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Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

what? tofu is amazing for you
Ninae said:
Well, I use it as it makes a thicker sauce and it also has a sharper taste. Normal cream is more sweet and mellow. If I can be bothered I like to chop some walnuts and roast them with onions as it creates a mince-meaty taste and makes it more like a meat-dish.

Walnuts and grilled cheese are the only meat substitutes I really use (apart from cheese). Soya subsitutes are pretty useless as they're devoid of flavour and I think they're quite toxic and not very healthy anyway.
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Thanks. No, it has more flavour, and is also healthier for you. You will notice professional chefs always point out they use sea salt.

It just makes a big difference. I can't imagine vegetarian food with normal salt. Although powdered sea salt is easier to use than whole crystals.
 
The dairy industry is arguably worse than the meat industry.
Cows are kept in a constant state of pregnancy, so that they continue to lactate.
Their calves are removed from them and slaughtered for veal.

If people are vegetarian for ethical reasons, I don't understand why/how they are not vegan.
The two industries (dairy/meat) work together.
 
That´s true about the industry. But cheese is so much in our society that most people just don´t associate..
 
It's a start. Getting rid of half of it doesn't make the part that's gotten rid of worthless, it makes a significant difference. Besides, murdering animals and eating their flesh is a bit different, and we could humanly consume dairy in more limited amounts.

It's just a circular argument that works as an excuse. There's no point in stopping meat if you don't stop dairy, and vica versa, or there's no point in you stopping eating meat because if won't change anything. Well, it's like everything else, if everyone thinks like that they won't change anything, but if everyone thinks they can be one of many to make a difference, they can.

I don't understand the logic in saying it makes no difference being a vegetarian when there are millons and millions vegetarians in the world and if they weren't the demand for meat would clearly be higher. Of course it makes no difference to those who are determined to consume meat but we make a real difference together.

It's the same as saying it makes no difference what you do the the environment because you're only one person. Many persons together is what makes the environment what it is.

It's what makes the world what it is.
 
because tofu is a really good and cheap source of protein. I make incredible recipe using tofu like stews, general tao sauce with fried tofu, ect.
Ninae said:
Why use Tofu when you can use grillable cheese? It tastes like old, condensed tap water.
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It's a start. Getting rid of half of it doesn't make the part that's gotten rid of worthless, it makes a significant difference. Besides, murdering animals and eating their flesh is a bit different, and we could humanly consume dairy in more limited amounts.
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Animals are bred for slaughter, so they wouldn't be alive if they weren't going to be eaten.
The same applies to animals that are made to constantly give birth and have their children stolen.
I'm not using this as an excuse to do neither. I genuinely think vegetarians should be vegans.
I don't understand, ethically, how it can be justified otherwise.

Is raising and slaughtering animals any better/worse than raising mother animals and slaughtering their offspring, then slaughtering the mothers later?
There is very little difference, as far as I can see. (Unless you simply want there to be a difference.)
 
ForEverAfter said:
Animals are bred for slaughter, so they wouldn't be alive if they weren't going to be eaten.
The same applies to animals that are made to constantly give birth and have their children stolen.
I'm not using this as an excuse to do neither. I genuinely think vegetarians should be vegans.
I don't understand, ethically, how it can be justified otherwise.

Is raising and slaughtering animals any better/worse than raising mother animals and slaughtering their offspring, then slaughtering the mothers later?
There is very little difference, as far as I can see. (Unless you simply want there to be a difference.)
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1. They shouldn't be bred for slaugher at all.
2. Dairy could be produced in limited amounts from free-range animals.
3. Like I said, it's a start, and most need to eat dairy for a transition period or they find it too hard.
4. Also, I don't see how getting rid of half the problem is invalidated by not getting rid of the other half (unless you simply want to see it that way). In most fields, like if we cleared up 50% of pollution, it would be seen as a spectacular achievement.
 
murphythecat said:
because tofu is a really good and cheap source of protein. I make incredible recipe using tofu like stews, general tao sauce with fried tofu, ect.
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Soya products don't agree with my system and many nutritionists say it's unhealthy.

Like, soya hotdogs don't taste that much different from regular hotdogs, but if I eat more than one or two I get the urge to throw it all up.
 
If all women could do what they liked I'm pretty sure one would cut off your dick.
 
I agree, but you go too far
its not the same. beef, lamb, pork simply wouldnt get slaughtered as we have no use for them and the beef industry is the largest and cause terrible repercussion to the planet
but yeah, milk and eggs is produced in terrible conditions and I will likely one day remove it from my diet.

damn! I didnt knew bout tofu. I eat tofu every week, this is very useful thx
it seems studies shows its not very good for us
http://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/tofu-what-does-science-say
ForEverAfter said:
Animals are bred for slaughter, so they wouldn't be alive if they weren't going to be eaten.
The same applies to animals that are made to constantly give birth and have their children stolen.
I'm not using this as an excuse to do neither. I genuinely think vegetarians should be vegans.
I don't understand, ethically, how it can be justified otherwise.

Is raising and slaughtering animals any better/worse than raising mother animals and slaughtering their offspring, then slaughtering the mothers later?
There is very little difference, as far as I can see. (Unless you simply want there to be a difference.)
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