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Vice Documentary: "Getting High Injecting Snake Venom"

Methinks this has nothing to do with psychedelics even if technically speaking a venom is a drug.
 
I don't know, he does almost describe a slight dissociative experience, although it mostly seems like it is not a recreational drug so much as a nootropic.

Edit: Seems that was about right:

A few comments about the (lack of) psychedelic effects:

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Q The video was titled "getting high". Is it really a "high" to you past the improved feeling of wellbeing in the following days?
Do you know if it compares to a dissociative or psychedelic experience?​

A I did not write that title. It is not high in a party drug sense
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Q Does it get you high? This is a serious question. I watched the vice doco and it was implying it was some sort of drug but you didnt look high at all so I was just wondering

A Not like a party drug no. Not at all. Just say no
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Q I've heard that those who are bitten by rattlesnakes are known to have strong hallucinations. Has any of the snake venom you've injected caused hallucinations?

A no not really more like dream state and very calm
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Causality is always a problem... I mean, does it really work for him or it is that he is just so retardedly stubborn that he pushes through? I am personally not all that convinced that toxins that interact with your tissue, your blood and your nerves would actually change things like virility, the telomere count he mentions and shit like that.
Even if you are inclined to believe him, he is only one datapoint so what are we supposed to say?
They portray him to be very driven but wouldn't you have to be that driven in the first place to do this?

It's a curiosity like this and nothing more. And it's not that I would choose cynicism over the actual possibility, I mean I would give him some room to provide results to go on but presented like this it is urban myth in the making. Even the speculations about earlier venom researchers, the material is edited to appear suggestively. The government would be made out to conspire against his rogue research but I just think that some people happen might recover from those illnesses portrayed and we certainly don't know any of the story.

And I am still unclear about his motivations as well.

The effects that might be dissociative sound like they would come from the adrenaline and pain to come from this kind of assault on your body.

Thanks for sharing whatever way though!
 
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presented like this it is urban myth in the making
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Vice is a cesspool of misinformation

the videos are fun to watch and the topics interesting, but the content is as distorted as in any other media
 
Yeah have you seen the Datura/Scopolamine one? They don't even mention the hellride one goes through on it, they seem to think that Scopolamine makes you a pet-zombie. Really like their Vice Guide to Travel documentaries though, they really capture the insanity that is North-Korea (or Liberia)
 
yes, it's ridiculous
they went to south america to make it appear like it's a "so hard to get" mysterious drug, but datura actually grows at their doorstep

how many days in a row did the dealer also pretend it had made him trip? 17 or something?
and to anyone knowing a bit about the subject, those were far from being the only obvious "trying to sell our documentary here" points

i added them to the long list of media i don't trust

i think the one on north korea was rather correct because a friend who went there reported pretty much the same thing
they have some good and some bad reporters, but you have to know about the topic beforehand to know how good the documentary is
 
Yeah, despite their misinformation the documentaries are fun though, and their magazine offers some GREAT photography if that's your thing. I also think that a lot of the misinformation is intentional and "ironic" in the Williamsburg-inhabiting people (I refuse to use the term hipster, it's been degraded to something completely different) sense of the word, and if you know better it's sometimes really funny.

On the actual topic: I wouldn't be too surprised that there is some DMT analogue in the venom, remember those 5-Meo-DMT toads?
 
Im sure its psychedelic. Near death experiences have to be. Its snake venom, cold rush to the eyes osiris nigga whaaaat
 
The main reason I posted it (even though I was somewhat hesitant) was that there is something that happens to consciousness under the effect of some neurotoxins that could be described as falling into the category of psychedelic.

I speak from personal experience, some years ago I was bitten on the hand by a small black spider in Australia, no idea what kind it was, it was tiny and made a miniscule pin prick on my finger (I was shifting rocks in the garden). I didn't really hurt in a stinging mega pain kind of way that a funnelweb or a redback spider would, but about 5 minutes after it happened I felt a bit woozy and went inside, made a cuppa and lay down on the couch, woke up 12 hours later after completely blacking out and having the most off the planet psychedelic dreams, was drifting in and out of consciousness, never fully able to wake up but aware that some crazy shit was going on in my system and it was definitely a very trippy experience. Hallucinations, body rushes, lucid parts of dreams unlike any I've experienced before or since.

So maybe there is something in what the guy is saying about his consciousness being affected.

I do however feel that the guy was a fucking nutcase in his approach but whatever floats your boat I guess, I'm never going to lecture anyone about what they want to do to their own body, it's their choice and the government does such a fine job of telling us what we can and can't think that they don't need any support from me.

I also agree with what others here have said about vice TV, their travel docos like the north korea one are entertaining and informative to a degree but their drug docos are absolute sensationalist shit journalism that do the real psychedelic community more harm than good.

And for keeping those beautiful exotic snakes that should be in the jungle in plastic tubs and milking (stressing - torturing) them for his own amusement the guy needs a fucking good smack in the mouth.
 
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