information out of the text. It's pretty well known that the majority of the research chemicals (and legitimate pharmaceuticals or other legitimate miscellaneous chemicals) on the market are coming from south-east asia as the original location of synthesis.

Any notion that Chinese products or services are somehow shoddy is just racist cliche.
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You just talked about China. ;)

I don't see the products being shoddy (except for this case), it's mainly the lack of strict QA/QC in their labs. I don't think that's being unfair or untrue. It's not sold for human consumption so they have no regulations they have to live up to.

This was a clandestine operation. Whether the chemist was Chinese or Danish or American, and whether they operated out of an industrial facility, university laboratory, or their own home they were still cooking up some 2C-B-fly for a 22 year old RC retailer. They almost certainly knew it wasn't for "legitimate" purposes, didn't follow any rules or regulations they didn't have to, and probably won't report it on their income tax. It doesn't matter what the country of origin was, guys.
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I wouldn't consider this clandestine. These are registered (most likely) companies operating out of industrial labs. There is no definition of "legitimate purpose" for these chemicals. If someone wanted to order some off the wall completely inactive chemical from one of these companies they could, for the same price (if it's a similar difficulty of synth) and in the same context as buying an active one.

I bet they do claim it on their taxes (except in certain, really shady, completely illegal situations). They don't have to live up to "human consumption" regulations at all. They do however have to live up to regular "manufacture, sell, and pay tax" regulations.

Your right that it could have just as easily been a western lab that cut corners; it's just that this sort of thing has more of a tendency to happen in places where things aren't as tightly regulated as a whole.
 
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Yes, that's also true. 18mg of DOB could certainly do a number on someone especially if they're sensitive.

Assuming at least things are a represented and labeled as what they actually are, they usually aren't shoddy. If the chemical is pure but it's not the actual labeled/represented chemical that's just absolutely sloppy stupidity.

What ti comes down to is that we have to protect ourselves. Until "for human consumption" regulation comes in to practice, it's up to us to figure out the true contents for ourselves. We certainly shouldn't consume any new batch of chemical without at least doing a marquis test on it. Even so, DOB and 2C-B give the same reaction.

You'd have to test a 1-2mg dose before take a regular 2C-B dose.

I and most others here would be more than happy to have an extra 5% (or more) added to the orders so that they get GC/MS'ed before ever leaving the lab.

That said; I wonder what these synthesis labs actually do before sending things off. Even then they could put the wrong label on the damn thing after GC/MS'ing it. :|

{bullet dodging mode}
 
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How do you figure? The product he got could've still been 100% pure, it just wasn't the product he thought it was.
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Also, I guess what I mean is not the chemical being shoddy, but the practice of labeling and organization being shoddy. They could have the best equipment and methods available but if they themselves are shoddy with what they do after the synth, it doesn't do much good to have good synth methods.
 
Burnt you kinda echoed my statements before. How I personally felt prohibition helps spawn these problems, but at the end of the day its the end user who can help decide whether he lives or dies.

I mean, were all grown ups here, we should be smart enough to be doing small samples before diving into a real dose. We dont need mom and dad to tell us "ok sweetie your bottle is at its right temperature" anymore.

And im including myself, because before this, I was a dumbass who'd just take a straight normal dose without even considering the thought that the drug was straight.

But thats like buying candy from a stranger, thats not in a wrapper, and assuming you wont get poisoned. Wouldnt hurt to check right?
 
PepperSocks said:
It's pretty well known that the majority of the research chemicals (and legitimate pharmaceuticals or other legitimate miscellaneous chemicals) on the market are coming from south-east asia as the original location of synthesis.
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No, it's not well known. Can you provide a single source?

Nobody other than the vendors knows the origin of who they do business with.
 
I know of someone who ordered 2cb fly. He lives in California. Received it in 2 days, I think!!!

He took it last weekend with his 18 year-old brother and his girlfriend. He and his brother took approximately 10mg each and the girlfriend took 4mg.

Long story short, he was hospitalized. His girlfriend was hospitalized and did not remember how she got there. His brother died before the paramedics would come in the house.

Erowid has been forwarded the story with contact information of the medical examiner and the police department. They are going to confirm the story.

Love you all!!! Be safe!!!
 
LoveBlue said:
I know of someone who ordered 2cb fly. He lives in California. Received it in 2 days, I think!!!

He took it last weekend with his 18 year-old brother and his girlfriend. He and his brother took approximately 10mg each and the girlfriend took 4mg.

Long story short, he was hospitalized. His girlfriend was hospitalized and did not remember how she got there. His brother died before the paramedics would come in the house.

Erowid has been forwarded the story with contact information of the medical examiner and the police department. They are going to confirm the story.

Love you all!!! Be safe!!!
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dammit.
 
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