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Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

I don't know how it's such a big deal. Once I decided it was a bad idea my sisters also decided as we all loved animals. And that was that. Now one of my sisters has two small daughters and they get nearly only vegetarian food (their dad isn't a vegetarian). But when they grow up they will find the idea that you can't subside on vegetarian food hilarious.

It's mostly cultural/habit doctrinated. That's what's sad about it.
 
It's mostly cultural/habit doctrinated. That's what's sad about it.
yep, and in our occidental society, forget about it to ask for empathy for animals. hell, even empathy for our fellow human companion is too much to ask.

do what feels best for you and for your heart, its very sad, but people will still buy animal fur, eat meat ect. theres nothing we can do but change ourselves and hopefully people will take example.
 
Nope. Let's keep to the fucking subject and talk about vegetarianism. :P

ebola
Thanks for banning me. Personally, I don't care what you eat. I think meat is delicious and will continue to devour varying species of the world's animals. If I wanted to get more ethical with my food choices, I'd start hunting deer and wild overpopulated/envasive game, before I'd go vegetarian!

can we stay on one subject at a time.

Im almost worried by your comprehension skills.
 
*invasive
Want me to start correcting your puncuation? If I cared about shit like that, I'd use a word processor or spell check. If I cared about spelling, I would also care about using commas where I ought to use them. I don't know what your intent is with correcting a spelling that makes no difference in determining the meaning of the word. But, I am quite sure it has nothing to do with vegetarianism and distrupts the flow of conversation. Funny, Ebola accuses me of baiting people.
 
I'll give you that what 23's comment was an irrelevant snipe, but your reaction was a good bit more disruptive than his comment; you really didn't have to write out a full paragraph explaining your rationale behind allowance of spelling mistakes (and I suspect such wouldn't have been necessary if you truly cared as little as you purport).

Anyway, carry on. . . ;)

ebola
 
I'll give you that what 23's comment was an irrelevant snipe, but your reaction was a good bit more disruptive than his comment; you really didn't have to write out a full paragraph explaining your rationale behind allowance of spelling mistakes (and I suspect such wouldn't have been necessary if you truly cared as little as you purport).


Anyway, carry on. . . ;)

ebola

wow, I will take your paragraph as your own little snipe. Way to get the conversation on track with further bait. Very adult of you.

Yes, if you have read my posts and think I cared about spelling, then you are delusional.
 
I pretty much made the decision on the basis of cold introspection and logical inference; meat still isn't gross to me, and I don't feel particularly deeply empathetic. However, it took a profoundly empathetic experience induced by MDMA to push me in this direction in the first place. . .

ebola

I am starting to notice a common theme in my opposition. Things are starting to make sense. Maybe if I took enough shrooms I would become emotionally disturbed with the food I eat as well!
 
I just wanted to say something because it looks dumb.

^Intentionally written that way.

It is just something I have stumbled reading multiple times. Envasive at the speed I read, capturing snapshots of entire words as pictures like many do when they read, looks a lot like evasive and it causes me to look and look again when it isn't really needed. If it was a big word and used correctly repeatedly that would be different. It would be an education. Your repeated error just slows someone down. But at least it is entertaining! Huntin' down evasive species! :) Squirrels!

I know you've been begging to get banned, citing your lack of self control. I've been there too. I asked to be banned for the same reasons. Not that I thought I couldn't control it but having them shut the door could give me incentive to walk away. "Fuck you too". They didn't do that, and one told me that they felt I contributed some. I'm going to tell you the same. I've enjoyed your posts and value your thoughts. We need more like you. But try to cool down. I haven't been attacking you or coming in against you in any way. My comment was at least partially in fun.
 
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wow, I will take your paragraph as your own little snipe. Way to get the conversation on track with further bait. Very adult of you.

(yes...I noticed the above as I typed it) Okay. Next time I will go straight to infracting you then? I don't know what you want here. . .


I am starting to notice a common theme in my opposition. Things are starting to make sense. Maybe if I took enough shrooms I would become emotionally disturbed with the food I eat as well!

You know, most of the omnivores involved in this discussion are pretty into drugs too. :P

ebola
 
(yes...I noticed the above as I typed it) Okay. Next time I will go straight to infracting you then? I don't know what you want here. . .




You know, most of the omnivores involved in this discussion are pretty into drugs too. :P

ebola

How about we talk about vegetarianism? I mean really? Next time I try to veer the conversation back on track you ought to infract me? If nothing else, at least you gave me a good chuckle. Its becoming quite apparent that you would take issue with about any way that I posted.
 
I'll give you that what 23's comment was an irrelevant snipe,
ebola

When I was a wee lad, I was told to hunt an evasive species of bird called a snipe. I hit a paper bag with a stick (the tools for hunting snipes, so I was told) for an hour in the woods until I was told the snipes didn't exist. I'm not sure what relevance that the snipe, or non existence of snipes had.
 
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I just wanted to say something because it looks dumb.

^Intentionally written that way.

It is just something I have stumbled reading multiple times. Envasive at the speed I read, capturing snapshots of entire words as pictures like many do when they read, looks a lot like evasive and it causes me to look and look again when it isn't really needed. If it was a big word and used correctly repeatedly that would be different. It would be an education. Your repeated error just slows someone down. But at least it is entertaining! Huntin' down evasive species! :) Squirrels!

I know you've been begging to get banned, citing your lack of self control. I've been there too. I asked to be banned for the same reasons. Not that I thought I couldn't control it but having them shut the door could give me incentive to walk away. "Fuck you too". They didn't do that, and one told me that they felt I contributed some. I'm going to tell you the same. I've enjoyed your posts and value your thoughts. We need more like you. But try to cool down. I haven't been attacking you or coming in against you in any way. My comment was at least partially in fun.

No hard feelings, but I think this place is upsetting. It reminds me of fighting with my junkie brother and his stupid rationalizations said as if they were grounded in logic that wasn't completely fallacious. I actually came here because I am trying to help him overcome his heroin problem. Apparently, there is little help you can offer to an addict of that nature.

Sorry I get so lazy with my typing. I type on a cell phone and I don't want to waste any more time than I am already. I better hurry and post this before Ebola bans me for the last time. I figure a week should be enough time to forget about this place entirely.
 
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Sorry about your brother. My hometown is dealing with a heroin problem. I don't know anyone directly but many I know are directly connected with people who are addicted, have overdosed, or have died.

I don't mean to come off the way I did, though. I was being an ass. Your spelling and grammar are fine. I just stumbled on that word and it wasn't the first time.
 
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probably because the prefix "en" and the prefix "in" are not only homophones, but can also mean the same thing. My fingers are usually way behind so I can't be bothered to think about the spelling of a word I haven't used in 10 years, or to proofread. If my thumb hits too high on the key pad I scramble things up sometimes without realizing it. I imagine I can look half retarded at times, but with the way things are, I might as well be passing gas anyway. We've all made our decisions long ago, "reason is just a slave to the passions."-Hume?
 
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I do it too. And I tend to like girls who misspell things... Going off of sound. Like one that said she is a movie cridic.

Actually doing so, spelling words differently can indicate creativity, too, possibly (guessing, taking a shot, no evidence to report though). Unconventional thought. Taking alternative routes.
 
Had to look the Hume quote up, to make sure it was him. I found this which I thought it was kind of relevant to how I view ethics.

http://philosophy.stackexchange.com/a/186


You can apply this quotation in many different contexts as far as Hume's thought is concerned - in general I think the best way to read it is as an outgrowth of his radical empiricism which in the case of ethics descends into his famous advocacy of emotivism. The point is that reason will never reach out into the world - the passions are what we get when the world reaches into us. And therefore, reason will never be able to control them or understand them because they (the passions/sensations/impressions) are the raw materials of reason. So here are some ways to understand this general tendency, as expressed in the famous maxim you quote:

Emotivism in Ethics: Reason cannot enter into our ethical judgements because these judgements are based on sentiments (i.e. passions.) An act of cruelty will cause in us a feeling of injustice, and that feeling (sentiment/passion) will be the reason why we pass an unfavourable judgement on an act of cruelty. This is the polar opposite of a Kantian view of ethical judgements to which one arrives at by pure a priori reasoning.
Taste in Aesthetics: Here the situation is more complicated. Hume admits that beauty can only ever be as it were 'in the eye of the beholder' because beauty cannot be in the object but must be wholly contained in the pleasurable sentiment it causes us. Indeed Hume explicitly states that pleasure is the essence of beauty (we define as beautiful that which gives us pleasurable sensations.) So here you see that reason will always be a slave of the passions, i.e. you will never be able to rationally convince your friend who thinks artworks by Dali are ugly that they are, in fact, beautiful. Nevertheless in On the Standard of Taste Hume tries to argue that there are in fact some objective aesthetic standards, by urging us to heed the advice of ideal critics which he goes on to define (i.e. critics possessed of a delicacy of taste, and sound understanding, sharpened by practice and comparison and who are free from prejudice.)
Self and Causation: Hume also famously argued that there is no such thing as direct causation, only observable regularities; and that there is no indestructible self, only impressions which we call our own. If you take passions to include sensations of hot or cold or sense impressions, then you can interpret the maxim that reason will always be a slave to such passions as a further advocacy of this type of empiricism or anti-realism. The latter (anti-realism) in the sense that there are no shared constraints that ever effectively decide such questions as 'Am I here?' or 'Is this colder than this?'

I've always like Hume. Reminds me of Buddism to an extent.
 
OT - snipe is a type of bird - I think there's a number of differing ones. But being told to hunt snipe is a different thing, it's a hunt for the impossible, sometimes used on noobs in a job and sometimes just to get someone to go away. (Hey apprentice, go get me a left hand screwdriver! :D)

Smelling pistakes can be annoying when there are many of them. Everyone typos once in a while and that's what spell check is for. Worse are grammar mistakes because they can alter the whole meaning of a phrase or sentence. But online, mentioning them tends to get wild accusations of 'grammar nazi' or worse. I am unsure why people think it is OK not to be able to properly use their language (ESL folk aside :)) but it seems to bring virulent reactions. I'd put it down to bad teaching where students got chastised for incorrect spelling etc. but to be honest, schools just aren't that particular anymore and I doubt more than maybe 10% of teachers would pass an 8th grade (form 3) spelling test in my day.

Interestingly if we read through this thread we can see similar reactions from both sides. I am unsure what it is about the modern world that makes us so ready to jump into black or white groupings, unless it is the training we get in school and society where TPTB, the MSM and the education system all try to teach us that is how to view the universe.

There is nothing wrong with being a vegetarian who eats meat occasionally, or a carnivore who takes a break for a vegan diet every now and then. If fact, if you think it through, such eating patterns are what we developed as a species on. When meat was available we would feast, because it spoiled quickly. When it wasn't we'd vegan with the best of them. :D

One worry is how bad our diet appears to be compared to ancient history - there are very few ancient myths that do NOT contain tales of people who lived much longer than we do. Even the bible has 900 year olds in the early days. Noah was 600+ when he built the ark. It seems something changed and my suspicions point at grains.

Wheat, rice and corn are all staples, all unusual genetically and all came from the misty time before our carefully doctored history, but only JUST before. We might suppose early man developed them but the problems come in how such people could have bred in properties that were not present in the original species.

So were I to decide to go vegetarian, I would be looking for a diet with no grains.

And reason doesn't have to be a slave to passions, and in a truly sane wo/man, I think it would be that passions are grist for the mill of reason. :D
 
lol page 40
can i bring up the underpaid immigrant/minority workers who pick vegetables/fruit? the meat industry is much kinder to it's workers than plant farming
veganism is almost classist/racist imo, if only by systems larger than the consumer
 
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