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☠ WARNING ☠ *WARNING* Chronic ketamine/dissociative use causes bladder/organ damage

Years ago I, and most of us didn’t know shit about this.
Now, returning to use dissos more respectfully and also less frequently, and in regards to the therapeutic/medical and meditative aspects to ketamine and related compounds, I’ve been doing more reading up on this subject of bladder damage

If interested in harm reduction, which I’m sure we all are, one thing I think it’s really important for people to remember to stay very well hydrated. We all know how a “too dilute” test works, and I figure it stands to reason that a highly diluted and frequently emptied bladder leaves less time for metabolites to sit.

Other helpful tools I have found:
NAC sounds like a promising supplement
D-mannose
ECGC (or just some green tea an hour or two before a dose


Just some of my findings I thought I would share for anyone else surfing this page wondering about preventative measures. Apologies if this is the wrong place. It seemed right

Anything else to add?
 
UEGENT. Does anyone know if there’s anyway of passing a urine drug test for ket? Or if I could take a sample out my nephrostomy and it be clear? I only had about a gram? Do you think drinking loads of water and cranberry juice ect before the test would work?
 
UEGENT. Does anyone know if there’s anyway of passing a urine drug test for ket? Or if I could take a sample out my nephrostomy and it be clear? I only had about a gram? Do you think drinking loads of water and cranberry juice ect before the test would work?.
Welcome. It does sound urgent. I have scrambled to find urine test answers too. Mostly cannabis which is tricky. But Bluelight can't answer urine test questions. (which did annoy me when I also was looking for answers too). I got slammed with the rule some years back and forgot. I will say if I knew I would throw out an answer. Anyone saying anything definitive would be just guessing anyway.

rule 1/C Specifically, you may not: ask for advice or methods for evading or defeating, workplace, or any other type of drug tests;

Welcome. Hope you stay and post. There is a lot of info here. Not urine test info though.
 
Welcome. It does sound urgent. I have scrambled to find urine test answers too. Mostly cannabis which is tricky. But Bluelight can't answer urine test questions. (which did annoy me when I also was looking for answers too). I got slammed with the rule some years back and forgot. I will say if I knew I would throw out an answer. Anyone saying anything definitive would be just guessing anyway.

rule 1/C Specifically, you may not: ask for advice or methods for evading or defeating, workplace, or any other type of drug tests;

Welcome. Hope you stay and post. There is a lot of info here. Not urine test info though.
Welcome. It does sound urgent. I have scrambled to find urine test answers too. Mostly cannabis which is tricky. But Bluelight can't answer urine test questions. (which did annoy me when I also was looking for answers too). I got slammed with the rule some years back and forgot. I will say if I knew I would throw out an answer. Anyone saying anything definitive would be just guessing anyway.

rule 1/C Specifically, you may not: ask for advice or methods for evading or defeating, workplace, or any other type of drug tests;

Welcome. Hope you stay and post. There is a lot of info here. Not urine test info though.
Hi it was for rehab. I’m in rehab but I messed up after having a really tough time with the nhs staff while a procedure was booked I’m not handling my temper to well and for the first time in over 14 weeks I took ketamine lucky they didn’t find out god knows how it was only 2 and a half days after taking it that I got drug tested.

I’ve posted so much on here I think between the years of 23 and 24.

Just do a quick update. So basically been taking ketamine for a little over 3 years after about 9months I started with horrific cystitis.
Had this every other week for a whole year in 23. Urologist/ ane staff ect just refused to even treat me.
By the time Jan 24 had come they finally done an emergency cystoscopy to stretch my urethra. They had me in hospital over two months hntil they finally listened to me and stretch it.
They said my urethral stricture (which is a narrow urethra) was that narrow I was flinching in pain under general anastetic.

Because of the wait for the procedure which should have been done in September but got cancelled. The narrrow urethra caused hella problems including mass build up of ketamine.
I was told with the resukts that I have permenant scarring and it only holds 100mls of urine.
So I need it removing.

However you have to be a year sober for them to even think about operating. But with that news how the FUCK can you stay sober? So I started sniffing more and more to the point my right kidney began to fail. This is where I was told I needed an emergency nephrostomy (which is a catheter that comes out of your right kidney) wow so at this point I really did just want to die. So I sniffed more n more n more to the point I was sniffing nearly 20 grams of ketamine a day. Which led me to become septic twice. I nearly fucking died man
However October came and I was skint I spent a week recooperating in a hotel that they had put me in as I lost my property being in hostpital from may to October. Then I went n got an oz of ket the day they put me into supported living. However I said to myself I need to be more careful because I honestly just wasn’t drinking enough. So I’d wake up in morning drink 1 litre of water then sniff like 15 bumps of ket.
Then leave it about an hour drink another 500ml then have 10-15 bumps and I’d carry on this all day and it made me feel so much better always make sure you encourporate green tea. Blueberries for the oxide (whatever they’ve got in them) fresh cranberries or capsules NOT cranberry juice it’s full of sugar
You DO NOT want to be consuming sugar whilest taking ketamine it makes it stick even more. And azo maximum strength I’ll see if. I can post a picture it makes your piss bright red but it’s brilliant! And you need plenty of hot water bottles drinking hot water helps aswell the warmer the water the better it is for inflammation. Camomile tea with abit of honey is lovely and magnesium tablets. I know we shouldn’t promote this but if you need help coming off ketamine mushrooms work. Even just the low dose micro dose capsules you can get them on Instagram but becareful you don’t get a bogus one. If you struggle to urinate tryurinating into an incontinence pad with your knees bent either crouched down or sat on your knees. It sounds gross but I find especially if your pelvic floor muscles don’t work well that sticking a finger up your bum and pressing against the front wall towards your genitalia area helps it’s called your pedernial nerve.

MAKE SURE YOU GET UNDEE A SPECIALSIT. MAKE SURE YOU GET THOSE Cystoscopy DONE AND MAKE SURE YOU GET HELP FROM DRUG SERVESES. SAVE YOUR BODY WHILE YOU CAN! I’ve just done an interview for sky tv the documentary will be out in the next few months I’ve started up my own tik tok recovery page I’m trying to get as many followers as I can to go live and talk about ketamine! @cole170316 please please follow once I’ve got enough followers on there I’ll be useing my insta for the same thing just to spread awareness and hopefully get a charity up and running to help with research into a substitute drug and hopefully find a drug or procedure to reverse the side affects! Please help me!

For women: please be fucking careful when in retention or constipation. You WILL end up with a prolapse! I’m in a stag 3-4 prolapse and it’s fucking killing me off once your pelvic floor muscles go so does your mobility please be careful guys.

Love always Nicole x
 
Hi it was for rehab. I’m in rehab but I messed up after having a really tough time with the nhs staff while a procedure was booked I’m not handling my temper to well and for the first time in over 14 weeks I took ketamine lucky they didn’t find out god knows how it was only 2 and a half days after taking it that I got drug tested.

I’ve posted so much on here I think between the years of 23 and 24.

Just do a quick update. So basically been taking ketamine for a little over 3 years after about 9months I started with horrific cystitis.
Had this every other week for a whole year in 23. Urologist/ ane staff ect just refused to even treat me.
By the time Jan 24 had come they finally done an emergency cystoscopy to stretch my urethra. They had me in hospital over two months hntil they finally listened to me and stretch it.
They said my urethral stricture (which is a narrow urethra) was that narrow I was flinching in pain under general anastetic.

Because of the wait for the procedure which should have been done in September but got cancelled. The narrrow urethra caused hella problems including mass build up of ketamine.
I was told with the resukts that I have permenant scarring and it only holds 100mls of urine.
So I need it removing.

However you have to be a year sober for them to even think about operating. But with that news how the FUCK can you stay sober? So I started sniffing more and more to the point my right kidney began to fail. This is where I was told I needed an emergency nephrostomy (which is a catheter that comes out of your right kidney) wow so at this point I really did just want to die. So I sniffed more n more n more to the point I was sniffing nearly 20 grams of ketamine a day. Which led me to become septic twice. I nearly fucking died man
However October came and I was skint I spent a week recooperating in a hotel that they had put me in as I lost my property being in hostpital from may to October. Then I went n got an oz of ket the day they put me into supported living. However I said to myself I need to be more careful because I honestly just wasn’t drinking enough. So I’d wake up in morning drink 1 litre of water then sniff like 15 bumps of ket.
Then leave it about an hour drink another 500ml then have 10-15 bumps and I’d carry on this all day and it made me feel so much better always make sure you encourporate green tea. Blueberries for the oxide (whatever they’ve got in them) fresh cranberries or capsules NOT cranberry juice it’s full of sugar
You DO NOT want to be consuming sugar whilest taking ketamine it makes it stick even more. And azo maximum strength I’ll see if. I can post a picture it makes your piss bright red but it’s brilliant! And you need plenty of hot water bottles drinking hot water helps aswell the warmer the water the better it is for inflammation. Camomile tea with abit of honey is lovely and magnesium tablets. I know we shouldn’t promote this but if you need help coming off ketamine mushrooms work. Even just the low dose micro dose capsules you can get them on Instagram but becareful you don’t get a bogus one. If you struggle to urinate tryurinating into an incontinence pad with your knees bent either crouched down or sat on your knees. It sounds gross but I find especially if your pelvic floor muscles don’t work well that sticking a finger up your bum and pressing against the front wall towards your genitalia area helps it’s called your pedernial nerve.

MAKE SURE YOU GET UNDEE A SPECIALSIT. MAKE SURE YOU GET THOSE Cystoscopy DONE AND MAKE SURE YOU GET HELP FROM DRUG SERVESES. SAVE YOUR BODY WHILE YOU CAN! I’ve just done an interview for sky tv the documentary will be out in the next few months I’ve started up my own tik tok recovery page I’m trying to get as many followers as I can to go live and talk about ketamine! @cole170316 please please follow once I’ve got enough followers on there I’ll be useing my insta for the same thing just to spread awareness and hopefully get a charity up and running to help with research into a substitute drug and hopefully find a drug or procedure to reverse the side affects! Please help me!

For women: please be fucking careful when in retention or constipation. You WILL end up with a prolapse! I’m in a stag 3-4 prolapse and it’s fucking killing me off once your pelvic floor muscles go so does your mobility please be careful guys.

Love always Nicole x
I couldn’t imagine doing more ketamine after I was stricken with this disease. You couldn’t pay me 10K to do a bump of mxe or K.

Now I did delve deeply into opioids and that makes more sense because it numbs the pain and doesn’t damage your bladder
 
EDIT: The first thing I want to add to this thread is that if you have any odd sensation whatsoever in your bladder, difficulty with strong stream, or pressure. STOP YOU ARE LIKELY DOING PERMANENT DAMAGE

2nd: If you are having pain, the most important thing to halt it is to switch to this diet linked below. You will only get worse if you keep eating caustic foods and already have an issue.


For those "wondering" if its just ketamine or other dissociatives, here is a paper documenting the same effects from MXE (in rats)


Damage to the ureter and kideny:


"51% of patients with ketamine-induced urinary symptoms had unilateral or bilateral hydronephrosis "
"hydronephrosis was accompanied by varying degrees of ureteral lesions, ureteral wall thickening, ureteral stenosis, or vesicoureteric reflux."
"one patient who continued to abuse ketamine ended up with gross bilateral hydronephrosis and acute renal failure "


Ketamine damages the billary tract:


Chronic biliary colic associated with ketamine abuse - NCBI


Clinical use of Ketamine for chronic pain results in liver injury:



Possible link between ketamine and bladder cancer (rodent study)


" In the present study, bladders of ketamine-treated mice exhibited squamous cell metaplasia following 12 weeks of treatment, leading to the hypothesis that long-term ketamine abuse may eventually contribute to the development of bladder cancer; however, whether ketamine abuse would eventually result in the development of bladder cancer is unknown and long-term follow-up studies are required. "

BL user thread chronicling bladder damage from K: https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/why-you-shouldnt-abuse-ketamine-nsfw-photos.895520/



I am aware of one former member who was killed from organ damage bile duct cancer which we all seem to agree is likely due to his super heavy disso use. sporadic dissociative use over the past 3 years or so did more damage to my body than 5 years of slamming heroin 2-5 times per day and smoking crack daily when i was younger.
I ended up with bilateral hydronphorisis with acute kidney failure too I had to have a nephrostomy put in I’ve still got it now 1 year later
 
I ended up with bilateral hydronphorisis with acute kidney failure too I had to have a nephrostomy put in I’ve still got it now 1 year later
10 years since I’ve touched dissociates and K and still have bladder pain 80% of the time here


You need a urologist that specializes in interstitial cystitis.

Most other urologists don’t know shit about it and will just say it isn’t real rather than admit they don’t know how to help you
 
I couldn’t imagine doing more ketamine after I was stricken with this disease. You couldn’t pay me 10K to do a bump of mxe or K.

Now I did delve deeply into opioids and that makes more sense because it numbs the pain and doesn’t damage your bladder
I threw most of it away it made me feel disgusting. I’m on a lot of opioids for my pain. Bupamorphine patch and ora morph Benzos- lorazepam, diclophenac for inflammation and 3,600 mg of gabapentin a day and amatriptalin for nerve pain but the gabbys have stopped working for relaxing my pelvic floor muscles anymore so looking for a substitute. Eventually after my bladder surgery and my prolapse is sorted then I’ll be going back to detox to come of my medication
 
10 years since I’ve touched dissociates and K and still have bladder pain 80% of the time here


You need a urologist that specializes in interstitial cystitis.

Most other urologists don’t know shit about it and will just say it isn’t real rather than admit they don’t know how to help you
I’m with a ketamine bladder specialist now :)
 
What about spreading 1 g over six weeks can that be problematic? I used to rave and do a g in a night. Haven’t done that in years, but lately I did a gram over about six weeks for therapy. Can these lower doses be harmful?
Those lower doses will turn to more there’s no way around it trust me I microdosed for mental health because I kept seeing the tik toks of people having it done thru IV for their mental health issues. Obviously I snorted and within 2 months the affected wore off so I added a little more and a little more to the point i was sniffing half an oz 14 gram a day as I could get the oz for £80 it’s a vile drug. Vile vile drug it’s like doing yoga with Christ himself for the first few months then come 2 years your dancing with the devil just to be able to crawl to the kitchen to pour yourself some water or seizureing next to your other half.
ITS NOT WORTH IT. Stick to mushrooms or weed if anything. But even that Becarful with. They might not have physical side affects but mentally they will strip you of your once self.

I’m trying my best to start up a charity in uk to put money into ketamine research to find a drug to reverse the affects or make it safer to use or some sort of substitute drug for users who want to come off.

I find out in 2 months if my bladder needs removing from a ketamine specialist, as a second opinion because my normal specialist basically said I’m fucked. I was never sniffing ketamine for enjoyment after nearly a year in I was just taking it to get out of bed with less pain then my kidney ended up with bilateral hydrocephalus and now I have a nephrostomy in my right kidney which was supposed to only be in for 6 months I’m now a year in.

I’ve nearly died 4 times and was basically dead once they had to give me cpr an adrenaline shot and some sort of sterma/derma rub whatever it’s called to get my heart going again after they put me under general I think it was just my body’s way of saying it’s tired.

After 2 years of taking about an 8th sometimes a little more in a day is when I started getting really bad hospitals ect. Thrown out of ane with fuck all neglected degraded it was horrible. That’s how I started sniffing near 14g a day sometimes more becase I had given up on myself. I’m lucky to be here I had fentanyl in my drug test when I first got to the detox and rehab I’m in. Fucking fentanyl.

Please take ketamine with safety and caution learn to cook your stuff but stay fucking safe please guys it’s not a laughing matter anymore. My sisters brother is 11 and he is crazy on it he’s starting to feel the affects just after a year.
 
Update:
The pain is slowly fading away finally…
Still odd feelings in and around the bladder but no pain anymore.

Doctor gave me Doxepin 3 weeks ago and I take 50mg before bedtime. I am not sure if thats the reason, at least it helps a lot with sleeping.

I have bladder biopsy on Thursday this week, but was seriously considering to cancel it. The remaining issues are definitely not nice, but I believe its healing now.
Given the nightmare I went through I will stick to the plan and visit the hospital. If they find something, great, when they don’t, even better knowing that hopefully no permanent damage was caused.
How did you get on?
 
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