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Opioids violated narcotics contract question

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walkerblood

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well about 3 or 4 years ago i was prescribed percs for my back, I had to sign a drug contract and they gave me some piss tests and they were clean because i was taking to many and running out early, so they violated me, like i said its been about 4 years since and i have not been back to a doctor until now. i moved and i am starting to have health problems again so i got a primary where i live, my question is if i have my medical records sent from the old doctor to the new doctor will the violated drug contract show up in my records or are they private. any help would be awesome thanks for reading
 
If you sign a waiver allowing them to look at your medical records from another doctor then I would think it is a strong possibility. I can't say for sure. You can ask to look at you medical records from the old doctor and see what is in there. You have the right to look at them but you'd probably have to go into the office. Who knows, its been 4 years so they might have limited info on you. They might not have saved your medical chart if you were no longer a patient of their's for 4 years.

How necessary is is for them to have access to these records in order to treat you properly? Could you supply them with most the pertinent info off the top of your head?
 
I have started getting a copy of my records from any doctor that I have seen, but am no longer seeing, so that I know exactly what they say. I do this because last time I tried to get life insurance, I was denied because of what was in my psychiatrists notes. He had me diagnosed with things I definitely didn't have. Point is, you have a right to get a copy of your records so you know what is/is not in there.
 
there are a few options 1, is to have them faxed to the new doctors office 2, is to pick them up myself that costs about 40 cents a page 3, i can sigh a waiver at the new doctor and they will call the old office for the records. so i think that i will pick them up just to be sure and to see what is in those records, i'm curious anyway. i mean it has been years since i was there i don't even know if whats in the record is Relevant anyway
 
For me, all my issues with addiction and abusing my meds is very thorough and highlighted several times. WHICH THEY SHOULD BE. When it comes down to getting actual healthcare, maybe it's a good thing your doctor knows you have self-control issues. In the long run you might be glad they knew.
 
In short, YES. It will certainly be in your records. Every doctor is different when it comes to what they will gloss over. If you want to start out being honest with the new doc then it would be good to let them know. It is not like you were selling the pills, I hope. I am a cpp and tested clean while on oxy but I told the doc I was trying to decrease my tolerance by taking a break and he was fine with that. He could see I was in WD and I did get my tolerance down which is something pain doctors appreciate. I think he was waiting for me to ask for an early refill and I didn't. Who knows?

They just want honesty and since I had been on the same regimen for nearly 3 years it wasn't that big a deal. My doctor is pretty understanding. Did you piss clean multiple times?

As for the records, I noticed one post that mentioned something I always do and that is get a copy of my records for my own use. It is always a good idea to have your own copies. I have found many mistakes over the years and some were pretty substantial.
 
It will show up on your medical records if they have bothered to keep the original records at all. Assuming your doctor wrote it down in your files that is. Although i can't quite remember if they keep the original records for 3 years or 5 years here i know doctors offices in general are awful for loosing, misplacing or just being too lazy to go looking for them. I have about 2 years worth of records missing from mine because the stupid cunt doctor i had before the one i have now left them at his old clinic which i don't even think is still open. However you can request your own medical records (for some stupid reason you have to fight with most doctors to get a copy which you are entitled to) which you could give to the new doctor yourself. We all know how disorganized and busy doctors are so certain pages could get lost in the shuffle now couldn't they? ;)

I had to sign a narcotics contract when i first got scripted opiates from my latest doc and i had to sign it again there a few months back. All it says is that i agree not to sell or give away my morphine to anyone and to not abuse them. I have never had to take a piss test or a blood test for that even though i admitted to being a pothead and at the time to using a fair bit of coke/crack and Dexedrine. I haven't heard of anyone else in Canada having to take a piss test or blood test as a part of a narcotics contract either though it does vary province to province. It's basically just a formality here as it's literally not worth the paper it's written on as like my doctor joked to me about that someone isnt going to not sell or abuse their pills just cause some piece of paper tells them not to. But here if you are getting opiates from a doctor on a regular basis they give doctors alot of shit for not making patients sign them. Hell my mom who is fifty fucking seven got told by this 4 eyed little cunt of a doc at the clinic where i live that she couldn't get anymore shots of Demerol with proclorperazine or dimenhydrinate for the brutal migraines she sometimes get's if she didn't sign a contract! But that was just the doctor being a cunt on purpose as you only need to sign one for scripts not for emergencies which is what those stupid cunts where supposed to be there for.

Definitely get a copy of your records and see what's there. Doctors tend to put their own opinions on matters like that and i have had utterly false info on my records because of it.
 
I wouldnt tell them anything about past addiction issues. I made the mistake of being honest one fucking time and i am still paying for it.
 
As much as I hate to say it, I agree. Once you tell them the truth you will probably be screwed. And yes, it will be in there. They will definitely, in order to cover their own ass, have extensive notes as to why they stopped seeing you (fired you) and why they stopped giving you narcotics. This is so you can't come back and try to say they were negligent in their care of you. When I moved to another state I paid for copies from all of my docotors previosuly so that I had a complete set of my records with me. When I walked into my new docs office I handed them those so they did not request a copy from the docs. He was ok with that. But a prior doc I went to see would not accept hamd carried records. He said too many people change info in them so he had to have them straight from the prior office.

Note...the reason I was concerned was a previous doctor and I had a huge misunderstanding...he seemed to think I might have done something wrong, though he had actually just forgotten what he had told me and horrible charting practices..he had listed me on an incorrect drug that I had never been on...then questioned why I wasn't taking it...anyways...long story short...he was wrong, refused to listen, just made matters even worse (arrogant son of a bitch).
 
crimsonjunk said:
I wouldnt tell them anything about past addiction issues. I made the mistake of being honest one fucking time and i am still paying for it.
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This is why I wouldn't bring it up or have records transferred over. If there comes a time when I feel it will be an issue and the doctor needs to know about my past drug use, then sure I'll tell him. I am not going to take the chance he will treat me with less respect and regard because I am an addict. Also, I know basically everything about my medical history off the top of my head. If the doctor needs to know anything I can tell him(aside from exact #'s from lab results for blood tests, but I know of all issues pertaining to my labs which are few, and they should do new ones anyhow). Granted I am young so there isn't a whole lot to remember. Honestly people should take a more vested interest in their health and medical conditions. I know too many people who have no idea about what is going on in their bodies. Just sit back and do whatever the doctor says, not so smart in this day and age.
 
missmeyet? said:
Note...the reason I was concerned was a previous doctor and I had a huge misunderstanding...he seemed to think I might have done something wrong, though he had actually just forgotten what he had told me and horrible charting practices..he had listed me on an incorrect drug that I had never been on...then questioned why I wasn't taking it...anyways...long story short...he was wrong, refused to listen, just made matters even worse (arrogant son of a bitch).
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No surprises there...its the healthcare field, where there are 2 things you can guarantee. 1. No one is willing to admit making mistakes and 2. Mistakes are always passed down to the next lower level of provider(or the person with less experience if a lower level provider is not available). And if there is no other provider's to blame then just blame the patient.
 
You are correct! (Generally). Trust me, not only have I been a cpp for a long time, I have also been a nurse for 20 years.

The problem with not giving your records to a doctor is most doctors, especially if it is for pain management or any other specialists, absolutely will not accept you as a patient without records, and sometimes they do insist that they come straight from the previous doctors office so that nothing can be changed or be "missing" from the record. You might be able to see a primary or family physician without your prior records but this will probably not work with pain mgmnt.
 
I actually have a question regarding the whole drug testing thing. Similar to OP showing up negative because of running out of meds early on, except kind of the opposite with me. The few times I've been tested at my doctors, I wasn't taking nearly as much as I was prescribed, so that caused some alarm. I just ended up stopping going to him, but here's my question:

How many days before a drug test would you need to take meds (Hydrocodone in my case) in order to show an even level? Maybe like 3 days in a row? The only reason I wasn't taking as much as prescribed is because I don't want to become dependent, and I would definitely be dependent if I actually took the amount I was telling my doctor lol. Prescribed 10mg Hydros, 2-3 times a day. I never take more than that, but I don't take them everyday either, which is what set off the drug test levels I think. Thanks
 
Off the top of my head I would say yes that 3 days of taking the meds as prescribed should show levels appropriate for the scripted amount.

Why would you want him to think you are taking more than you are though? I mean, people lie about dosages a lot but usually it is because they are taking more than they are supposed to, not less.
 
missmeyet? said:
Off the top of my head I would say yes that 3 days of taking the meds as prescribed should show levels appropriate for the scripted amount.

Why would you want him to think you are taking more than you are though? I mean, people lie about dosages a lot but usually it is because they are taking more than they are supposed to, not less.
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Thanks for the input. I store them up so I have them for when I can't afford Pain Management. I do actually have legitimate pain, which is why it's easy to get prescribed, but Hydrocodone does pretty much nothing for it, so I take them to get high (I would definitely need something way stronger).

Anyways... so you're saying if I took a single 20mg dose for 3 days in a row before visiting my doctor, that's the dose that would show up on the drug test?
 
^ So you're not taking your hydrocodone as prescribed because it doesn't work for pain? Maybe talk to your doctor and see if another medication helps better. I'm not sure how much you would need for your urine test (take as directed?) - drug testing discussion is discouraged here.
 
here is NYS, they have this document you sign called "HealthElink" where once u sign it, it allows every doctor to dig into ur records from every doctor u went to, if u been to DETOXES before,ETC substance abuse counseling..
 
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