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OD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | Tryptamino
WARNING - fentanyl "strips" - EVERYONE READ!
- Thread starter PhreeX
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Damn, that is a wonderfully well designed delivery system for some synthed narcotics. I wouldn't be surprised if this shit eventually outcompetes heroin.
What are the big problems with scoring most drugs? You are unsure of the potency, and content of what you are scoring. You don't want to spend your good money on some badly cut shit. Whoever is packaging these *could* just have cut this powder to hell and sold it as heroin. By putting this small amount in these gel strips they stop anyone later on down the chain from cutting it. In order to cut it they would need to regel it and I doubt they have the knowledge/werewithal to do so. It also makes it very easy to tell how much you are getting...just look at how big your strip is no need for scales or any of this crap.
I am very impressed. It is unfortunate it doesn't have dosing information on it..but I suppose this is a little much to ask for in an illegal drug. Once people get used to the correct dosage I imagine it will actually be safer than normal bags of heroin.
This doesn't sound like something cooked up in someones basement...but an organized attempt to corner the market by some cartel type organization. If its not the cook behind this is completly fucked...I mean I am *sure* the heroin importers are now well aware of the threat this shit poses to their buisness.
My guess is that someone in some heroin cartel figured out that shipping in tons of heroin every year was just stupid. They run a simple fentanyl analogue synth in a third world country (why is it appearing in florida first...probably b/c it is still being imported) then sneak in a small package containing millions of doses and gelify the shit here. Hell they might even sneak in the gel strips...probably won't get caught by any dog and wouldn't even look that sucpiscious.
What are the big problems with scoring most drugs? You are unsure of the potency, and content of what you are scoring. You don't want to spend your good money on some badly cut shit. Whoever is packaging these *could* just have cut this powder to hell and sold it as heroin. By putting this small amount in these gel strips they stop anyone later on down the chain from cutting it. In order to cut it they would need to regel it and I doubt they have the knowledge/werewithal to do so. It also makes it very easy to tell how much you are getting...just look at how big your strip is no need for scales or any of this crap.
I am very impressed. It is unfortunate it doesn't have dosing information on it..but I suppose this is a little much to ask for in an illegal drug. Once people get used to the correct dosage I imagine it will actually be safer than normal bags of heroin.
This doesn't sound like something cooked up in someones basement...but an organized attempt to corner the market by some cartel type organization. If its not the cook behind this is completly fucked...I mean I am *sure* the heroin importers are now well aware of the threat this shit poses to their buisness.
My guess is that someone in some heroin cartel figured out that shipping in tons of heroin every year was just stupid. They run a simple fentanyl analogue synth in a third world country (why is it appearing in florida first...probably b/c it is still being imported) then sneak in a small package containing millions of doses and gelify the shit here. Hell they might even sneak in the gel strips...probably won't get caught by any dog and wouldn't even look that sucpiscious.
Sorry to hear that Phreex. Those things have made there way up to Philly. There all over now. I myself & a lot of my friends have tried them, but, we have yet to pull them apart & let the gel turn into powder form. I was waiting to do this. After reading this thread I'm now having second thoughts. Once again I'm sorry for your loss Phreex...
PhreeX
Bluelight Crew
Look, DON'T BE SCARED, BE CAUTIOUS!.. the good thing is the dose seems VERY CONSISTANT, so for a newbie, cut about 15mm of the strip off and seperate .. the strip you buy from one guy will be (for the time being, until someone else figures out how to make them) the same in dose as you get from someone else... I have done dozens of these things from differnt people - always the exact same high...
My guess is they are being shipped into the US as-is, or maybe as one huge sheet or many sheets ..
How do you use them? Simple, cut off the right amount of the strip (or the entire thing if you wish) then seperate the two halves - you just kinda put it between yer thumb and first finger then 'push' thenm apart.. set the exposed halves toward the air and in 2 minutes scrape them with a razor - thats yer drug ... I have not tried it orally..
My guess is they are being shipped into the US as-is, or maybe as one huge sheet or many sheets ..
How do you use them? Simple, cut off the right amount of the strip (or the entire thing if you wish) then seperate the two halves - you just kinda put it between yer thumb and first finger then 'push' thenm apart.. set the exposed halves toward the air and in 2 minutes scrape them with a razor - thats yer drug ... I have not tried it orally..
^^^ to assume dosage is going to be the same is kinda stupid if you ask me. Probably what will happen is she/he will create hype with these awesome dosage levels, then ship out a bunch of shitty doses. This is usually how it goes with this kind of thing.
starlightgemini
Bluelighter
PhreeX, i'm sorry for your loss. i can't imagine the pain of losing a friend 
my thoughts are with you
and though i've never even heard of these strips, or the drug itself, i can say that i appreciate your warning to others. we all know when we do a drug, whatever it may be--that we are taking a risk. some risks are bigger than others. but it doesn't hurt to be reminded that--you never know what may happen
as for the other BL that possibly may have OD'd...any word???? its horrible to think there may have been another death in the community
everyone--for your sake, and the sake of those who love you--please be careful. PhreeX-i know you are NOT stupid (in fact-as far as drugs and usage-you are extremely knowledgeable and intelligent) and i KNOW you had knowledge of the drug you were doing. i'm not saying you weren't careful. as careful as people are sometimes--you NEVER know what could go wrong
we are humans. we are not invinceable (sp?)
love,
~kristen~
my thoughts are with youand though i've never even heard of these strips, or the drug itself, i can say that i appreciate your warning to others. we all know when we do a drug, whatever it may be--that we are taking a risk. some risks are bigger than others. but it doesn't hurt to be reminded that--you never know what may happen
as for the other BL that possibly may have OD'd...any word???? its horrible to think there may have been another death in the community
everyone--for your sake, and the sake of those who love you--please be careful. PhreeX-i know you are NOT stupid (in fact-as far as drugs and usage-you are extremely knowledgeable and intelligent) and i KNOW you had knowledge of the drug you were doing. i'm not saying you weren't careful. as careful as people are sometimes--you NEVER know what could go wrong
we are humans. we are not invinceable (sp?)
love,
~kristen~
Harry@Piekarnia
Ex-Bluelighter
PhreeX:
I'm really sorry to hear about this. Let's try to get the word out about these things so that at least nobody else will die from these things and nobody else has to go thru what you are going thru now.
Let me know what her favourite charity is and I'll paypal a few dollars over to them in memory (I don't send flowers to funerals).
Harry
I'm really sorry to hear about this. Let's try to get the word out about these things so that at least nobody else will die from these things and nobody else has to go thru what you are going thru now.
Let me know what her favourite charity is and I'll paypal a few dollars over to them in memory (I don't send flowers to funerals).
Harry
^^^ right for the most part. I like to vary it up though still. After using heroin consistently, and growing very fond of it, I still am content to shoot up a k4 or something of the pharmaceutical likes. Pharmies make me feel good, mmm. Heroin just does it more effectively.
SqueezeTheShaman
Bluelighter
Its only a problem if it affects your interaction with the rest of the world and your ability to live responsibly and provide for yourself without endangering or adversely affecting others.
I myself give respect to phreeX for being able to enjoy substances and still have a job, life, etc etc.
Moreover, Id gladly take a mod who knows shit-tons about virtually everything, than some moron who has never tried anything....
ups to phreex.
sidenote: i wish these strips would make their way to texas....someone lemme know if you see them around here!
I myself give respect to phreeX for being able to enjoy substances and still have a job, life, etc etc.
Moreover, Id gladly take a mod who knows shit-tons about virtually everything, than some moron who has never tried anything....
ups to phreex.
sidenote: i wish these strips would make their way to texas....someone lemme know if you see them around here!
PhreeX
Bluelight Crew
1) THESE ARE NOT BEING SOLD AS FENTANYL! - they are simply sold as "strips" .. I only assume its fentanyl because it's definitly an "opioid high" and the dose indicates it's fentanyl (only a few mg)
2) Yes, it is foolish to assume that the dose is going to be constant - but for NOW it is as it looks like one person/group is making 100% of the supply ..
3) As for MY USE - look, I work full time - as both a legal assistanst (skip tracing) and a jeweler, I make enough money I could live a nice life and drive a nice car - but I don't, I spend my money on drugs .. I make an honest living - I don't sell drugs, I don't rip people off, I simply chose to live without shit like digital TV's, an X-Box, a 2.3GhZ computer with 19" flat screen ... instead I spend my money on opioids, drive a shitty car, and live with family - at this point in my life it's how I am happiest... back when I only used drugs once a week (rolling at a club) and drove my M3, living in my own place with all the toys .. my live was still devoid of something and opioids have filled that void - when I start breaking into houses to support my habbit (which I have maintained since around 1999) you can tell me to "get help" .. until then I gotta get to sleep so I can get up and go to my legit job...
2) Yes, it is foolish to assume that the dose is going to be constant - but for NOW it is as it looks like one person/group is making 100% of the supply ..
3) As for MY USE - look, I work full time - as both a legal assistanst (skip tracing) and a jeweler, I make enough money I could live a nice life and drive a nice car - but I don't, I spend my money on drugs .. I make an honest living - I don't sell drugs, I don't rip people off, I simply chose to live without shit like digital TV's, an X-Box, a 2.3GhZ computer with 19" flat screen ... instead I spend my money on opioids, drive a shitty car, and live with family - at this point in my life it's how I am happiest... back when I only used drugs once a week (rolling at a club) and drove my M3, living in my own place with all the toys .. my live was still devoid of something and opioids have filled that void - when I start breaking into houses to support my habbit (which I have maintained since around 1999) you can tell me to "get help" .. until then I gotta get to sleep so I can get up and go to my legit job...
HomeWrecker
Bluelighter
shannabanana
Bluelighter
I would do something in this girls memory. I'm usually not the sentimenal type but It would be nice to do something so the girl isn't remebered as some girl who ODed. It sucks but I think many more people will die from these things.
Ketamike
Bluelighter
Dear SqueezeTheShaman
You're out of line with the 'admit you have a problem' comment. A lot of us ODers know that we have a drug problem. But we choose to live with it. Now many will say that it's just affordable recreation. But I know that I am dependent on drugs. Some of us prefer sober life to that which is "chemically maintained".
PhreeX is a moderator to a site which deals with the most immediately dangerous drugs. He posted a warning so that other people would be extra careful. I can almost guarantee that he has saved some lives.
In closing. PhreeX, I mourn your loss. In melancholy times as these, it's nice to imagine all the things you may have been previously skeptical about. I hope that she is in a beautiful place where euphoria is your right, and you don't need a substance to achieve it. I want to goto heaven. And I don't believe in a hell unless you're referring to earth.
Thanks for reading, and in the words of Tupac "Keep ya head up"
[ 05 July 2002: Message edited by: Ketamike ]
You're out of line with the 'admit you have a problem' comment. A lot of us ODers know that we have a drug problem. But we choose to live with it. Now many will say that it's just affordable recreation. But I know that I am dependent on drugs. Some of us prefer sober life to that which is "chemically maintained".
PhreeX is a moderator to a site which deals with the most immediately dangerous drugs. He posted a warning so that other people would be extra careful. I can almost guarantee that he has saved some lives.
In closing. PhreeX, I mourn your loss. In melancholy times as these, it's nice to imagine all the things you may have been previously skeptical about. I hope that she is in a beautiful place where euphoria is your right, and you don't need a substance to achieve it. I want to goto heaven. And I don't believe in a hell unless you're referring to earth.
Thanks for reading, and in the words of Tupac "Keep ya head up"
[ 05 July 2002: Message edited by: Ketamike ]
Squeeze I think you have a horrible misconception about what is valuable for harm reduction.
The notion of a harm reduction website, or any harm reduction information is based on the principle that abstinence education does not work. This is simply true, kids don't abandon marijuanna because the DARE officer tells them it will lead them to a horrible life of crime, rather they come to distrust (and rightly so) everything the DARE officer is telling them. Some drugs are bad for you though.
Harm reduction is based on the principle that providing accurate truthful information about drugs is more benificial than exagerating the risks as users might actually believe the source. Given this background the two most important properties for a harm reduction bulletin board are honesty and accurate information.
Making statements like the one above about not being scared are what causes people to believe what we say when we do emphasize caution. When we suggested that it was a very bad idea to abuse Halothane the posters believe us. After all the same people who have no problem shooting street heroin are telling them not to mess around with this stuff...it must be fucking dangerous.
Does OD sometimes step over the line from harm reduction. Sure. However, this post almost meets the ideal of harm reduction. PhreeX posts about a topical manner involving certain kinds of potentially dangerous street drugs including a cautionary personal experience with these drugs. At the same time he is carefull to edge away from any excesive blame on the drug. Hell presumably facing his own emotional reactions to the situation to provide an unbiased objective assesment of the drug. This is *exactly* what harm reduction should be about.
Ohh and in case you hadn't read the earlier posts this isn't something to be feared. In fact, once the dosage information has been disseminated, the apparent consistancy of effect will make it significantly safer than street heroin. Causing dear and rejection amoung the drug users toward this drug might be incredibly detrimental.
The notion of a harm reduction website, or any harm reduction information is based on the principle that abstinence education does not work. This is simply true, kids don't abandon marijuanna because the DARE officer tells them it will lead them to a horrible life of crime, rather they come to distrust (and rightly so) everything the DARE officer is telling them. Some drugs are bad for you though.
Harm reduction is based on the principle that providing accurate truthful information about drugs is more benificial than exagerating the risks as users might actually believe the source. Given this background the two most important properties for a harm reduction bulletin board are honesty and accurate information.
Making statements like the one above about not being scared are what causes people to believe what we say when we do emphasize caution. When we suggested that it was a very bad idea to abuse Halothane the posters believe us. After all the same people who have no problem shooting street heroin are telling them not to mess around with this stuff...it must be fucking dangerous.
Does OD sometimes step over the line from harm reduction. Sure. However, this post almost meets the ideal of harm reduction. PhreeX posts about a topical manner involving certain kinds of potentially dangerous street drugs including a cautionary personal experience with these drugs. At the same time he is carefull to edge away from any excesive blame on the drug. Hell presumably facing his own emotional reactions to the situation to provide an unbiased objective assesment of the drug. This is *exactly* what harm reduction should be about.
Ohh and in case you hadn't read the earlier posts this isn't something to be feared. In fact, once the dosage information has been disseminated, the apparent consistancy of effect will make it significantly safer than street heroin. Causing dear and rejection amoung the drug users toward this drug might be incredibly detrimental.
EndUser
Bluelighter
R.I.P. to this poor girl; all I gotta say is it'll be a while till this stuff makes it to Pittsburgh and then the shit will hit the fan!