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Want to get off 150MG Methadone no hospital will accept me? HELLP!!!

NIKKI83

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I have been on 150 MG of methadone for 6 years. I go to this clinic I hate and I am ready to get off. Now no one will help me! I do not want to rapid detox at one of those horrible places you hear about. Is there anywhere else?? Where can I go I'm willing to travel anywhere in the midwest. I also suffer from anxiety and depression which is chronic. Please help I'm in dyer need.

Thank you.
 
Have you considered just biting the bullet and doing a taper on the methadone? That would be your best bet as 150mg is pretty ridiculous to detox from.

Most places that are inpatient, and most psych wards use the same rapid detox protocol.

I would get yourself some kratom to help fill the gaps as you slowly detox.
 
Your best bet is to slowly taper off the methadone, down to a more reasonable dose of 10 to 40mg, then switch to buprenorphine/Suboxone and taper off the Suboxone over the course of 3 to 6 months.
 
I understand but there has to be one place in the country that will let me come in deal with my depression and anxiety and help me taper down more than 5MG per week. Any detox places that you know of that rank high in ethics, success and protocol?

Have you considered just biting the bullet and doing a taper on the methadone? That would be your best bet as 150mg is pretty ridiculous to detox from.

Most places that are inpatient, and most psych wards use the same rapid detox protocol.

I would get yourself some kratom to help fill the gaps as you slowly detox.
 
Find a psychiatrist to deal with those problems before you start to detox. Detox can bring back ghosts if you know what I mean.
 
Yes after detox, we plan on having her impatient to deal with those issues. But we just dont want the rapid detox...
 
Find yourself a good psychiatric hospital for the detox, ideally attached to a university. Most pruvate detoxes are not very high in ethics.
 
Thanks Toothpaste, that's my concern, the private detoxes. Do you think we should just go into a hospital and let them access the situation?

Find yourself a good psychiatric hospital for the detox, ideally attached to a university. Most pruvate detoxes are not very high in ethics.
 
Yup, although I would honestly seek out a private suboxone doctor or addiction specialist psychiatrist and let them tell you what the best hospitals are in your area. Tell them what you want, your concerns, and they can direct you to the right places. I suggest you get at least two places to check out and choose the better one. If you live in SoCal lemme know, because I could point you in the right direction.
 
I would drop to the lowest dose you can deal with and then drop your dose by an acceptable dose one every two weeks. Try dropping ten mgs if that's to much then go to five.

You can do this!!

It is incredibly important to do this slow like NSA says. It is also incredibly important to do this under the care of a doctor. I also think you can handle this. There is a lot of resources available out there. Be wary of any detox or inpatient program that runs on 12step or synanon protocol. The best rehabs and detoxes are based on behavioral changes and psychiatric help.
 
Thanks everyone. And yes that is the ideal situation.
Impatient
Hospital
That will assist taper but a bit quicker than a clinic
Meanwhile assist in mental health
but where is this magical place?

It is incredibly important to do this slow like NSA says. It is also incredibly important to do this under the care of a doctor. I also think you can handle this. There is a lot of resources available out there. Be wary of any detox or inpatient program that runs on 12step or synanon protocol. The best rehabs and detoxes are based on behavioral changes and psychiatric help.
 
I went to a detox and rehab in florida. I also made sure to let my GP know what I was attempting and he came up with a protocol for me in order to taper my benzos and opiates along with supplements in order to keep my head together.

One thing I cannot stress enough that you are going to need a support network of professionals and friends to pull this off. Think of them like NIKKI'S angels. One thing that I had to do was give up control of my life. My best thinking had me in jail and psych wards on the regular. I needed to ask for help from a psychiatrist, and my GP, as well as asking for help from my family.

Where are you located and I will talk to my rehab counselor/therapist and see if he can track down some resources for you. I wish you were in florida, I know all the resources available here, what to look for, what to watch out for, as well as most of the people that have a good mind toward sobriety in my town. I owe him an email anyways. He has been wondering how I am holding up, as I am one of two out of many that were in my rehab that actually stuck with it.
 
I understand.
Currently there's a counselor at the Meth Clinic, then there's a depression counselor, gonna find a drug/alcohol counselor this week. Perhaps join a Narcotics Anonymous group.
In the midwest Illinois/Wisconsin border. I saw that rapid detox places in Florida called Novus-Detox, it's everywhere. Doesn't sound super safe at that place if you ask me.
Thanks for the response I appreciate it.

Meth dose will be dropped on 7/7 from 150 to 145.



I went to a detox and rehab in florida. I also made sure to let my GP know what I was attempting and he came up with a protocol for me in order to taper my benzos and opiates along with supplements in order to keep my head together.

One thing I cannot stress enough that you are going to need a support network of professionals and friends to pull this off. Think of them like NIKKI'S angels. One thing that I had to do was give up control of my life. My best thinking had me in jail and psych wards on the regular. I needed to ask for help from a psychiatrist, and my GP, as well as asking for help from my family.

Where are you located and I will talk to my rehab counselor/therapist and see if he can track down some resources for you. I wish you were in florida, I know all the resources available here, what to look for, what to watch out for, as well as most of the people that have a good mind toward sobriety in my town. I owe him an email anyways. He has been wondering how I am holding up, as I am one of two out of many that were in my rehab that actually stuck with it.
 
What about Halzeton? Dont really know shit about it, but as far as 12 step places go it is run pretty damn well from what I can gather. Still, if I were you Id seek out professional help as opposed to that 12 Step psuedo-professional shite that passes for recovery in most treatment centers.
 
Professional help as in? A drug counselor? Like I said I'd love to find a facility that would expedite the taper by compensating with medication and 24 hour guidance. We'll see!

What about Halzeton? Dont really know shit about it, but as far as 12 step places go it is run pretty damn well from what I can gather. Still, if I were you Id seek out professional help as opposed to that 12 Step psuedo-professional shite that passes for recovery in most treatment centers.
 
Professional help as in a medical degree, not a drug counselor. All you need to be a drug counselor is a certificate from a community college and a high school diploma (in the US). It is a fucking joke. You need medical care. Professional as in professional. You deserve the best. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise. Demand the help of trained, licensed doctors. And make sure you get a second opinion, because they dont teach much about addiction in medical school unfortunately.
 
Ah good point. I know this but thanks for reminding me. There are plenty of people out there doing serious jobs when they shouldn't be. Definitely, so you suggest a Dr that specializes in drug treatment?

Professional help as in a medical degree, not a drug counselor. All you need to be a drug counselor is a certificate from a community college and a high school diploma (in the US). It is a fucking joke. You need medical care. Professional as in professional. You deserve the best. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise. Demand the help of trained, licensed doctors. And make sure you get a second opinion, because they dont teach much about addiction in medical school unfortunately.
 
I would find a therapist that has a specialty in co-occurring mental disorders. Most addicts are self medicating a larger problem innate to them. From the time I was a youth I was medicating OCD that I didn't understand (I was under the impression that everyone's brains and mentality were like mine) and depression which lead me into a life of addiction that lasted until I was in my thirties. I was diagnosed with OCD at eighteen at my first rehab stay. That gave me the diagnosis but they did nothing to help me treat it. Now I take part in CBT. Sometimes it is embarrassing but I still get out this worksheet my therapist gave me when I have an irrational intrusive thought and it causes an intense fear response in me. The worksheet is helpful because it takes away a bit of the power the original though has and sheds light on why having that fight or flight response is not helpful. The rehab that worked for me was based on behavioral change and therapy. Yes there were twelve step meetings involved for those that they help, but what worked for me the most was being away from my drug of choice and having a licensed therapist work on a diagnosis and treatment plan for my mental disorders.

You say you have anxiety and depression. Are you taking any meds or seeking treatment for those? If you haven't been these will always lead you back to active use. Once your brain has learned that it gets relief instantly by using it is hard to break that cycle. It is necessary to break that cycle before you walk out of rehab. It is actually better to start working on it before you leave for rehab as most rehabs (if you check out the stickied {red threads at the top of the thread list} about rehabs you will see most have too many patients to spend enough individual time with each).

Kudos on starting the tapering process. It will make things quite a lot easier.

I went to lifestream (read more about lifestream) and the services they offered were amazing. I will send that email today to my counselor. Check the website for lifestream out. I have been to rehabs in new york, pennsylvania and florida. This was the best rehab I went to, and the fact they offer continuing care after rehab (lets face it. The door to rehab is not magical. You don't walk in broken, and 28 days later you walk out fixed.). They also focus on the mental health aspect of recovery. There are only 16 beds which with two licensed therapists means only eight per therapist. You meet for an hour once a week. The therapists lead the groups as well.

When seeking treatment you must ask these questions.
1.How many beds are there. The higher the number the less individual treatment, and the more shenanigans that will happen. This is also indicative of a money mill rehab.
2.Ask about how many therapists they have and their credentials. If they won't tell you then they probably don't have them.
3.Ask if it is abstinence based, or are narcotic psychiatric meds available. If you take benzos this is particularly important. They will pretty much drop you in dose so quickly that you have dangerous withdrawals.
4. Ask if they offer family counseling. Addiction and alcoholism are family diseases. Just as you, Nikki, need to recognize and change your ways, so to does your closest family in order to start the healing process.
5. Ask what services they offer in addition to substance abuse treatment. Do they have guided meditation? Do they have seminars about life skills? Do they have acupuncture? etc..

Remember; If it seems too good to be true. Chances are it is. Ask around and get a good idea of what is available in your area.
 
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