Vermont Senate Approves Legal Marijuana

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Not sure if this has been posted or qualifies for a DiTM thread (delete if necessary), but I found this pretty exciting news.

Vermont is well on its way to making history by becoming the first state in the nation to end marijuana prohibition by way of the state legislature. On Wednesday, the Senate voted 16 to 13 in favor of a proposal aimed at legalizing marijuana for recreational purposes, one that would create a taxed and regulated system that would allow weed to be sold in retail outlets all over the state. The bill must now survive another Senate vote before moving on to the House of Representatives for consideration.

Although there was some opposition to the bill (S.241)—some lawmakers argued it would destroy Vermont’s image, while others worried it did not take the concept of legal weed far enough—supporters were pleasantly surprised to learn the issue received an impressive 16 votes.
Interestingly, not all of the opposing forces stood against legalization, some simply did not cast a favorable vote because they believed the bill was missing a crucial element by not allowing home cultivation. On the flip side, other supporters threatened to vote against the measure if amendments were made that would allow residents to engage in home grows.
Governor Peter Shumlin applauded the Senate for doing the right thing by taking a huge step towards bringing down prohibition in the Green Mountain state.
“I want to thank the Senate for their courage in voting to end the failed War on Drugs policy of marijuana prohibition,” Shumlin said. “When this debate began a month and a half ago, there were many who said it had no chance of passage in either chamber.”

Reports indicate that the Senate will likely vote again on the proposal sometime later this afternoon. If it passes, it will head to the House to begin the process all over again.
Drug Policy expert Tom Angell, founder of the Marijuana Majority, believes Vermont is poised to bring pot legalization to fruition, as long as the bill does not get hung up in the House. He also believes that if the state legislature manages to pull this off, it will create some serious momentum for similar efforts to happen in other states.
"If the House follows the Senate and sends this bill to Gov. Shumlin's desk to be signed into law, it will mark the beginning of an important new phase of our movement,” Angell told HIGH TIMES. “Until now, all of our legalization victories have been achieved at the ballot box. But what's happening in Vermont signals that politicians have gotten the message that voters want marijuana law reform, and it means that we're going to see lawmakers in other states following suit soon. In particular, look to my home state of Rhode Island to be the next to legalize, possibly even before voters in other states get a chance to see ballot measures this November. But even if not, I expect to see Rhode Island lawmakers acting quickly next year after voters in neighboring Massachusetts end prohibition this fall."

Source: http://www.hightimes.com/read/vermont-senate-approves-legal-marijuana
 
Update: http://hightimes.com/read/vermont-senate-gives-final-approval-legal-marijuana-house-vote-next

[h=1]Vermont Senate Gives Final Approval to Legal Marijuana, House Vote Is Next[/h]
Vermont is well on its way to making history by becoming the first state in the nation to end marijuana prohibition by way of the state legislature.
On Thursday, the Senate gave final approval to a proposal aimed at legalizing marijuana for recreational purposes, one that would create a taxed and regulated system that would allow weed to be sold in retail outlets all over the state starting in 2018. The bill now moves to the House of Representatives for their consideration.

Although there was some opposition throughout the entire negotiation process—some lawmakers argued it would destroy Vermont’s image, while others worried it did not take the concept of legal weed far enough—in the end, the Senate reached an agreement that will achieve Governor Peter Shumlin’s goal of eliminating the era of prohibition.
The bill (S.241) would allow Vermont residents to purchase up to a half ounce of weed at a time for personal consumption, while non-residents would be limited in purchasing only a quarter of an ounce. However, every citizen would be permitted to carry up to an ounce in public without legal consequence. And while marijuana edibles and home cultivation are not included in the proposal, it does come with a provision allowing the designation of a special commission responsible for researching the pros and cons of these issues for future consideration.

Prior to the vote, the Senate updated the commercial cultivation portion of the bill to make room for the development of smaller businesses. License fees for small growers would start at as little as $1,000, moving up to $25,000 for larger operations.
It is now up to the House of Representatives to decide whether Vermont will join the ranks of four other states that have legalized marijuana for recreational use. The Judiciary Committee is expected to review the proposal sometime during the second week of March, giving way to the possibility of a full House vote before the end of next month.
House Speaker Shap Smith, who agrees that the current prohibition model is not working, said the outcome of a House vote remains uncertain because the bill did not come over with a tremendous amount of support from the Senate.
"I think that if you had seen a bill that came over with 20 votes or more that would have been a different signal,” he told Vermont publication Seven Days.

Drug Policy expert Tom Angell, founder of the Marijuana Majority, believes Vermont is poised to legalize marijuana this year, as long as the bill does not get hung up in the House.
"If the House follows the Senate and sends this bill to Gov. Shumlin's desk to be signed into law, it will mark the beginning of an important new phase of our movement,” Angell told HIGH TIMES. “Until now, all of our legalization victories have been achieved at the ballot box. But what's happening in Vermont signals that politicians have gotten the message that voters want marijuana law reform, and it means that we're going to see lawmakers in other states following suit soon.
 
Without home grow it's just MEH. Props to them for putting it through the legislature though, it means they can put whatever they'd like in there, without directly considering the will of the voters.
 
I would LOVE this where I live. The option to go and buy 1/2 an ounce LEGALLY anytime I wont? Damn that sounds awesome to me. I risk getting arrested every time I buy weed.

This is great, I am very happy to hear about news like this. I hope more and more places over there continue to legalise recreational weed.
 
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They don't want that.. they want the money. Home grows mean lost wages for the greedy. Don't worry all.. we are good as once its legal rec style no ones going to be looking for or raiding your home grows. Don't forget it's all about the money and power. They will be to busy counting their newfound windfall to throw money at silly court cases that juries won't convict anyway. TRUE
 
However, every citizen would be permitted to carry up to an ounce in public without legal consequence. And while marijuana edibles and home cultivation are not included in the proposal, it does come with a provision allowing the designation of a special commission responsible for researching the pros and cons of these issues for future consideration.
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The focus needs to be in keeping the corps out.. growers don't give away your knowledge as its priceless and makes PHD plant people look like buffoons. Even the very intelligent and wise Nora V agrees that giving this industry over to the planet ruining corps is a death sentence. enact laws that keep this positive to the people. Think employee owned and employee beneficial. More wealth equals misery at a tipping point. I know.


Easter island is a perfect pre example to our madness.. only we are creating worthless piles of paper instead of silly worthless sculptures.

that's why these greedsters are running this through.. trying to get ahead of the game before people benefiting policies like rado and other can be implemented.. just like illinois med passage.. fkn gangsters still.

 
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I don't mean to sound offensive as I'm not a cannabis enthusiast, but what is the obsession with homegrowing? When I think about it, I don't really care if the stuff is grown by some corporation as long as there are standardized limits on pesticide and whatnot content in the final product, and the stuff is actually somewhat decent. Just the way it's with tobacco? Of course, it's stupid to make growing your own illegal, but if that's the way it was going to be in the beginning, then I wouldn't care at all. I'm just genuinely curious why everyone is like "no corporations! I want to grow it myself!" whereas that is clearly not the case with tobacco.
 
Well I don't smoke tobacco anymore, so I can't speak about that....but there's just something satisfying about growing your own weed....
 
I've actually smoked more cannabis than tobacco in my life, and lately I don't smoke cannabis (never smoked tobacco systematically), but I've never had the desire to make my own. Just like I don't have the desire to brew my own beer or synthesize my own heroin. But I've been wondering what the difference between tobacco and cannabis is. Nobody grows their own tobacco, but everyone wants to grow their own cannabis, or am I misunderstanding something? Perhaps it's just an illusion, and not very many people will actually start growing their own once it's legal to do so (not talking about those who already do grow). Not many people brew their own beer either, at least around here and it's certainly a beer nation 'round here.

Again, I'm just wondering not trying to suggest something. Thanks for your input, Burnt Offerings!
 
Well it's pretty cost effective I'd say...a good yield on some plants will keep a stoner sustained for a while, if he or she is just smoking it for themselves. Plus it's just an area of knowledge that is fun to build on I guess, at least for some people. I haven't actually had that much experience growing it, just helping out my parents from time to time when my dad would set up grow ops (he's been doing that since the 60's lol) For people who really like to smoke weed, it makes economic sense to grow your own IMO.

Coincidentally I also like to make my own hard liquor!
 
Yeah, the cost effectiveness I guess is a valid reason. Funnily enough, I once considered growing my own opium poppy, but then figured it wouldn't be very effective for frequent use, or would require too big of an operation.

Back to the topic, though. I don't understand the bill/proposition/whatever fully, is there possible wiggle room for the future if it passes, to add homegrowing to it? Or is it all "set in stone"?
 
Also, to respond further to belligerent drunk - I hate the idea that a plant can be illegal, especially such a powerfully beneficial plant like cannabis. Who is the government to tell me what I can plant in the earth?

It would be like outlawing the home-growing of tomatoes. You can buy them in stores but cannot grow your own or our FBI agents will throw a grenade at your children's faces at 2 AM.

It pretends that morality is somehow involved. But no morality is involved. This is a plant, grown by/in nature. Neither moral nor immoral.
 
We all fought for this so hard. We are the ones that developed and preserved the strains. Why should we agree to hand it over to some greedy corp. Why should we be forced to pay hundreds for a an once (28g)? Why when we have a developing industry would we send it to the corporations? We are already going to have one hell of a time reining them in. Why not make positive changes more substantial then just legalizing cannabis? Make the licensing in a way that makes its accessible to the common man for small business, but not accessible to the big corps I say.
 
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I don't mean to sound offensive as I'm not a cannabis enthusiast, but what is the obsession with homegrowing?

No worries man, but there's quite a few reasons someone might chose to take up growing in comparison to just buying from stores.

-access to fresh plant material--ability to juice leaves
-it's a beneficial hobby
-save money if you're heavy consumer
-save money if you're on a fixed income
-wider variety of strains (check out CO rec menus, not a lot of CBD or exotic strains, lots of Kush and Diesel)
-ability to grow plants to taste (some people like to harvest early or late for slightly altered affects)
-ability to grow organically (check out the CO pesticide recalls)
-activist decision to not pay the state extra taxes
 
Thanks, Felonious Monk, those are definitely good reasons that I probably hadn't considered before. Well, except the not paying taxes one. Still, I wonder why not so many people grow their own tobacco or brew their own beer, seeing as certainly many of the same reasons could be applied to either of those. Perhaps an average user of those currently legal substances is not so much "into" their drugs to be interested in such activities.
 
Still, I wonder why not so many people grow their own tobacco or brew their own beer, seeing as certainly many of the same reasons could be applied to either of those. Perhaps an average user of those currently legal substances is not so much "into" their drugs to be interested in such activities.

Most people don't grow their own tobacco for the same reason they don't grow their own vegetables, laziness. Plus tobacco has a GREAT economy of scale, producing tobacco for smoking is hard work.

I'd disagree that not many people brew their own beer, ESPECIALLY before the recent resurgence of craft beer. Back in the 90s I remember a couple of my Dad's friends made their own beer because our town was kinda rural and there weren't a lot of options if you liked something a little different. Nowadays the craft breweries have taken over some of that (economy of scale), but lots of people still produce their own beer--or now the hipsters are making mead.
 
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