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War in Heaven

Calm down, I'm not in a cult. There's just been so many beautiful channelings that are worth listening to. It's not about reptilians but spiritual growth.

I wouldn't really recommend to anyone to listen to only that, as they would probably turn out a bit unbalanced, but if you have a long background in the field I don't really see the harm in it.

The subjects are just interesting and some enjoy hearing about things like life on other planets, etc. I don't only like to study old religious material.
 
I recommend going through the dark cell removal. It was powerful. I got some glimpses of my higher self.
 
This is a detestable scam run by people who are willing to profit off the weak and vulnerable. These sort of parasites should be utterly rejected and exposed as criminal frauds, not supported with money and energy.

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This is a detestable scam run by people who are willing to profit off the weak and vulnerable. These sort of parasites should be utterly rejected and exposed as criminal frauds, not supported with money and energy.
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It's a bit different history to that claimed by Scientology. :D From what I've read there so far, no evil overlords kidnapping thetans and dropping them into active volcanoes - so far. :D

I'm inclined towards listening to stories of the distant past and how we came to be in the Solid. There is so much mystery about how we came to be and the difference between what materialistic Science says we are and what we can personally experience with only a little change of view and practice is vast enough that there is room for quite a lot that doesn't fit a Darwinian progression.

Unfortunately I am at the same time inclined AWAY from channelling and a bit like the FEA comment above, wonder at the disconnect between higher spiritual values and high costs for what is basically a conversation, or worse, a sermon. Scientology has a similar issue - "Let's go save the world... hm... maybe only the rich..."

I'm also concerned that there appears to be a fairly strong connection between the origins of channelling and the MK-Ultra types of the CIA, so while you might want to discount what I say as just more anti-Religion stuff, I do have reasons for suspicion.

But there are also reasons to suppose that back before the disasters of the end of the Ice Age, we had a very different world, one that was sophisticated and well-developed but perhaps not in our fashion. with 3 major disasters coming in the form of tsunami, flood and deluge across perhaps 7,000 years, too many connections were broken and too much lost - what we think of as the History of Man is actually the comeback path.

It explains too many things not to be seriously considered - and the people from before the cataclysms seem to have been very concerned with immortality of one form or another - spirit was certainly of utmost importance to them.

I have my reservations about any kind of 'galactic' influence and there seems a split between that view and that of angels and higher/lower powers, but there are mysteries to resolve if we can.
 
Channeled material isn't for everyone. However, I've always found it very helpful since I started reading Theosophy inspired stuff like the Alice Bailey series, and also met some great channelers and clairvoyants. It's no big deal and there are lots of people who can channel fairly well.

But the money-making aspect is more or less redundant here with someone so prolific they used to broadcast two radiohshows and publish one written channeling a week. So there's no need for me or anyone else to ever want to give them any money. If they offer extra services to specially interested who can afford it that's not precisely a problem, and something that's completely voluntary and unnecessary, when they devote so much of their time offering their services for free (which most feel grateful for).

If I was obliged to pay them to have access to their teachings I could understand it. But it's strange how people tend to only focus on the negative. I know it doesn't have to be like that as I've been to workshops with some of my favourte spiritual writers, which were reasonably priced, and definitely value for money.
 
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Do you think some of the people who say they are channeling are just lying about it, to make money?
If so, how do you differentiate between those who are lying and those who are telling the truth?

But the money-making aspect is more or less redundant here with someone so prolific they used to broadcast two radiohshows and publish one written channeling a week. So there's no need for me or anyone else to ever want to give them any money. If they offer extra services to specially interested who can afford it that's not precisely a problem, and something that's completely voluntary and unnecessary, when they devote so much of their time offering their services for free (which most feel grateful for).
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Don't be so naive.

...it's strange how people tend to only focus on the negative.
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I'm not focusing on the negative. There just aren't any positives.
From my perspective it is very clear that you're being taken advantage of.
 
ForEverAfter said:
Do you think some of the people who say they are channeling are just lying about it, to make money
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Yes, I know there are many, but that doesn't mean there aren't any who aren't.

I don't really listen to anything that doesn't resonate with the truth. I have some degree of spiritual descernement or workable intuition. And as they're not going to make any money on me and I only engage with what they offer for free that point is kind of null and void.

I also don't see why they shouldn't be able to make any money for their services like anyone else. Just because it's spiritual guidance doesn't necessarily mean they should operate as a charity to be legitimate. A minister also has to be on a salary to be able to live of that.
 
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Ninae said:
I also don't see why they shouldn't be able to make any money for their services like anyone else. Just because it's spiritual guidance doesn't necessarily mean they should operate as a charity to be legitimate.
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But its spiritual guidance based on utter fantasy. These sort of people are praying on the vulnerable, the desperate for guidance, the ignorant, by charging them for an audience with Jesus. Put that way, this is absurd. This is a service for which no substantiation can be made, no verification. It is highly unethical to charge people money for the output of a terrible imagination. It is unethical to sell NOTHINGNESS to people. This is snake-oil salesmanship. Thus, I think this is pretty awful and I hope you do not give them your money; I assure you, you will not get good value from it.

I in no way wish to take something that might be important to you, but you should be aware that- to many people- this sort of David Icke stuff just seems like an absurd con.
 
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I don't agree. It's not your kind of thing but I also don't magine you've listened to any of the transmissions wth an open mind.

I like it as it reminds me of other spiritual teachers I have respect for. But the main thing I get from it is how it can put me in an uplifted state where it's easier to get higher inspration and impressions through the higher faculties like the third eye, etc. I'm very familiar with this state and aware when it's being triggered.

Apart from that, I have no personal stake in this, apart from wanting to share something I've found helpful for me. It's also fine if someone else don't. It's a personal thing and I don't really care what anyone can think of to object to it.
 
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I don't agree. It's not your kind of thing but I also don't magine you've listened to any of the transmissions wth an open mind.
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That's quite true, but its also clear that you are doing the same. You did just refer to them as transmissions; that suggests that you believe the source as claimed by the chanellers. But each to their own; I don't believe this stuff has any meaning- it seems highly improbable that Jesus is communicating with some random dude for $250 an hour.

I find it hard to maintain an open mind in the face of claims of reptilian influence on earth. I love the feeling I get from the term "dark hats". Its almost Steven King like...

FWIW, I once "channelled" a multipage exposition on the cosmic hieracrchy under the influence of several milligrams of LSD. If I can find the document I'll link to it, because it was fantastical garbage :) You might find it amusing....

I like it as it reminds me of other spiritual teachers I have respect for. But the main thing I get from it is how it can put me in an uplifted state where it's easier to get higher inspration and impressions through the higher faculties like the third eye, etc. I'm very familiar with this state and aware when it's being triggered.
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Okay, that I can get behind. If it works to provide something for you, then so be it. Its good that you have found a means to enter that sort of state, whatever the veracity of said means. I still feel uncomfortable with this stuff, because I think it could cause problems for some vulnerable people and I suspect it is designed to catch that sort and take their money. Its cynical, but there's no evidence to suggest anything else.

I would just be wary of anyone claiming to be divine or in contact with the divine. This stuff is easy to say, very easy, but impossible to prove.
 
You should make a thread for it.

But the thing is that the "dark hats" stuff really isn't what it's all about. It's not even 1/100 and just something many get hung up on because it's so sensationalist. It's not what interests me about it any more than I study religion to learn about demons. All of that is one big distraction.

It's about spiritual development and the ascencion of humanity and has taught me a lot about that. Everyone has the potential to connect with the spiritual world and become a channel that can teach others, people have so little faith. Even I can connect once in a while, so I don't find it hard to believe someone else can.
 
^What does your connection feel like, if you are willing to describe it....? Or what does it feel like that makes you sure you are connecting to something external to yourself?
 
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ForEverAfter said:
How do you know what the truth is, without taking their word for it... and, what about the reptiles?
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They don't really come into it apart from what you happened to read. Why is that the only thing that interests you? I was more interested in how you could remove the "dark seed" (and think I have).

It really has to fit in with what I've come to believe up until then. Otherwise I just have a feeling about it.
 
The word reptile and reptilian recurs practically constantly throughout the material on that site, and it is mentioned in almost every link you provided.
It isn't the only thing that interests me. I went through both websites, entirely, and quoted numerous aspects that bothered me.
But, I guess I just don't understand - considering how much emphasis there is on reptiles - how you can pick around it...
Like, if you agree that she's lying about the reptiles, what makes you think she's telling the truth about anything?
 
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I don't have any opinion on it. I'm not really interested in aliens. I just listen to the radio shows.

I'm sure there are aliens I don't know about but it doesn't really matter. Where are they?
 
You have no opinions relating to your own thread?

... and if you have no opinions about the reptiles, and they don't interest you, why did you write this:

Anyway, there was an interesting live channeling one and a half year ago which described how one million 4th dimensional reptilian types were taken back to God and the other million who chose to return to primal matter did that.

That was quite emotional.
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Since you're not invested in the reptile stuff, what was emotional about this channeling?

I don't get it.

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(The whole reptilian thing reminds me of the Heaven's Gate suicide pact.)
 
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