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Opioids Vitamin C: Opioid Addiction Cure?

I was in major w/d today. I woke up and took apprx 1.5mg of bupe (all i had left). My symptoms diminished for the most part except for the sweats/chills. After reading this thread, I went to rite aid and purchased a bottle of Vit. C. Now, I dont know if this is a placebo effect, but I am no longer sweating and/or freezing. Frankly I dont care if its a placebo effect. I few more hours of this and I will be completely sold on this megadose crap of vit. C.
 
bupe's effects peak at 3-4 hours. You start feeling better at 1 hour or earlier but it doesn't peak until later. Might have something to do with this?

If you try the Vit C without bupe and it works then I will be more inclined to believe this.
 
Oppyandme said:
I was in major w/d today. I woke up and took apprx 1.5mg of bupe (all i had left). My symptoms diminished for the most part except for the sweats/chills. After reading this thread, I went to rite aid and purchased a bottle of Vit. C. Now, I dont know if this is a placebo effect, but I am no longer sweating and/or freezing. Frankly I dont care if its a placebo effect. I few more hours of this and I will be completely sold on this megadose crap of vit. C.
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Obviously it is the suboxone slowly kicking in not the vitamin c.
 
even if it does work, (and there is some compelling eveidence that it might) then shouldnt the next question be what are some possible side effects of taking extremely large doses of this stuff

usually taking exorbadent amounts of anything isnt necessarily a good idea
 
There are no known dangers to taking massive doses of Vitamin C other than iron poisoning, as Vitamin C increases dietary iron absorption.
 
Oppyandme said:
You could be right. It was around hour 4 or 5 after dosing the bupe. Anyway I will add more when i experience the w/d again.
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Of course I am right.

Don't take any other drugs with it if you want to test the outcome. Suboxone takes about 3-4 hours to reach peak plasma concentration so no wonder you felt better.

If you really want to see if it works make sure you take at least 10g of vitamin C, and make sure it is calcium ascorbate, not ascorbic acid as that will give you the major shits. Also make sure you keep it up for 2-3 days. If you have to use other opiates during this time I think we can safely conclude that it doesn't work.
 
Oppyandme said:
I was in major w/d today. I woke up and took apprx 1.5mg of bupe (all i had left). My symptoms diminished for the most part except for the sweats/chills. After reading this thread, I went to rite aid and purchased a bottle of Vit. C. Now, I dont know if this is a placebo effect, but I am no longer sweating and/or freezing. Frankly I dont care if its a placebo effect. I few more hours of this and I will be completely sold on this megadose crap of vit. C.
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I'm glad you are giving it a shot my friend. . .One thing to keep in mind when doing this: You must keep taking the 'mega' doses of C every couple of hours. Vitamin C has a very short half life, so you must keep supplying the body with it fairly quickly and often. I believe Heroin withdrawl takes about a week on this protocol. However Methadone requires about 3 weeks of Vit C treatment.

For the doubters out there, keep in mind this isn't just theory or gossip. It has been used successfully in detox centers for many years. Very few did it though, because,well, there is NO MONEY IN IT. That's why you've never heard of it.

Some other things you need to do is supply your body with easy to digest protein frequently throughout the day (ie. protein shakes, or maybe Spirulina) and plenty of other vitamins (not mega doses). Plus you MUST keep yourself hydrated. All this is vital to get through withdrawl with little or no adverse side effects or pain. . .Also keep in mind, most people who have done this said, "the more vitamin C I took, the better I felt"
 
Oppyandme said:
You could be right. It was around hour 4 or 5 after dosing the bupe. Anyway I will add more when i experience the w/d again.
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Let me know how you did, if you don't mind. Or if you need any advice, I'd be glad to give you (or anyone here) my email address.
 
Coolio said:
There are no known dangers to taking massive doses of Vitamin C other than iron poisoning, as Vitamin C increases dietary iron absorption.
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I love your 'location', LOL, Sarah Palin's house. Hoping Bristol is there, LOL??

Anyways, you're right, there aren't any adverse side effects with vitamin c mega doses other than the runs when/if you hit your bowel tolerance. Then you just back it off a graham. Oh, one other side effect, feeling great.

You will run into ignorant MD's who will tell you it causes kidney stones, among other problems. However I direct you to Linus Pauling's work, along with Abham Hoffer's work with Vitamin C, Niacin, and Schtzophrenia. They used Mega, Mega doses of Vit C on hundreds of patients with no ill effects. Or, FREDERICK ROBERT KLENNER, M.D. treatments with Vit C and curing Polio in the late 40's. http://www.doctoryourself.com/klennerbio.html
 
Colstonewall1 said:
For the doubters out there, keep in mind this isn't just theory or gossip. It has been used successfully in detox centers for many years. Very few did it though, because,well, there is NO MONEY IN IT. That's why you've never heard of it.
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I'm still skeptical, if it is as effective as you say surely someone doing research would have done this.

I am going to try it out by not having my suboxone dose for the next 2 days, this almost always causes me to be in withdrawal by the 2nd day.

I will administer 15g of calcium adsorbate in 3x5g doses throughout the day (both days) and see if it works.

Will report back and see if it is just a myth or not. Nothing beats real science.
 
The Vitamin C capsules/gelcaps/tablets sold in grocery stores and local pharmacies contain Ascorbic Acid as their source of Vitamin C. This is considered highly inferior to Sodium Ascorbate by the article originally posted.

It seems that IV Sodium Ascorbate is almost always the Vitamin C used in medical experiments (including the above article on addiction). Using Ascorbic Acid will not be as effective.

The article mentions using oral Sodium Ascorbate in addicts (to get away from needle-fixation). And certainly look into the potential side effects. Kidney problems can be excruciatingly painful and costly, have a plan B just in case this doesn't work out well. At least some Buprenorphine tablets for addiction just in case, as well as a list of phone numbers (local doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, poison control centers, etc) and a sitter in case anything goes wrong or you don't feel right.
 
i was given a 50g i.v. bag of vitamin c when i was diagnosed with chronic lyme disease and swine flu at the same time. i got this after i was let out of the hospital (still extremely sick and not getting better) and recieved this treatment at my own doctor's office.

the next day most of my symptoms were gone and i definitely felt like a new person within 20 minutes of having that i.v. in my arm. it was fantastic and i now trust my doctor more than ever. I now take 6 g of vitamin c a day and have been for the past 6 months. I am a new person compared to how I was 6 months ago.
 
Tchort said:
It has been proven that Ascorbate acts as a poison antidote for a number of toxins. It also seems to 'attack' foreign elements in the body (it inhibits the action of many/most drugs). The rationale it seems for it 'curing' opioid addiction is that it 1) 'attacks' the dependant opiate receptors in the endogenous opioid system, thus stopping the withdrawal syndrome from happening and stopping cravings and 2) by inhibiting exogenous opioids completely when megadoses are used throughout the day- meaning even if you tried to get high, it wouldn't work.

Same rationale is used for cancer. The cancerous cells are attacked and metabolised in a simialr manner as medications and the supposedly the opioid system.

Very interesting stuff. This isn't just a handful of individuals and studies, this has been studied heavily for decades by numerous people from different specialties.
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How right you are. Vitamin C will knock out most poisons if given correctly. Not to mention virus & bacteria. Look at Dr Klenner's work with Polio victims in the 1940's. He had a 100% success rate CURING Polio, before the Polio vaccine came out. He did this with Vit C. It's all documented. . .I saw an article written by an Australian farmer who used it on all his animals. He told a story of a Llama getting bit by a Tiger Snake & being saved by injecting Sodium Ascorbate (Vit C). He was told by his Vet it was the most amount of Tiger Snake Venom in an animal he had ever seen. The Llama was back grazing in the field the same day.
 
Colstonewall1 said:
How right you are. Vitamin C will knock out most poisons if given correctly. Not to mention virus & bacteria. Look at Dr Klenner's work with Polio victims in the 1940's. He had a 100% success rate CURING Polio, before the Polio vaccine came out. He did this with Vit C. It's all documented. . .I saw an article written by an Australian farmer who used it on all his animals. He told a story of a Llama getting bit by a Tiger Snake & being saved by injecting Sodium Ascorbate (Vit C). He was told by his Vet it was the most amount of Tiger Snake Venom in an animal he had ever seen. The Llama was back grazing in the field the same day.
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Someone earler asked why if this was true, did we not hear more about it (the uses of vit c). The simple fact is, there is no money in it, so you won't hear about it from Dr's or the main stream media. . .What would happen to Pharma companies if word got out that Vit C (and other nutrients) would not only cure certain diseases, but with no side effects? They would lose money, lots of money. They have a vestsed interest in NOT letting this info get out.
 
Concerning all that placebo thing - I'd probably go into full withdrawal if someone changed my methadone for placebo because if I wake up and I'm feeling bad already I need like 30 minutes to calm down even though I'm sure I took methadone. It depends on the dose how fast methadone hits. Damn it, it seems I'm resistant to placebo. :\
 
And if you try it and it doesnt work for you?

Then you just didnt do it properly, or your not the right type of person, lol.

An example of the no true scotsman fallacy.... ha ha ha.

Some people will believe anything.
 
Honestly, sometimes I think "sceptic" is just another word for idiot. Sometimes sceptics are the biggest suckers of all.
* if it's all placebo effect, why don't you give up methadone by using a placebo? The study was placebo controlled, you might have noticed (but didn't)
* "I took a gram of vitamin C and it didn't help me" - shit, I took a tiny chip off an aspirin and it didn't cure my headache - could it be that aspirin doesn't work?
* ascorbate destroys opiate receptors - that'll be why all animals except primates and gineau pigs are in pain all the time, because they make the equivelant of a human taking 10-20g IV ascorbate daily. You can do anything in a testtube - did you see that they were pumping gases into the setup, and it only worked when the solution was oxygenated? The oxygen in blood is bound up in hemoglobin in RBC, not a free gas. I don't even see the point of the experiment, unless a drug company was paying to discredit the competition. Also, it was just a old theory that addiction increases receptors, more recent findings are that it makes fewer and smaller receptors which do not work properly due to exogenous opiate binding and need to be replaced (which is why you need the protein - whey protein is a good idea for this). Actually, if ascorbate did destroy these old, munted receptors it would speed up their replacement - but I don't think it does.
I've had the experience of injected vitamin C relieving withdrawals and sending me to a solid sleep for a few hours. If a placebo could do this, I'd take it. What would be wrong with that? However, bear in mind that IV vitamin C has recently cured a case of terminal leukaemia and a case of end-stage pneumonia in New Zealand. In both cases the patients were unconscious (in coma) and on life support. How would a placebo work then? Also, mr Static Mind, do you think that animals like rats get placebo responses? How do you think that works? Indeed, do you know what you mean by placebo? How, exactly, does it work? Is there some kind of vital healing energy or qi that is turned on? But I thought you were a sceptic!
Isn't it simpler to accept that something works as described, as used by hundreds of doctors and thousands of patients over decades, than to go to extremes to deny it? What about Occam's razor?
But if you're going to do it, for gods sake do it properly - as Michael Jackson said, "Don't Stop Till You Get Enough".
 
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