Veterinarian drug helps fight depression

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Veterinarian drug helps fight depression

As found by Chicken Nipples on AUSDD - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...ion-thread?p=10295233&viewfull=1#post10295233

New research has found that the veterinarian drug ketamine hydrochloride when used experimentally relieves symptoms of depression and suicidal tendencies within hours instead of the months it takes today's antidepressants to work.

Chief Experimental Therapeutics of the Mood and Anxiety Disorders Program at the National Institute of Mental Health at Washington University, Carlos Zarate, has been studying how ketamine can be used in treating depression, anxiety and related disorders as current drugs prescribed like Prozac and Paxil, not only have many unpleasant side effect including nausea, headaches, insomnia and sexual performance, but take weeks to take effect and for many don't work.

Ketamine, which has the street name of Green, K, super K, special K or Vitamin K, is traditionally used as a pain reliever or anaesthetic for humans but more commonly for pets. However in the 1970s recreational drug users found that it could give you a 'high' by changing a person's thinking and perception of time and emotions.

The drugs currently used for depression work by regulating brain chemicals serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine, which can effect emotion and feeling of wellbeing. This method works very slowly as it is hard to decipher what the chemical imbalance is. The problem could be the brain making too much of a particular chemical or they may be a problem with the brains receptors to the chemical, so sufferers of depression usually spend months to years trying to find the drug that suits them best.

However ketamine acts on a chemical called glutamate, which is much closer to the problem, Zarate says. Zarate has been working on ketamine since early 2000, when he began to hear anecdotal reports that ketamine could relieve depression almost instantly.

"We can take care of a migraine in hours," says Zarate, "So why do we have to wait weeks or months with depression?"

Related article: Staying well after depression

The study included 17 volunteers with depression who had not responded to previous drugs. Researchers found that after a single dose of ketamine, 12 of the 17 got much better within hours. And the effect lasted for more than a week.

Researchers from Yale had previously found that the glutamate system can affect brain cells when forming new connections, and that stress and long term depression could weaken some of these connections. However ketamine appears to reverse the process.

Although ketamine itself will not be administered as an antidepressant as it has many side effects including hallucinations and is extremely addictive, it could be key to discovering how to make faster acting drugs for depression.

The Australian government Department of Health and Aging claim about 20 percent of Australians will be affected by depression and 6 percent will experience a major depressive illness and the greatest numbers of people with a mental illness are in the 18-24 year age group.

Today's antidepressant medications eventually end up doing the same thing, but they go about it the long way around, with a lot of biochemical steps that take time. Now we've shown what the key targets are and that we can get at them rapidly," said Zarate. "Ketamine probably can't become the medication of choice, but this research is leading to some very real possibilities for a whole new generation of antidepressant medications."​

http://health.ninemsn.com.au/healthnews/8412076/veterinarian-drug-helps-fight-depression
 
I have to do special K every weekend,
Just quarter g , (sometimes i sneak a day in the week too hehe)

If i dont, i get the dirty mood swings of a manic depressed... You dont even think about suicide, you feel it
and in my mind i start to plan it out then... its like a sinking worthless depressing lonely hate existence feeling. A real WHY WHY WHY

Which dissappears mostly with ketamine
 
I have to do special K every weekend,
Just quarter g , (sometimes i sneak a day in the week too hehe)

If i dont, i get the dirty mood swings of a manic depressed... You dont even think about suicide, you feel it
and in my mind i start to plan it out then... its like a sinking worthless depressing lonely hate existence feeling. A real WHY WHY WHY

Which dissappears mostly with ketamine

do you get manic depressed mood swings because you're dependent on ketamine or were you like that before you tried ketamine?
 
Why ruin a decent-looking article with stuff like "veterinarian drug" and "extremely addictive"?

Well it is a veterinarian drug, and it is very addictive.. 8) lol.. old news to you maybe, but it was in the media, and not everyone may have seen it.
 
ke·ta·mine   [kee-tuh-meen, -min] Show IPA
noun Pharmacology .
a synthetic nonbarbiturate general anesthetic, C 13 H 16 ClNO, used to induce anesthesia, alone or in combination, in surgical or diagnostic procedures of short duration; extensively used in veterinary medicine.
lol
 
Is ketamine gonna be available for depression in the 22nd century, or will patients have to wait for the 23rd?
 
ketamine is extremely addictive though, Psychologically it is, its an escapists drug.

I disagree. You don't need to hole to recieve the benefits in this specifc realm.
I meantioned MXE because it's even more effective at this imo because of how long it lasts, but a lot more psychedelic from my own experience.

Any drug can be labled escapist, even caffiene.
 
ke·ta·mine   [kee-tuh-meen, -min] Show IPA
noun Pharmacology .
a synthetic nonbarbiturate general anesthetic, C 13 H 16 ClNO, used to induce anesthesia, alone or in combination, in surgical or diagnostic procedures of short duration; extensively used in veterinary medicine.

and extensively in human medicine with it being against the law for a Dr to admin a Vet prep of a drug to a Human, dictating the Human formulation would be the drug studied and used in treatment.
 
Yeah i realise that, and yeah the guy is right i guess since the article is about treating humans for depression, not animals, so yeah the title didnt really need to reflect upon it as the vet version.

Medicinal use



One 10ml vial of 1000mg Ketamine
Indications for use as an anaesthetic:
Pediatric anesthesia (as the sole anesthetic for minor procedures or as an induction agent followed by muscle relaxant and endotracheal intubation);
Asthmatics or patients with chronic obstructive airway disease;
As part of a cream, gel, or liquid for topical application for nerve pain — the most common mixture is 10% ketoprofen, 5% Lidocaine, and 10% ketamine. Other ingredients found useful by pain specialists and their patients as well as the compounding pharmacists who make the topical mixtures include amitriptyline, cyclobenzaprine, clonidine, tramadol, and mepivicaine and other longer-acting local anaesthetics.
In emergency medicine in entrapped patients suffering severe trauma[12];
Emergency surgery in field conditions in war zones;
To supplement spinal / epidural anesthesia / analgesia utilizing low doses.

I never realised it can be used to treat Asthmatics or patients with chronic obstructive airway disease. Or some of the other things mentioned. Mainly Asthma tho for me, as i used to get it really bad as a young kid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine
 
They just talked about it on my local news and how they're maybe going to use a research chemical instead....mxe.
 
It's a step up from the usual 'horse tranquiliser' I guess.

How are they going to use MXE? It's hardly been studied at all, I don't see how they can give it to people yet.
 
do you get manic depressed mood swings because you're dependent on ketamine or were you like that before you tried ketamine?


Before, its a deep evil feeling. Had it for a good few years.

I had it before i tried any drug...(had been drunk a few times, but never actually tried any other drug until i was 19) ...Then ketamine helps it to go away, but i cant keep doing k every weekend surely?

i dont know what to do....
 
Well it is a veterinarian drug, and it is very addictive.. 8) lol.. old news to you maybe, but it was in the media, and not everyone may have seen it.

Just because a drug is used for veterinary purposes doesn't mean it should be labelled as such. The inference is that it is the drug waseither solely, or first, used on animals, when that's a disingenuous suggestion.

Obviously everyone's definition of addiction is different (I prefer: physical withdrawal symptoms upon cessation of use), but to say it's extremely addictive - a term that should be used for substances such as nicotine, alcohol, opiates, etc. - again puts the drug in a bad light.

I wasn't having a dig, sorry if it came across like that. :)
 
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Hell yeah. When i had a gram of mxe a couple months bacl i would have days (not on the drug) where i would be very very happy overly confident and mAybe even cocky. After the gram was gone i did not have ne negative effects except mad cravings. I think if i could keep dosing to a couple times a week ot would work wonders!
 
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