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☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Mislabeled Batch of 2C-B-Fly That Has Caused Deaths

So, anyway, if anyone out there is trying to figure out what's in this I'd recommend to identify it that you:
1. Run a GC/MS analysis on the compound. If I had to guess I'd say it's soluble in chloroform, if not H2O. With the gas chromatograph you'll be able to see whether or not this is a pure compound. The mass spectrum should provide some kind of clue as to what's in it.
2. Run 1H NMR on the compound as well if it's pure. That should clearly differentiate which of the flies it is (saturated vs. unsatured) as well as clarify the structure.

From that I think we should be able to figure out what's going on here -- cheaper labs will do both for around $400 total, maybe more or less if you know someone. I'm not all that great at reading MS or NMR but I could give it a try and I know there are some other talented chemists here who are very skilled.
 
If the police have the chemicals, and they decide to test it out (and not just get rid of it, like they probably would with any "normal" drug deaths), it will most likely be followed by a danish ban on the chemical.

The police here has been very strict the last couple of years, banning every new drug they confiscated here and there - thus 4-MMC, Ethylcathinone, Methylone, MDPV and a long range of other research chemicals was made illegal just 6 months after the first reports of customs confiscating it arrived.

They call it prevention of harmful effects, although they nothing of the chemicals other than its structure. Sad that they should be right in this case :/
 
God, this is awful. Someone just posted on a forum I can't link to on bluelight, that their friend in the USA died from this batch. Two other people took it with him and were hospitalized. One is still in critical condition. Maybe I'll try and change the wikipedia article too to warn people...

Edit: Ah, stupid wikipedia took it down and said they're not a drug awareness campaign. That's so stupid. Obviously they're not, but can't they see the possibility that taking it down could directly result in a death...
 
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Yeesh, and right in time for the weekend. I just checked Erowid and they've got a warning up on their 2C-B-Fly main page. That'll probably catch a lot of people, thankfully.
 
cegli said:
God, this is awful. Someone just posted on a forum I can't link to on bluelight, that their friend in the USA died from this batch. Two other people took it with him and were hospitalized. One is still in critical condition. Maybe I'll try and change the wikipedia article too to warn people...
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And they all took small amounts: 4 mgs or less
Effects: Alergic reactions. Convulsions. No trip of any kind.
 
Okay, I've set an e-mail to corrections at erowid about the confirmation of the owner's death.

If anyone has this batch of 2c-b-fly (batch 'b1' on the label), please do not ingest it! :(
 
If anyone has this batch of 2c-b-fly (batch 'b1' on the label), please do not ingest it!
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Is there more than one batch with different substances on each batch?!
 
There's just a picture at another forum of the hazardous product, I imagine they're all this batch.
 
nuke said:
There's just a picture at another forum of the hazardous product, I imagine they're all this batch.
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I just thought there might be different batches as it was discussed earlier that there were different reactions for the marquis test from different people.
 
The molecule drawings on Wikipedia for most of Shulgin's 2,4,5 substituted phenethylamines mistakenly show the substituents as being in the 3,4, and 6 positions. The drawing of the molecule on said labels shows the incorrect, Wikipedia image, with the oxygens in the 3 and 6 positions.

Could it be that this chemical was mis-synthed in this way? Or is that idea crazy? The 3,6 compound is completely unknown as far as I know.
 
^ it is also kind of strange that someone could take 18 mgs and survive, while others would die from 4 mg, or be sent to the hospital from less than 1. it seems more likely to me that these reactions are to some very toxic impurity (hell, even if it is 99% pure, there are many things that could still cause death in 1% of 18mg), perhaps this impurity is not distributed consistently throughout the batch? the whole thing raises so many questions


the whole thing also really makes me reconsider my own RC use. i have used DPT from this same vendor with no problems, but who knows what could have been in it if something lethal slipped through this easily. maybe it is time to limit my use to plant/fungus psychedelics (IMO they are the best anyway).
 
3,6 is analogous to 2,5, but 2,5 is correct because the first substituent would be in the 2-position rather than the 3-position. Flip it upside-down; they should be the same thing.
 
moniorojo said:
I just thought there might be different batches as it was discussed earlier that there were different reactions for the marquis test from different people.
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my friend's was the "b1" batch from the deceased vendor, his marquis was over a yr old, but every other material recently checked with it fine, and it behaved "properly"

his marquis reaction was: brown, with a light blue ring developing around the edge after 15 seconds or so...

Mecke went deep blue

he disposed of his sample
 
effingcustie said:
the whole thing also really makes me reconsider my own RC use. i have used DPT from this same vendor with no problems, but who knows what could have been in it if something lethal slipped through this easily. maybe it is time to limit my use to plant/fungus psychedelics (IMO they are the best anyway).
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I personally cant go that far. But this has taught me a valuable lesson:

From now on, every single time I get something, I will try it at a very minute amount. Because, if I had received my 2C-B-FLY and tried say 1mg or .5mg, I'd be alive. I'd also know it was something not to fuck with.

My initial plan was a 17mg trip. Glad I didnt get it, or I'd probably be being talked about right here.

Anyway fact is, there is risk involved. These situations are VERY rare, but if we show some patience and display a more cautious approach, deaths can be avoided if a freak situation like this occurs.

Any more info on USA deaths? I figured there had to be some more. God this is so messed up.
 
This is fucking bad, really fucking bad! (For everybody, those who bought, those who do research chems, and especially those who have died.)

This thread initially had me really sad, but I think there is a lot more bad stuff to come. At first I saw this as a death of a vendor from what was probably a bad synth, but now that a US citizen (This isn't patriotism here, an imported research chem killing a citizen is probably gonna draw some attention. ) has dropped this could turn out pretty rough in the eyes of the law.
 
cegli said:
Maybe I'll try and change the wikipedia article too to warn people...
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I was going to say if you do this make sure you make it apparent that these reactions are caused by a synthesis malfunction and are not the effects of actual 2C-B-fly; thereby taking the association of death away from the substance itself. Also for fair measure, maybe state that this is a direct effect of the lack of QA/QC or regulation in the field.

Edit: Ah, stupid wikipedia took it down and said they're not a drug awareness campaign. That's so stupid. Obviously they're not, but can't they see the possibility that taking it down could directly result in a death...
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That really burns my britches. Sure they're not a "drug awareness" site specifically such as Erowid, but aren't they an "awareness" site in general, spreading any available information to the world?

Where is the justice? :X
 
PepperSocks said:
That really burns my britches. Sure they're not a "drug awareness" site specifically such as Erowid, but aren't they an "awareness" site in general, spreading any available information to the world?

Where is the justice? :X
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Yeah, what the fuck is that?

Obviously they're not an interest group, but drugs or not, their refusal to spread current information that could save a life is pretty insane.
 
As if all of this wasn't bad enough, I turned on the TV tonight and saw a preview for the local news saying "Toxic marijuana that may cause overdoses is being distributed - TONIGHT AT 11!". I realize that this doesn't have a thing to do with the subject of this thread, but its just another blatant example of why drugs should be legal and regulated.

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turned out to be Datura mixed with pot
 
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nopipesdfw said:
This thread initially had me really sad, but I think there is a lot more bad stuff to come. At first I saw this as a death of a vendor from what was probably a bad synth, but now that a US citizen (This isn't patriotism here, an imported research chem killing a citizen is probably gonna draw some attention. ) has dropped this could turn out pretty rough in the eyes of the law.
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Yeah - if enough media attention is given to this case (which it likely will be), I would be surprised if 2c-b-fly does not end up scheduled in the U.S. with other countries likely to follow as is often the case. Overseas RC vendors will also probably start to be monitored more closely again :\
 
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