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WARNING ---Heavily cut Heroin - West Birmingham Vs 0800-SaveAvein, tell a friend

Good for you stee. It's great to see you have a positive goal like that. Just think that the next time the warm weather comes you could be opiate free...... Just don't try And do it the way I did. I wouldn't wish that level of suffering on anyone but do it right and it doesn't need to be like that. It can be done relatively pain free if you have a proper plan which you have. Good luck mate I'll be rooting for you.
 
steewith2ees said:
I appreciate your concern and advise but alot of it will have arrived with the benefit of hindsight.
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Never a truer word spoken. But the benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing - and if mine or other peoples' experience can help prevent anyone else from going the same way, then that's also good. Don't put yourself down Stee, it sounds like you have a lot to offer mate.
 
steewith2ees said:
Im very concious of damaging my veins which is why I still smoke 95% of my heroin. Ive tried to explain the rationale for doing it and on the odd occasion when I cant get my usual sites to register I will throw the shot away sooner than start poking anywhere and everywhere in desperation to get a hit - you dont have to believe this if you dont want to but its a fact. I know its a bad road to go down but seeing as Im stuck on methadone with nothing to offer anyone or anything, I will still continue to use heroin on a weekend as its the one time of the week that I can genuinely escape from the general pointlessness of my existence. As soon as my doctor will allow me to to start a reduction I will make every effort to stick to my prescription as I will have an incentive to not use on top, as I will be allowed to commence a 15 week residential rehab unit as soon as Im opiate free.

In the meantime though I have nothing in my life that gives me any comfort so I will continue to get high untill my dsp allows me to start working towards being opiate free. One IV shot a week is one too many but thats how I roll at the moment. Due to my high tolerance, this is the only way I can get propered at present but Ill always prefer taking the time to enjoy a toot rather than slam the lot in one go. I know how fucked peoples veins end up - I probably use less heroin IV than any other injectors on here. But untill such time as I have something to live for, my weekly heroin sessions are the only form of genuine contentment I can get. Im sorry but thats my life, im a fucking loser with no friends and as such I will continue to self medicate untill the opportunity comes to try and get out of it.

I appreciate your concern and advise but alot of it will have arrived with the benefit of hindsight. I have neither the money or the constitution to go down the IV route as a primary ROA - my arms are free of track marks and as I have already iterated I refuse to use any other veins. I know the ones I use wont last for ever but as a former staff nurse with phlebotomy training I consider myself as having good injection technique and if the rehab does what im hoping it will, my current aspiration is to be opiate free by the summer with my veins still lintact.
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If you want to reduce your methadone tell your keyworker you would like to reduce it. It's your recovery take control of it :)

What plans do you have in place to stop you using on top conpared with now? Not trying to have a go - just giving you something to think about.

Do you think that methadone is really n truly helping you? The point of maintenance is to stop you using opiates. If you are using on top then something is very wronh. Have you ever tried suboxone?

Have you had any psychological support to get to the riute of your addiction issues? Have you tried recovery groups which would help you meet new people n hopefully get self-worth. You can get help but the professionals can only do so much to help you.

Wishing you well <3

Evey
 
Eveleivibe said:
If you want to reduce your methadone tell your keyworker you would like to reduce it. It's your recovery take control of it :)

What plans do you have in place to stop you using on top conpared with now? Not trying to have a go - just giving you something to think about.

Do you think that methadone is really n truly helping you? The point of maintenance is to stop you using opiates. If you are using on top then something is very wronh. Have you ever tried suboxone?

Have you had any psychological support to get to the riute of your addiction issues? Have you tried recovery groups which would help you meet new people n hopefully get self-worth. You can get help but the professionals can only do so much to help you.

Wishing you well <3

Evey
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Im a heroin addict. For 10 years I have been round and round the revolving door of recovery and relapse. Every time I got clean before, ive done it on my own ct. But since my most recent relapse the situation at home was so chaotic that despite constant attempts at another diy detox i could never get past the third day without cracking. But as I was now out of work, I couldnt afford to maintain a habit anyway. I used AH-9271 for a couple of months to stave off withdrawls (a much cheaper habit - I only had to use it every other day so 2 grams (about 80 quid) would last me a month. But with the situation being so bad at home I thought id do the adult thing and go into treatment - something which id tried so hard to avoid for a decade as i didnt want to become beholden to methadone. So I reluctantly went, asked about the possibility if a buprenorphine prescription. The doctor said no I was to go straight onto a 60mg 'therapeutic' dose of methadone which made getting high very difficult, but not impossible. However, as it was pointless using heroin during the week, my usage of street heroin decreased by 80% in the first 2 months. Now I know that doesnt sound very impressive but to me it was close to a 180. But as I was still giving them occasional dirty samples, it was raised to 70mls. But by sticking to the best gear I could get I could still get high on a sunday (as I can take home my weekend doses and give them a miss if needs be) But it turned getting high into a combination of timing, patience and making sure I used at least half decent heroin at a minimum. But In order to keep this small window open Ive had to make sure I exercise as much restraint as I can, and in order to guarantee opiate free drug screens every time I now keep it clean for a week prior to my key worker and consultant visits. This I have only shared with my key worker as the consultant will raise my methadone again to completely prevent any usage at all. But untill such time as I can get the opportunity to get 'clean' I will continue to use. My key worker is sympathetic to my situation as Im honest enough to tell her that I cant survive without getting high and all the methadone in the world isnt going to stop me using drugs - which is why I believe a residential rehabilitation is the only chance I have of changing my thinking. There has been a couple of periods this year where I havnt used heroin at all, the first lasting a month, the second 3 weeks. But did I feel any better? I know what its like to feel clean, when you know youve finally rid your body of gear and you feel exhilarated in both mind and body. But despite not using for weeks at a time, I still felt as shitty and run down as any junkfuck as I was still full of methadone.

So I use on top because it makes no difference to my current situation. The methadone means I dont have to use most of the time and since I started treatment 18 months ago it has ultimately reduced my street gear use by >90%. The 3 weekends a month I can get high Ill hang onto if nobody minds - I find my only real solace on these occasions and until such time as Im allowed to start a reduction and planning for rehab nothing in my head is going to change.

Maintenance is not a cure for opiate addiction, its a stop gap that allows you to stabilise your life so you can plan how to become opiate free. Until im on a reduction i have no incentive to completely abstain from drugs considering they are the only company I have.

Im not here to justify my behavior, I just try my best to explain it. When you have had a 21 year obsession with drugs of all kinds it takes a little more than a daily dollop of green slime to change your mindset
 
I found methadone a weird drug. Over t be course of 20years in pain management I was prescribed every opiate in thee BNF and am the first to admit I abused some of the most 'enjoyable " ones. (namely oxycodone and dipipernone) but after not being able to get away with fentanyl patches the pain clinic put me on 60mg physeptone tablets 3times a day. I found at first that this made me as high as any other opiate I'd had even though my gp said this was impossible (he was an arsehole) but on the odd occasion I found a strip of mst or oxycontin in the cupboard they did nothing as meth is a very effective blocker at that dose. It's a conundrum though when you want off to actually go the opposite direction and raise your methadone. I eventually got sick of the continuing hoops I was expected to go through and just quit ct. After several months off I still don't feel right and have days where I feel actually terrible. The initial withdrawals however were something else. They were truly hell. I I just wanted to die. Didn't eat or sleep for weeks, couldn't get out of bed and when I did ended up collapsing and ended up in A&E. While it does have its uses IMO methadone is a an awful drug to come off. Admittedly i did it the wrong way but now I'm wondering if I'll ever be right again.

Sorry for the irrelevant rant folks but feeling pretty down today :(
 
@ScotchMist The photos you posted of what was left in the spoon after cooking up was pretty damn bad looking. We've all had gear that doesn't all disolve upon cooking but i have never seen as much stuff left in the spoon after cooking as what your photos showed. Looks rough to me, just ensure to filter it as best as you possibly can.
 
maxalfie said:
@ScotchMist The photos you posted of what was left in the spoon after cooking up was pretty damn bad looking. We've all had gear that doesn't all disolve upon cooking but i have never seen as much stuff left in the spoon after cooking as what your photos showed. Looks rough to me, just ensure to filter it as best as you possibly can.
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I never dissolve all the powder upon cooking up a bag. Whatevers left in the spoon after you have added a pinch of citric acid and a little heat just isnt heroin, which dissolves readily with a tiny amount of citric and minimal heating. When I keep getting shouted at about my veins collapsing, I think of all the users who just keep adding more and more citric until most or all of the powder has dissolved. This is what accelerates vein damage, shooting solutions with a ridiculously low pH in the false belief that most of the powder you have dissolved is heroin. Think about what the average purity of street gear is in the UK. Even if I was lucky enough to be getting street powders of 50% purity (which I doubt is the case most of the time) i would expect at least half of the bag to be left undissolved before I start to filter.

Alot of people think they are wasting gear if they dont dissolve as much of it as possible. To re - iterate for the final time: what doesn't dissolve upon first pass of heat and contact with catalyst isn't gear. If you insist on dissolving all of the cuts as well, thankfully most of them wont do you too much harm but the highly acidic liquid you have know created will act like napalm on your wiring.
 
I do know how to cook up gear and how little citric is needed but I've never had that much crap left in the spoon.
 
maxalfie said:
@ScotchMist The photos you posted of what was left in the spoon after cooking up was pretty damn bad looking. We've all had gear that doesn't all disolve upon cooking but i have never seen as much stuff left in the spoon after cooking as what your photos showed. Looks rough to me, just ensure to filter it as best as you possibly can.
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Neither have I Max ( nice to see you around btw:)), that's why I thought it'd be wise to put a thread up. When Stee said it was normal I did question myself as i haven't been using pins myself very long at all, a very short period considering the length of my habit.

But I have been around IV use for a considerable time and I've never seen so much crap left over. Folk will try, and succeed with enough acid to break it down. It's not just an issue of damaged veins, there's also the risk of injecting particles into your system with sloppy filtering. I know this is an issue with any shot but this stuff really does not look like it's very good for you at all..

That's what prompted me to buy these filters. They work really well, cost pennies and you lose less product than with a cig filter.. what's not too like.. though I did stab myself in the finger when one of them was determined not to come off.. then it did unexpectedly and in the frenzy put the pin right into my finger :)

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I got them directly from the company that supplies the NHS for the exchange.

I've found a different source of gear which is much better and cleaner.
 
steewith2ees said:
I never dissolve all the powder upon cooking up a bag. Whatevers left in the spoon after you have added a pinch of citric acid and a little heat just isnt heroin, which dissolves readily with a tiny amount of citric and minimal heating. When I keep getting shouted at about my veins collapsing, I think of all the users who just keep adding more and more citric until most or all of the powder has dissolved. This is what accelerates vein damage, shooting solutions with a ridiculously low pH in the false belief that most of the powder you have dissolved is heroin. Think about what the average purity of street gear is in the UK. Even if I was lucky enough to be getting street powders of 50% purity (which I doubt is the case most of the time) i would expect at least half of the bag to be left undissolved before I start to filter.

Alot of people think they are wasting gear if they dont dissolve as much of it as possible. To re - iterate for the final time: what doesn't dissolve upon first pass of heat and contact with catalyst isn't gear. If you insist on dissolving all of the cuts as well, thankfully most of them wont do you too much harm but the highly acidic liquid you have know created will act like napalm on your wiring.
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I've heard that those single serving yellow and white sachets of citric should be enough to cook up half to a full gram of kit. I often see people people use a whole sachet for one tenner bag of kit. How much of the sachet should be used for a tenner bag of decent kit?


OP: Where did you get those scales that go as low at thousandths of a gram and did they cost you much? For reasonable prices of only seen scales that go as low as hundredths of a gram.
 
There's 100mgish in the sachets, 20-30mg should dissolve all of the heroin, and then some. At most you're talking 1/4 of the sachet.

Most users I know use too much citric, they just can't seem to get it into their head that there is some stuff in the powder that is best left in the spoon. That's why they've ended up only left with their groin, ended up there much earlier than they should of anyway :/

The scales were from a laboratory supplier and cost £780.... I keed, from Ebay, I think they was £17.50 or something daft like that, maybe £20. There's loads on there, just search 0.000 scales. For the money they're excellent..

Here you go. Loads and loads
 
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Did anyone else here experience that dreadful gear that was around a couple of years before the 'Great Drought' and had the annoying property of setting into a gelatinous mass after cooking? When water was added, there were clearly tiny particles of a translucent substance suspended in the solution - It also felt gritty to the touch. When heat was added, the particles seemed to dissolve leaving a clear solution. However, when it was drawn up into the rig and left to cool, it set like jelly and was impossible to inject. Had we been sensible, it would have gone straight in the bin, or at least up the arse. But no, we were junkies, and no junkie gives up on a shot when it's so tantalisingly close. Next step was to cut the end off the syringe and eject that crap back into the spoon, add more water and heat to dissolve the gunk again, then transfer into a 2ml syringe and try and hit a vein before it resolidified. There were at least two things VERY wrong with this practise - firstly, injecting a hot acid into a vein is even more damaging than a cool acid; secondly, there was a very real risk of it congealing in the vein and leading to thrombosis, collapsed veins, or worse. Luckily, that gear wasn't around for long and we soon learnt to let the citric do it's stuff without using heat and then filtering the particles out, which left a residue similar to that in the above pictures.

Does anyone know what this stuff could have been? I'm guessing gelatin powder, but why the fuck would anyone cut gear with that when other more benign cuts are readily available? Another guess was crushed methadone tablets, as they contain a binder that gels up if attempting to prepare for injection.

Weird, nasty shit, and I can't believe I persevered with injecting it on several occasions.
 
I can recall a few occasions of people moaning about their gear turning a viscous consistency upon cooling... I know you already know this, but, you wasn't the only one to persist to and probably even past the point of insanity to get it into them via the route they set out on..

I'd be sat their with my foil swinging between smug and sympathetic.

Cuts, particularly in heroin are an interesting topic, seeing as they make up for 90%+ to if you're lucky 10-20% of the whole saga that is heroin. It's got to be the most adulterated drug going. Also, there seems to be no end to the number of concoctions that make it into the end product making batch to batch, dealer to dealer so different. You get some gear that the IV users are raving about, yet no good on foil, and vice versa. Which is obviously not because of the heroin but the reaction of an active cut behaving differently on route..!

Why so many governments continue with the line that keeping the public safe from drugs is seizing containers and chasing cartels is so beyond logical I'd laugh uncontrollably at it if I wasnt suffering the consequences of it. My choice to put myself here and I except that but I still suffer the same. A major reason for adulterated drugs is because border fuckin control just seized 10 tonnes the week before, the law aren't covering the cost, Mr Cartel drug lord doesn't fancy covering it. As per fuckin usual it's those at the bottom pay the price, sadly in these occasions it's with their life. I hope I get to see in my lifetime, be it on drugs or not a reform to policy which does effectively reduce harm.
 
ScotchMist said:
There's 100mgish in the sachets, 20-30mg should dissolve all of the heroin, and then some. At most you're talking 1/4 of the sachet.

Most users I know use too much citric, they just can't seem to get it into their head that there is some stuff in the powder that is best left in the spoon. That's why they've ended up only left with their groin, ended up there much earlier than they should of anyway :/

The scales were from a laboratory supplier and cost £780.... I keed, from Ebay, I think they was £17.50 or something daft like that, maybe £20. There's loads on there, just search 0.000 scales. For the money they're excellent..

Here you go. Loads and loads
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Ahh, that will be why both users I know who use a whole sachet per tenner bag are both hitting up south of the equator. Thanks for your reply, having a look through those scales right now.


@FUBAR: I remember that gear you're talking about first making an appearance in 2008, it had a weird white and fluffy consistency and would run about daft, all day on the foil with a totally transparent beetle. Although the dry up didn't arrive until late 2010 UK Heroin died around Easter 2008.
 
I thought that too, then ended up loving it (obv not suggesting for smack (or anything I suppose) just to be clear!!) ^ never iv'd heroin but meph usually and now I don't do it I do miss it, plus my nose needed a rest lol. Never really knew what I was doing so my BF at the time helped. Don't wanna derail a thread (as important as this one especially) but I've developed an intolerance to citric acid, and was wondering if I want to inject in the future what my options would be, if any?
 
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