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Heroin Waaay too much excess salt after purification

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abcdefgh123

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I recently purified a gram of black tar using the procedure described on erowid:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/heroin/heroin_info5.shtml

Everything seemed to go smoothly, but the very last step says to add baking soda to the acidic water + heroin.hcl until no more bubbles for. This was quite a long time, and I ended up adding enough baking soda so that the amount of table salt in my final product seems to far exceed the heroin content. Is there a way I can get the excess salt out or no? Also, does this mean that I used too much hcl, as the baking soda is to neutralize that by making table salt right?

thanks!
 
oh god! the final dry weight is 1.9g. this means that there's around 1.8-1.6g of salt that i need to get rid of!!! any suggestions?

i think i'm going to take half of it, dissolve it in water, and add ammonia until the heroin base precipitates and filter that out...i'll report back

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i think i know what happened, my HCl is too concentrated! i didn't realize it was different than the procedure specified. i also read somewhere that the final step that ruined it wasn't even necessary, and that the excess hcl would have evaporated off with the water just fine!! argh, at least i know for next time!
 
This has gone from bad to worse!

I dissolved what i THOUGHT was incredibly salty heroin.hcl into some water, and it dissolved fine, but when I added ammonia, there was NO precipitate formed!!!

Doesn't this mean that there's no heroin.hcl in the solution then if it wont precipitate out??
 
How concentrated was your ammonia and acid? In your final attempt to get back some heroin base how much liquid is in your container? Need to know a few more details before I could even guess what the problem is (and even then I'm not confident) but reading that method two possibilites spring to mind. You may have simply lost all or nearly all of the product, or it may still be in there but it is just staying dissolved. I know it's pointless now, but you should have made some calculations before adding any acid base etc as it seems you have added far far too much acid in the first place and then too much base to compensate.
 
jebus said:
How concentrated was your ammonia and acid? In your final attempt to get back some heroin base how much liquid is in your container? Need to know a few more details before I could even guess what the problem is (and even then I'm not confident) but reading that method two possibilites spring to mind. You may have simply lost all or nearly all of the product, or it may still be in there but it is just staying dissolved. I know it's pointless now, but you should have made some calculations before adding any acid base etc as it seems you have added far far too much acid in the first place and then too much base to compensate.
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I used 10% ammonia and 35% hcl (instead of 28% ). When I realized the mistake i made with the concentration, I knew what had happened as far as the excess acid then excess base to neutralize which led to excess salt, but the thing that just happened with the ammonia added drop by drop in the solution of the "mystery salt" in water, and no precipitate forming, really confuses me.

When I was trying to do that I dissolved 1g of the mystery salt (out of 1.9 total) in about 10 or 20ml of water, just enough to dissolve completely, then added ammonia drop by drop, but the solution stayed clear no matter how much ammonia i added. I accidentally tossed it though, but I want to see if there's a way to salvage the remaining gram i have of this heroin.hcl + nacl.

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about calculating, if i calculate to compensate for the different compensation (im assuming 5ml of 28% HCl = 4ml of 35% HCl or does it not work like that?) do you think it would work? Actually, I probably wont be attempting this again just because of how much I dont want to lose another g (but i hate how nasty black tar is!! blegh!!).
 
dimethyltrypt said:
Seems like a lot of work and math to get that really nice feeling.
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Trust me, it would be worth it all just to get rid of this fucking black tar cough. Whatever other crap is in here (and I got a look at it after my purification, a bunch of insoluble waxy shit) is giving me a cough worse than I've ever gotten from pot, cigarrettes, hash, even hash OIL (and that's a bad fucking cough!!)...

I'd also like to switch to snorting without having to end up with all that black crap just stuck up my nose instead of in my lungs. Monkey water is vile...
 
10% ammonia means that the other 90% of the ammonia liquid was water...you really need anhyrous ammonia to turn it back into a proper base to work with ,,,and get some solvents like acetone and ether and concetrated hcl acid which is how they basicly get brown heroin base altho with a bit more ,but not a lot more effeort to turn into #4 powde rheroin,,washing out the discolorayion with ether or some solvent and then adding your acid drop wise last and then an acetone wash maybe and filtering it out to dry properly to get white powder,,,,a lillte research will tell you the entire process from planting the opium poppy to harvesting the opium latex to cooking the opium into refined opium to then producin gmorphinr base then heroin base#3 heroin,,then the final step to produce #4 heroin hcl powder and to make it white and purify it,,this info is available ,,well i hav eit stored on a copy of a declassified DEA document that they accidentaly posted for a short time on a department of justice website and i copied the files,,its step by step from seed to final product includin ginfo on soil ph...temps and proper poppy growing and harvesting methods and the technical data about going from the raw opium oppy you scraped to the pure #4 white heroin hcl powder...they let that one slip out,,but a number of us got it while it was there beforer they took it down...they still have a tiny amount of this info at vaults of erowid...article from flowers to poppy or something,,however whAt left on erowid is only a small percent of the total info i an others got and saved.....lol the cops fucked up,,but i don't liv eby a opium plantation so it does not really help me that much except for a purification of something...
 
why would I need anhydrous ammonia? i'm just converting the hcl salt to a freebase, which is then insoluble in water and soluble in ether. so after adding, mixing, and removing the ether phase i will have removed the freebase. i don't see why anhydrous ammonia would be necessary at all
 
The process listed on erowid was for diacetylmorphine hcl while black tar is often a base and, furthermore contains other compounds which lend it some of its effects. I am also interested in finding a way to purify tar, but I am not entirely convinced that the method you used would be effective.
 
^Yeah, there's definitely a difference between tar and diamorphine HCl...
 
^^True, but black tar heroin is not heroin base. It is in fact just a less refined version of a hcl. Instead of having only Diacetylmorphine, it also contains metabolites of and precursors to heroin in it due to the process in which it's made being less refined than methods used to make powder heroin as seen on the east coast.

So it's not that it isn't heroin hcl, it's that it contains not just the hcl, but also precursors and metabolites of heroin as I mentioned earlier in my post.
 
abcdefgh123 said:
why would I need anhydrous ammonia? i'm just converting the hcl salt to a freebase, which is then insoluble in water and soluble in ether. so after adding, mixing, and removing the ether phase i will have removed the freebase. i don't see why anhydrous ammonia would be necessary at all
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No need to get nuts with anhydrous ammonia, in fact stay as far away from that stuff as you can.
 
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