War on Drugs a Success

neversickanymore said:
and lack of knowledge does not promote or discredit anything.. unless someone bases their determination on speculation and conjecture.
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pmoseman said:
I would think you meant that the other way round.
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You may think that.. but you are wrong. But I'm willing to humor you with the intention of promoting your development as a scientist ;)
 
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Pmoseman, you seem to have skipped my entire argument....did I type that up for no reason or did you read it and decide it was too hard for you to respond hmm...?? I want a rebuttal! If not, the rest of you little arguments are mute.
 
You typed it up for no reason. Welcome to the world which pmoseman disagrees with, she/it just doesn't care about those who disagree.
 
"Between 2006 and 2011, cocaine use among the general population in the United States fell by 40 per cent, which is partly linked to less production in Colombia, law enforcement intervention and inter-cartel violence." cocaine
 
I should'nt have clicked "show post", I thought it may have some substance. Oh, internet. You never cease to disappoint.
 
pmoseman said:
"Between 2006 and 2011, cocaine use among the general population in the United States fell by 40 per cent, which is partly linked to less production in Colombia, law enforcement intervention and inter-cartel violence." cocaine
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I'll tell you why most users I've met in person REALLY stopped using blow:

1) Methamphetamine (much cheaper, much longer high, availability has skyrocketed in the past decade due to precursor requirements I'm guessing)
2) Levamisole (it's not fun ending up in the ER with a fucked up immune system)
 
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teological said:
Pmoseman, you seem to have skipped my entire argument....did I type that up for no reason or did you read it and decide it was too hard for you to respond hmm...?? I want a rebuttal! If not, the rest of you little arguments are mute.
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IT's the standard modus operandi
 
pmoseman said:
"Between 2006 and 2011, cocaine use among the general population in the United States fell by 40 per cent, which is partly linked to less production in Colombia, law enforcement intervention and inter-cartel violence." cocaine
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What is your point? People's choice on what drug to use fluctuates for many, many reasons. Law enforcement is never, EVER going to stop this problem, if that is your point. It is IMPOSSIBLE, besides LSD (due to needing a PHD in organic chemistry and a near rocket science grade lab to produce, lol). So what is your point? America has the biggest prison system on the planet. It is has large swaths of for profit prisons and is extremely efficient. In this massive prison industrial complex, there is not ONE DRUG FREE PRISON. Not ONE-----SO----- So what was your point? Are delusional? Do you think we can keep drugs off of the local street corner through policing (read prison comment)?

Here is another recent study that shows an almost 80% increase in Heroin use in the United States. Wow, that number is almost double the number you have. Wow, let us gloat now....wooh wooh...our numbers are better. Listen here, IT IS NOT ABOUT THE DRUGS. It is NOT ABOUT THE NUMBERS. If prohibition was going to work, it would have by now. Drugs are always going to be here. It is ABOUT THE VIOLENCE and CORRUPTION a humungous black market creates and prospers.

http://nation.time.com/2014/02/04/heroin-gains-popularity-as-cheap-doses-flood-the-u-s/
 
ro4eva said:
I'll tell you why most users I've met in person REALLY stopped using blow:

1) Methamphetamine (much cheaper, much longer high, availability has skyrocketed in the past decade due to precursor requirements I'm guessing)
2) Levamisole (it's not fun ending up in the ER with a fucked up immune system)
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this is exactly right.. but we need to consider reg amps as well


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Neversickanymore, I see the first graphic is telling us about England and the second also I presume. Could you explain why England?

"Part of the drop is attributed to old-fashioned economics. The cocaine industry has branched out, increasing exports to Europe and 'emerging markets.' This, combined with a reduction in production in Colombia and increased adulteration of cocaine being sold in the United States, has led to a near-doubling in prices, which, in turn has led drug users to turn to cheaper products such as methamphetamines and bath salts."

-Noel Brinkerhoff, David Wallechinsky


"A striking phenomenon is the apparent high level of recurrence ( 27.1% ) of symptoms in cocaine users after re-exposure to cocaine that is presumably adulterated. ... Literature review suggests that levamisole might have the advantages of enhancing noradrenergic neurotransmission by inhibiting reuptake, by inhibiting MAO and/or COMT, by acting on ganglionic nicotinic receptors and by being partially metabolized into an amphetamine-like compound. It could also increase endogenous opioids and increase dopamine concentration in the cerebral reward pathway. These potential effects make levamisole an interesting choice as a cocaine adulterant. It seems unlikely that levamisole use as a cocaine adulterant will soon reach an end."

Levamisole in cocaine: unexpected news from an old acquaintance.
 
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pmoseman said:
"Part of the drop is attributed to old-fashioned economics. The cocaine industry has branched out, increasing exports to Europe and 'emerging markets.' This, combined with a reduction in production in Colombia and increased adulteration of cocaine being sold in the United States, has led to a near-doubling in prices, which, in turn has led drug users to turn to cheaper products such as methamphetamines and bath salts."

-Noel Brinkerhoff, David Wallechinsky
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It does not make it stronger. It makes people pissed they spent all kinds of money on garbage. I wholeheartedly agree that they are moving more into europe and other markets where they are able to sell shit coke easier than in the states where have just come to the conclusion that when its dumped on like that its just not worth it.

pmoseman said:
"A striking phenomenon is the apparent high level of recurrence ( 27.1% ) of symptoms in cocaine users after re-exposure to cocaine that is presumably adulterated. ... Literature review suggests that levamisole might have the advantages of enhancing noradrenergic neurotransmission by inhibiting reuptake, by inhibiting MAO and/or COMT, by acting on ganglionic nicotinic receptors and by being partially metabolized into an amphetamine-like compound. It could also increase endogenous opioids and increase dopamine concentration in the cerebral reward pathway. These potential effects make levamisole an interesting choice as a cocaine adulterant. It seems unlikely that levamisole use as a cocaine adulterant will soon reach an end."
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The reason they use it as a cut is it has the exact same hue and shade as good coke does.. it has that of white opaque fluffy alabaster oily look. So its looks like good coke but does not get you very high at all.

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^coke



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^levamisole

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^ baby lax

see how they shine like the fish scale coke.

They use this because it needs the correct look of good coke to sell well.

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/ the drug war and take the greedy criminal thugs out of the equation

 
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... first experimental evidence that levamisole enhances cocaine's action invivo.
I do not see levamisole being used as a cutting agent until 2003 and there were no cases of adverse reactions to it as an additive in cocaine until 2009.
Levamisole was discontinued in 2000.
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This fairly well illustrates that cocaine use actually increased slightly in 2009. It also seems if there is a replacement drug it is marijuana, as blunts was for crack back in the 80s.

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Which pretty much explains why they think interdiction is working, and then they started adding levamisole because they sell these drugs for no other reason than to make money.
 
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Pmose let me tell you that a line of good coke is much more powerful than the same size line of coke cut 50% lev.. there is no comparison. on this one I dont need any studies and any you show be I will already know they are completely wrong. You should look at placebo effects. If a person thinks they are taking a strong drug the effects are greater than if they are taking a shit drug. So because the lev makes it look like they are taking a better drug the effects will be greater.

For your top graph to be accurate it will need to include "medical" use of prescriptions.. what do you think that drug users cant read the symptoms of a disorder and tell them to a doctor.

EDIT: Just how Powerful is the Placebo Effect
 
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