Opioids Vitamin C: Opioid Addiction Cure?

[davidwright5]

Won't work!?! Have you TRIED IT??? I thought not. . .Let me explain this to you, and everyone else that posted to this thread. . .

After being on Methadone for over 5 yrs, and several unsuccessful attempts to come off it and failing, I DID TRY IT!! And guess what it WORKS, PERIOD!!! So don't give this "it won't work" or "Vitamin C doesn't cross the Blood Brain Barrier, so it cannot work". . .

BS!!! It does work, and instead of criticizing something you know nothing about, why don't you try it for yourself before commenting on it negatively. . .And when or if you do try it, make sure you are doing it the RIGHT WAY or it won't work!

Hey everyone,

I registered specifically to respond to this post: Colstonewall1 is right, this does work. Granted, I have much less of an issue than I think a lot of people here do (25-30 mg of hydro a day), but I just couldn't wean off of it. Well, I read about the Thomas recipe, then I started doing more research, and started experimenting on myself. What I found was that vitamin C works (I'm big on Niacin as well). Whereas without vitamin C I can't cut down at all, with about 3-4 grams of vitamin C a day (I'm 230 pounds) I can cut it in half (to 15 mg) with no WD effects whatsoever. I think if I really wanted to I could cut it down even more. Obviously, for more serious issues than mine I would recommend more vitamin C.

Within about 15-20 minutes of popping a gram of vitamin C I perk up - I feel awake, none of the cloudy brain and tired eyes, and that feeling of need, that fucking void in your chest begging for more hydro, just disappears.

You have nothing to lose. Buy a damn bottle of vitamin C and try it.

 

[davidwright5]

The rationale for attacking cancer sounds great on paper but in reality it does not work much like this does not work for curing opiate withdrawal.

By all means try eating 20grams of calcium adsorbate (do not have ascorbic acid or you'll be shitting your pants and have horrid abdominal pain) next time you are in WD but I highly doubt it will do anything.

Anyone feel like being a guinea pig?

Yep. Already did. It works. And I never even knew about the ascorbic acid/calcium adsorbate issue. I have ascorbic acid and have had no problems. Certainly nothing like the lovely feeling of withdrawing from vicodin, anyway.

 

[N3DIVWNOJI999]

davidwright,did you reduce your hydrocodone consumption to 0mgs, during the VC regiment? The reason i ask is that you may only need small amounts of your DOC to avoid W/D..

 

[N3DIVWNOJI999]

This topic has the potential to be life changing for ppl addicted to opiods, but i think we need more concise results, it seems most of the ppl that have posted positive results haven't quit their DOC completely, which can contribute to their avoidance of W/D and at the very least, skew the perception of positive results .,, nevertheless this has the potential to save lives and shouldn't be discarded liberally.

 

[N3DIVWNOJI999]

And to anyone attempting this regiment, record a journal of some sort to post, with VC doses taken, dose intervals, daily DOC usage prior to regiment and of course final results, the more ppl that record and post their findings, the better our understanding of this intriguing topic will be.

 

[Mix]

Actually ....Vitamin C in high dosages may in fact work to some degree in opiate withdrawal and in simple terms I will explain why I believe this. Vitamin C is known to combat infections and/or foreign matter within the body and drive it out. Vitamin C doesn't discern between these substances, as all it knows is what is and what isn't a part of the normal makeup of the human body, therefore it attacks any abnormality or foreign substance within the body and drives it out. Being opiates are not a normal part of the human makeup Vitamin C may in fact view it as a possible infection and/or abnormality and therefore begin attacking it at the source, which in this case would be at the receptor point. Therefore it is entirely possible that large doses of Vitamin C would attack the opiate at the receptor point and begin driving it out. The only problem being the amount of opiate attached to the receptor and how tightly the opiate is bound at the receptor point. I personally have never tried using Vitamin C for withdrawal however, I do know of two different individuals who have extreme opiate addictions and both use extremely high doses of Vitamin C for withdrawal and swear by it. Knowing these individuals as I do I feel confident they would tell me if it didn't work and obviously wouldn't keep returning to the same process if in fact it didn't work. In conclusion I would have to agree with Dr. Larson and many other professionals in that there are more studies and actual documented facts to support this theory than there are speculative responses on forums. My advice would be to do some research yourself and maybe even try it, as Vitamin C is a nontoxic substance and the only real concern would be the fact it can upset ones stomach.

 

[sekio]

Vitamin C doesn't discern between these substances, all it knows is what is and what isn't a part of the normal makeup of the human body therefore it attacks any abnormality or foreign substance within the body and drives it out.

No, vitamin C does not "know" anything.. nor does it "attack" anything either.... it is just a water soluble antioxidant.

Vitamin C is known to combat infections and/or foreign matter within the body and drive it out.

That's your immune system, not VitC

 

[CrazyCajun]

Gotta eat though, and drink plenty fluids. That will help. Good luck, you can do this.

 

[CrazyCajun]

Agreed

 

[RTrain]

"Drug addicts, like other humans, are born carrying a defective gene
for the synthesis of the liver-enzyme protein, l-gulonolactone oxidase
(GLO). This birth defect (Stone, 1966), causes a potentially fatal, but
now easily correctable (Stone, 1967), genetic liver-enzyme disease,
Hypoascorbemia (Stone, 1966a)."

^This line I do not completely understand. It almost sounds like it is saying drug addicts are genetically pre-disposed to addiction due to this "defective gene." I don't think that is the case, and use of drugs might have a similar effect to having this genetic defect.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

"Drug addicts, like other humans, are born carrying a defective gene
for the synthesis of the liver-enzyme protein, l-gulonolactone oxidase
(GLO). This birth defect (Stone, 1966), causes a potentially fatal, but
now easily correctable (Stone, 1967), genetic liver-enzyme disease,
Hypoascorbemia (Stone, 1966a)."

^This line I do not completely understand. It almost sounds like it is saying drug addicts are genetically pre-disposed to addiction due to this "defective gene." I don't think that is the case, and use of drugs might have a similar effect to having this genetic defect.

It means our bodies are purposely trying to stop metabolizing the drugs as fast...

Genetically better highs...

 

[sekio]

No, it's just saying "humans cannot synthesize vitamin C". Gulonolactone oxidase is the enzyme responsible for making VitC; in humans it has been fucked up by evolution and does not work.

 

[recyclethepandas]

i've read about orthomolecular cures from vitamin C to niacin to lyphilized protein... perhaps the science behind it, which is generally based on in vitro experimentation, actually has some validity. i have serious doubts that anything besides time and abstinence could cure psychological dependence, but perhaps megadose vitamins increase the rate at which the brain recovers after a physical dependence. i have been taking extremely large doses of niacin (3-5 grams a day) since i last left rehab, and it does help some with anxiety, which was a big excuse for my heroin addiction. but the idea that i will never want to do smack again is laughable, as any addict will understand. i will probably carry that for the rest of my life, long after my opioid receptors have returned to balance, my norepinephrine overactivity has subsided, and my lack of GABA production has dissipated.

nothing can cure the memory of shooting dope.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

No, it's just saying "humans cannot synthesize vitamin C". Gulonolactone oxidase is the enzyme responsible for making VitC; in humans it has been fucked up by evolution and does not work.

Somebody didn’t get the joke...

LMAO

You really think I would say some shit like that and be serious?

Come on.............

 

[Colstonewall1]

Sure, but that energy boost isn't a cure for addiction. You say "It does have some truth", well what truth is that? The article is dealing with its effects on addiction, not its energy restoring properties.

As to what you said on cravings, placebo, placebo, placebo. I met people who claimed their cravings for opiates were absolutely cured after being given a placebo 'cure'. Its all about mind.

...For instance, I am on methadone daily. I wake up every day craving opiates. I know mentally that methadone will cure my craving if I get out of bed and dose, and I usually do this. Within minutes my cravings are gone, though methadone generally takes an hour or more to have any effect in the brain. Its all about comforting the mind, giving the person a resolution. If the person thinks vitamin C is the answer, they will most likely have very noticeable effects. But that doesn't make it a good replacement for a real medically sound detox.

There is NOT "some truth" to it, there's 100% full truth to it. This is NOT the only study confirming that Ascorbic Acid can not only stop withdrawl symptoms, it can stop the dependency cycle. It all depends on how the Ascorbic Acid is being introduced into your body (IV vs Oral) and the amount of Vitamin C being used. . .As a matter of fact a new study was just released by the N.C.B.I. entitled "Ascorbic Acid Inhibits Development of Tolerance and Dependence to Opiates in Mice: Possible Glutamatergic or Dopaminergic Modulation."

This means that Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) fills the opiate receptors in the brain if you can get the right amounts into the body. So it makes no difference if it's a "mind thing" as you say. You need to do your own research on this instead of just guessing at the results of Vitamin C therapy. It works, I've done it and so can you.

 

[Colstonewall1]

Hey everyone,

I registered specifically to respond to this post: Colstonewall1 is right, this does work. Granted, I have much less of an issue than I think a lot of people here do (25-30 mg of hydro a day), but I just couldn't wean off of it. Well, I read about the Thomas recipe, then I started doing more research, and started experimenting on myself. What I found was that vitamin C works (I'm big on Niacin as well). Whereas without vitamin C I can't cut down at all, with about 3-4 grams of vitamin C a day (I'm 230 pounds) I can cut it in half (to 15 mg) with no WD effects whatsoever. I think if I really wanted to I could cut it down even more. Obviously, for more serious issues than mine I would recommend more vitamin C.

Within about 15-20 minutes of popping a gram of vitamin C I perk up - I feel awake, none of the cloudy brain and tired eyes, and that feeling of need, that fucking void in your chest begging for more hydro, just disappears.

You have nothing to lose. Buy a damn bottle of vitamin C and try it.

Thank you. . .By the way, a new study listed on N.C.B.I. just came out entitles "Ascorbic Acid Inhibits Development of Tolerance and Dependence to Opiates in Mice: Possible Glutamatergic or Dopaminergic Modulation."

Keep in mind the studies done on humans were done with I.V. Ascorbic Acid which is a totally different animal than oral. Although with the advent of Lyposomal Vitamin C, you can get IV results with an oral solution.

 

[Colstonewall1]

No, vitamin C does not "know" anything.. nor does it "attack" anything either.... it is just a water soluble antioxidant.



That's your immune system, not VitC

Your reply is simply not true. You need to go to vitamincfoundation.org and enlighten yourself. . .And by the way, how could you possibly say that Vitamin c doesn't effect EVERYONE'S immune system!?Of course it does.

 

[SouthPaw]

DONT KNOCK IT IF YOU HAVE YET TO TRY IT FOR YOURSELF!


-My friend has been doing a lot of research online because he is terrified of withdrawals. He has a family, a job, and a life to hold and going through withdrawals is the worst feeling that can alter your daily life course.

-He found some useful things to take and this is his two cents on it.

-When going through withdrawals we feel
Absolutely damaged... I say damage because my body an mind feel destroyed. Your brain is going haywire trying to tell you that it's not doing good and that it needs more of (whatever you like) it. WHAT HE FOUND WAS A LIFESAVER AND IT ACTUALLY WORKED FOR HIM...it didn't completely take away all of the withdrawals but he would say about 80%.

Btw he is not a doctor and not am I... We are just trying to help other out because we know what it's like to feel useless,weak, achey, hopeless,and depressed.

His habit was oxycodone and it was a minor one compared to others at 60mg /day for 3 months



THESE ARE ESSENTIAL FOR GOOD HEALTH AND TRULY HELP

VITAMIN C -large doses of this helped tremendously (4-5 GRAMS every 3-4 hours) it gave hope and did not feel as weak and exhausted as previous withdrawals.


1) 5HTP(improves serotonin and dopamine levels- promotes good mood and sense of well being)

2) ADRENAL SUPPORT(helps restore your energy levels)

3)ALPHA-LAPOIC ACID(heals and repairs liver, muscle aches, stimulates cellular activity for energy)

4)MILK THISTLE(repairs and detoxes liver)


AMINO ACIDS
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5)L-METHIONE(produces serotonin production )

6)L-GLUTAMINE(produces GABA which is a building block for our neurotransmitters )

7)L-TYROSINE(treats depression healthy outlook on life and low energy levels)

 

[captainkingsnake]

I do have luck with this protocol. I wish I had some IV vitamin C to add to the mix. I've been working on a 1lb bag of ascorbate variety vitamin c. The key is steady dosages. Effects come on after a couple hours of steady intake. Goes well with Loperamide for opiate withdrawal.

 

[jbone1588]

Its working wonders for me. All these people talking about taking a few grams. In the study the iv 30+ grams into each patient since I can't iv. I've taken 5 1000mg pills every few hours I start to feel the heavy feeling boom pop 5 more. I'm halfway through a 60 1 gram pill bottle at day 1. Ive been a constant user redoseing every few hours of h fent oxy whatever I had on hand. I've been trough WD many times. I tried to about a month ago on day three I gave in. I'll tell you guys my body's a little sore n I've still been in bed all day but no chills a little rls but overall if u know what full blown hardcore h withdrawal is like this feels like I just took vicoden for a few months. Also benedryl helps me sletp but it does make the rls a little worse so if ur legs are already going crazy don't do it. The oddest part while taking the bit c my pupils just look normal they are not huge like they always are during wds also I've used the bathroom god knows the last time I had but no stomach cramps or bad diahrea like its working great for me. My muscles are still sore I'm def being lazy but its 99% better than going at it without it just my experience. 3 grams I felt a little better 5 to 6 much better. I think it might of also helped I started my c dosing before my last dose even since yesterday n all I can say is wow ya I still want to do h cmon but I'm not soooo its helping a lot don't knock it until u try it!!!