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Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices
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murphythecat
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yes, agreed.
I eat eggs and drink lots of milk in my coffee. eggs is one of my only protein as im a vegetarian. I eat also lots of nuts. I feel bad for the way the cows and chicken are treated to produce the milk and eggs.
I eat eggs and drink lots of milk in my coffee. eggs is one of my only protein as im a vegetarian. I eat also lots of nuts. I feel bad for the way the cows and chicken are treated to produce the milk and eggs.
Cows need to be constantly pregnant to produce milk.
But no there's nothing wrong with eating happy eggs or drinking happy milk.. nobody said there was
Chances are though - If you got those products from a supermarket then they're not happy milk eggs.. Even if there is a pretty freerange logo on them.
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I survived eating almost nothing but hemp seed hearts for about two years. I'd occasionally eat other things, but they were mostly non animal. I did eat tuna occasionally, and chicken liver occasionally. But sometimes I went months with strictly hemp seed hearts. Not the most balanced diet, but I survived it. I am 6 feet tall and I was only about 120 lbs.
Before that, I was a vegetarian for about four or five years... But I ate cheese and drank milk, before I realized I was allergic to dairy. I actually got sick when I went full vegan. But I think that was just coincidence as I had another illness which really messed me up, and left me seemingly more sensitive to many more foods.
The hemp seed diet was due to having a hard time finding food that worked. I felt awesome eating it. I didn't get hungry. It is "high vibration" food. So, I just got tired of feeling ill, and decided to stick to what worked. Food allergies can make one terrified of food.
Finally, after awhile, I became so sensitive to the type of molds/fungus/bacteria that were sometimes with the seeds, and I had had diarrhea for 6 months straight, all liquid pretty much, I had go give up the seeds. I got some chicken. I felt a different vibration. Definitely not as clean, but it sustained me. I mix hemp seed oil with it, dousing it.
Now I eat chicken all of the time. I don't feel at all "bad" about it. I know what it is to be on an edge when it comes to food, and I'm not going to sweat even eating a monkey if it comes down to it... Or even an enemy combatant, depending on the situation. Heh.
I don't know. I've changed. In ways, on the way, I didn't like it. When I was vegan I was crazy. I felt bad wearing wool. I'd prefer to get wool ethically sourced, but I'm not going to stop wearing the socks my mom got me for Christmas when its 1 degree outside, because I feel bad. I honor the animal by using it.
And leather... Well, I know that given circumstances I may revert back to a more primitive style. And may fashion covering from animal hides. I'd honestly prefer it to synthetic. Though I'd prefer hemp fiber/linen, bamboo... But I'd do with what I could.
Honestly, ideally, I'd eat mainly fruit. I'm thinking. Fruits and veggies. Maybe some fish, though. I would like to be as natural as possible getting nutrients, and we need B12. Fish or Clams or something. I did eat a diet of mainly avocados and strawberries for awhile.
But yea. Rick is right. It is the industry that is sick.
Before that, I was a vegetarian for about four or five years... But I ate cheese and drank milk, before I realized I was allergic to dairy. I actually got sick when I went full vegan. But I think that was just coincidence as I had another illness which really messed me up, and left me seemingly more sensitive to many more foods.
The hemp seed diet was due to having a hard time finding food that worked. I felt awesome eating it. I didn't get hungry. It is "high vibration" food. So, I just got tired of feeling ill, and decided to stick to what worked. Food allergies can make one terrified of food.
Finally, after awhile, I became so sensitive to the type of molds/fungus/bacteria that were sometimes with the seeds, and I had had diarrhea for 6 months straight, all liquid pretty much, I had go give up the seeds. I got some chicken. I felt a different vibration. Definitely not as clean, but it sustained me. I mix hemp seed oil with it, dousing it.
Now I eat chicken all of the time. I don't feel at all "bad" about it. I know what it is to be on an edge when it comes to food, and I'm not going to sweat even eating a monkey if it comes down to it... Or even an enemy combatant, depending on the situation. Heh.
I don't know. I've changed. In ways, on the way, I didn't like it. When I was vegan I was crazy. I felt bad wearing wool. I'd prefer to get wool ethically sourced, but I'm not going to stop wearing the socks my mom got me for Christmas when its 1 degree outside, because I feel bad. I honor the animal by using it.
And leather... Well, I know that given circumstances I may revert back to a more primitive style. And may fashion covering from animal hides. I'd honestly prefer it to synthetic. Though I'd prefer hemp fiber/linen, bamboo... But I'd do with what I could.
Honestly, ideally, I'd eat mainly fruit. I'm thinking. Fruits and veggies. Maybe some fish, though. I would like to be as natural as possible getting nutrients, and we need B12. Fish or Clams or something. I did eat a diet of mainly avocados and strawberries for awhile.
But yea. Rick is right. It is the industry that is sick.
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well, yes the industry is sick. but killing a animal is sick in itself. especially when you can eat:
nuts, grains, seeds, soya, eggs for enough protein in your day.
you dont need to kill and eat animals and buying those food encourage the most cruel industry I can imagine. hell on earth.
nuts, grains, seeds, soya, eggs for enough protein in your day.
you dont need to kill and eat animals and buying those food encourage the most cruel industry I can imagine. hell on earth.
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I simply do not believe that eating animals is immoral. It's the way of nature... all animals eat other lifeforms to survive. Are tigers immoral? We evolved as omnivores and there is strong evidence to support that our discovery of cooking and eating meat directly led to our rapid brain evolution. I eat meat and I do not feel bad about it. I love and respect animals... loving animals is not mutually exclusive with eating them. We're high up on the food chain, that's just a fact. If an animal ate me, I wouldn't hate that animal. It would just be the circle of life. Why do you feel we are held to a different standard? Killing an animal is not sick, when it's done for food. Why would it be sick for a human to kill an animal for food, but not for an animal to do the same?
However, there most certainly IS something grossly immoral about the current state of the meat industry, which produces a truly monstrous level of suffering in the animals it uses to produce meat. I buy organic meat whenever possible that was from animals who were not subjected to such things. Not only is it healthier, but it's far kinder. I've never hunted, but I decided a few days ago that this year I am going to try to get a deer. A single deer would provide me with a huge amount of meat that I could store and use throughout the months following. Likewise I am going to take a few fishing trips for the same reason. I don't relish the idea of personally killing an animal but if I am going to eat meat I have to be willing to do it. Hunting wild animals is the most responsible, respectful and least impactful way of eating meat because then you're truly just participating in the circle of life and you're causing no more suffering than, say, a mountain lion (or even less if you're a good shot).
Who's to say that plants don't suffer when you cut them down to eat them? Life involves suffering. In order for anything to live it has to consume something else living.
Part of the problem is that there are just too many humans. That's why factory farming became an industry, to support the diets of too many people. And then focus on profits caused it to become really disgusting. I don't know what the answer is. Probably for everyone to eat less meat, and for corporations to stop worshipping the dollar so much.
However, there most certainly IS something grossly immoral about the current state of the meat industry, which produces a truly monstrous level of suffering in the animals it uses to produce meat. I buy organic meat whenever possible that was from animals who were not subjected to such things. Not only is it healthier, but it's far kinder. I've never hunted, but I decided a few days ago that this year I am going to try to get a deer. A single deer would provide me with a huge amount of meat that I could store and use throughout the months following. Likewise I am going to take a few fishing trips for the same reason. I don't relish the idea of personally killing an animal but if I am going to eat meat I have to be willing to do it. Hunting wild animals is the most responsible, respectful and least impactful way of eating meat because then you're truly just participating in the circle of life and you're causing no more suffering than, say, a mountain lion (or even less if you're a good shot).
Who's to say that plants don't suffer when you cut them down to eat them? Life involves suffering. In order for anything to live it has to consume something else living.
Part of the problem is that there are just too many humans. That's why factory farming became an industry, to support the diets of too many people. And then focus on profits caused it to become really disgusting. I don't know what the answer is. Probably for everyone to eat less meat, and for corporations to stop worshipping the dollar so much.
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murphythecat
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Tiger are only carnivore I think so they can only eat meat.
we have the responsability and ability to make the choice. so each time you buy meat, you encourage a immoral business.
you can very well survive without meat.
in a situation if you would have no choice and you eat only meat for your survival, the matter begins to change and we get into a controversial subject, but as it stands now, you could very well survive without having to kill animals, so then, its totally immoral to accept oneself to eat meat.
killing is immoral and very cruel. it shows total lack of compassion and empathy for other beings.
it is sick because you impose suffering on another being for your own and only benefit. its the total opposite of love and care and empathy.
its quite evident that plants are less attached to life then animals. it seems logic. I highly doubt a plant suffer as much as a animal when being killed. the connexion and the capacity to feel is much less developped in a plant. this is where science can clearly show that yes, maybe a plant suffer, but much less then a animal being killed.
but then, the best is to eat seeds and nuts, as you dont even have to kill anything.
we have the responsability and ability to make the choice. so each time you buy meat, you encourage a immoral business.
you can very well survive without meat.
in a situation if you would have no choice and you eat only meat for your survival, the matter begins to change and we get into a controversial subject, but as it stands now, you could very well survive without having to kill animals, so then, its totally immoral to accept oneself to eat meat.
killing is immoral and very cruel. it shows total lack of compassion and empathy for other beings.
it is sick because you impose suffering on another being for your own and only benefit. its the total opposite of love and care and empathy.
its quite evident that plants are less attached to life then animals. it seems logic. I highly doubt a plant suffer as much as a animal when being killed. the connexion and the capacity to feel is much less developped in a plant. this is where science can clearly show that yes, maybe a plant suffer, but much less then a animal being killed.
but then, the best is to eat seeds and nuts, as you dont even have to kill anything.
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I believe that can be true to a certain extent. Most people do it unconscious as society does that every day.
I find it hard to break the routine and feel week if I don´t eat meat at least 3 times a week.
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well, for sure you need to compensate. but Ive given up meat for more then 2 year now without any problems.
I eat 3 eggs every day, lots of beans, lentils, oatmeal, potatoes, lots of veggies and fruits, nuts (mainly almonds), seeds, lot of tofu. I use all the spcecials I get, buy my tofu in big package, my almonds in stores where they sell wholesale, all my fruits in special, ect.
and theres no trouble at all. if anything, im much healthier without meat due to how bad animals are fed ect.
But, that will not save your soul lol, but I feel much better about the fact that if everyone would do this, this carnage would stop.
wether we like it or not, we are all responsaible and if we all stopped to eat meat, that industry would die
I eat 3 eggs every day, lots of beans, lentils, oatmeal, potatoes, lots of veggies and fruits, nuts (mainly almonds), seeds, lot of tofu. I use all the spcecials I get, buy my tofu in big package, my almonds in stores where they sell wholesale, all my fruits in special, ect.
and theres no trouble at all. if anything, im much healthier without meat due to how bad animals are fed ect.
But, that will not save your soul lol, but I feel much better about the fact that if everyone would do this, this carnage would stop.
wether we like it or not, we are all responsaible and if we all stopped to eat meat, that industry would die
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What about other omnivorous animals? Are they immoral when they eat another animal, since they have the choice to eat plants?
Okay so buying meat encourages an immoral business... I agree in the case of factory farmed meat, as I said. I don't really agree that buying meat from animals that were raised in happy conditions and not given chemicals/hormones supports anything immoral or unhealthy, but for the sake of argument, let's say it does too. What about hunting then? Or raising your own animals for food, who live peaceful and happy lives until they're killed much more quickly than they would be killed in the wild by a predator, and without the fear of being stalked and chased first?
I don't feel good if I don't eat meat sometimes. I went vegetarian for about 6 months years back and went back to eating meat because I felt weak and sickly. We have been eating meat as a species for a very long time, and as such we have evolved to work best when we include meat in our diet. Different cultures/genetic chains of humans eat varying amounts of meat. If you're descended from a people who have always eaten a lot of meat, chances are you won't feel good unless you eat meat sometimes. If you're descended from a people who mostly ate plants, then vegetarianism may work much better for you.
I have respect for people who choose to cut out meat but I do not believe it is cruel or immoral to eat meat, only that it's cruel and immoral to support factory farming practices. It's just the way nature works. It would be nice if we lived in a universe where we didn't have to consume other beings, but that's not how it is. I truly do wish I could feel good eating only plants but I gave it a try and it just doesn't work for me. I'm not going to go through my life feeling sickly and weak.
Native north americans were/are a people with great respect for life and the earth, and they believed that you could kill an animal respectfully for food, use it well (not waste any of it) and maintain a good relationship with those animals and the earth. I believe the same thing. I haven't always done so but as I become more aware of the problems in the meat industry I do my best to minimize the harm I am causing by consuming meat. We're animals and we participate in the food chain, it's just a fact of life.
I bet the average vegetarian produces more harm to the planet, due to the transportation costs required to transport food from around the world to provide a full range of nutrients, than your average meat-eater who responsibly hunts for food.
Okay so buying meat encourages an immoral business... I agree in the case of factory farmed meat, as I said. I don't really agree that buying meat from animals that were raised in happy conditions and not given chemicals/hormones supports anything immoral or unhealthy, but for the sake of argument, let's say it does too. What about hunting then? Or raising your own animals for food, who live peaceful and happy lives until they're killed much more quickly than they would be killed in the wild by a predator, and without the fear of being stalked and chased first?
I don't feel good if I don't eat meat sometimes. I went vegetarian for about 6 months years back and went back to eating meat because I felt weak and sickly. We have been eating meat as a species for a very long time, and as such we have evolved to work best when we include meat in our diet. Different cultures/genetic chains of humans eat varying amounts of meat. If you're descended from a people who have always eaten a lot of meat, chances are you won't feel good unless you eat meat sometimes. If you're descended from a people who mostly ate plants, then vegetarianism may work much better for you.
I have respect for people who choose to cut out meat but I do not believe it is cruel or immoral to eat meat, only that it's cruel and immoral to support factory farming practices. It's just the way nature works. It would be nice if we lived in a universe where we didn't have to consume other beings, but that's not how it is. I truly do wish I could feel good eating only plants but I gave it a try and it just doesn't work for me. I'm not going to go through my life feeling sickly and weak.
Native north americans were/are a people with great respect for life and the earth, and they believed that you could kill an animal respectfully for food, use it well (not waste any of it) and maintain a good relationship with those animals and the earth. I believe the same thing. I haven't always done so but as I become more aware of the problems in the meat industry I do my best to minimize the harm I am causing by consuming meat. We're animals and we participate in the food chain, it's just a fact of life.
I bet the average vegetarian produces more harm to the planet, due to the transportation costs required to transport food from around the world to provide a full range of nutrients, than your average meat-eater who responsibly hunts for food.
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How can you say this? Most plants live for longer than animals, so one could argue that they have a lot more to lose. Just because a tree doesn't have the capacity to scream doesnt mean it is not aware that it is dying. Plant life release stress chemicals when it is sick, just as any animal does. The only reason you feel better eating plant life is because plants are usually more passive aggressive when you murder them.
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Sorry for the long multi-quote....
Yes, that could be argues, but for me personally- I am relatively content with being a vegan and have no desire to impose it on others. I think I would be arrogant if I assumed that anything beyond myself shares my values, extending to all life forms. I'm not willing to judge anyone else's behaviour in this regards because I am not convinced that what I'm doing is objectively right; its just the lifestyle that I am confortable with, that makes me feel the most complete and connected to the world.
In fact, I am willing to go to some lengths to allow an animal to continue its natural predilection for killing other animals for food/life. I see humans as having stepped well beyond 'the natural world' and so can adopt any value system that suits. It is important to me to know that a great white is out there hunting a seal right now. It is important to me that all animals get a degree of self-determination. Humans too, obviously.
I like the rest of your post OTW, and think it sounds like you are raising a family with good inclusive repsectful aware principles 
I agree totally and dislike those sort of crusaders also.
For me, I've certainly promoted vegetarianism to people who seemed to be lost and looking for a way to turn some realisations into action; its a simple thing that one can do, remove meat from the diet and see where that leads you. If it deepens your experience on earth why should it be denied?
Yeah yeah, drop it dude Its the tone Abject adopts, the haughty schoolmaster tone. Its hard not to get a bit shitty about really....![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Yeah, click on the user name, go to View Profile- on this page, on the left is a column of options. Select Add to Ignore List.
Its a good function that I make use of too
No Xorky because an animal should not be expected to make a decision determined by human morality. That would be highly unethical IMO.
I could get behind this. I see some value in respectful killing of animals, with thanks given and respect paid. However, this is unfeasible for a lot of people, to get enough land to raise enough food to feed themselves and their animals. That's one reason why we have factory farms.
I cannot be sure of the source of most food products, so I can't really make a truly ethical choice with what I know.
Yes, early humans did eat meat and their direct antecedents did also. But we certainly didn't evolve eating cows milk, chicken eggs, cow meat/fat, sheep, duck, etc. We've added those into our diet to replace things we no longer have access too. So it stands to reason that we can take that dietary replacement even further. Its certainly possible to be a vegetarian/vegan and eat healthy and completely. Its also certainly very easy to miss the mark ad eat poorly and suffer the results, which I unfortunately have...
Yeah, I highly doubt this TBH. And I think its a bit of a lame argument. I eat food from local producers. And I just don't believe their is "an average meat-eater who hunts for food". The vast majority of people these days do not hunt or grow their own food, so we are all reliant on transportation to some extent. But it is the period before transportation that can cause a lot of harm to the environment.
It doesn't need to a be a pointless duality here of meat eaters vs vegetarians. Its the innate human competiveness I guess, but its tiresome to the extreme. I'm not going to judge someone for living their life in their own way. I'm simply going to do the same
Yes, that could be argues, but for me personally- I am relatively content with being a vegan and have no desire to impose it on others. I think I would be arrogant if I assumed that anything beyond myself shares my values, extending to all life forms. I'm not willing to judge anyone else's behaviour in this regards because I am not convinced that what I'm doing is objectively right; its just the lifestyle that I am confortable with, that makes me feel the most complete and connected to the world.
In fact, I am willing to go to some lengths to allow an animal to continue its natural predilection for killing other animals for food/life. I see humans as having stepped well beyond 'the natural world' and so can adopt any value system that suits. It is important to me to know that a great white is out there hunting a seal right now. It is important to me that all animals get a degree of self-determination. Humans too, obviously.
I like the rest of your post OTW, and think it sounds like you are raising a family with good inclusive repsectful aware principles
I agree totally and dislike those sort of crusaders also.
For me, I've certainly promoted vegetarianism to people who seemed to be lost and looking for a way to turn some realisations into action; its a simple thing that one can do, remove meat from the diet and see where that leads you. If it deepens your experience on earth why should it be denied?
Yeah yeah, drop it dude
Its the tone Abject adopts, the haughty schoolmaster tone. Its hard not to get a bit shitty about really....Yeah, click on the user name, go to View Profile- on this page, on the left is a column of options. Select Add to Ignore List.
Its a good function that I make use of too
No Xorky because an animal should not be expected to make a decision determined by human morality. That would be highly unethical IMO.
I could get behind this. I see some value in respectful killing of animals, with thanks given and respect paid. However, this is unfeasible for a lot of people, to get enough land to raise enough food to feed themselves and their animals. That's one reason why we have factory farms.
I cannot be sure of the source of most food products, so I can't really make a truly ethical choice with what I know.
Yes, early humans did eat meat and their direct antecedents did also. But we certainly didn't evolve eating cows milk, chicken eggs, cow meat/fat, sheep, duck, etc. We've added those into our diet to replace things we no longer have access too. So it stands to reason that we can take that dietary replacement even further. Its certainly possible to be a vegetarian/vegan and eat healthy and completely. Its also certainly very easy to miss the mark ad eat poorly and suffer the results, which I unfortunately have...
Yeah, I highly doubt this TBH. And I think its a bit of a lame argument. I eat food from local producers. And I just don't believe their is "an average meat-eater who hunts for food". The vast majority of people these days do not hunt or grow their own food, so we are all reliant on transportation to some extent. But it is the period before transportation that can cause a lot of harm to the environment.
It doesn't need to a be a pointless duality here of meat eaters vs vegetarians. Its the innate human competiveness I guess, but its tiresome to the extreme. I'm not going to judge someone for living their life in their own way. I'm simply going to do the same
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treezy z
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Vegitarianism is for the weak. I'm a carnivore all day. Humans are omnivores. We are the kings of the jungle baby. I love animals but do not hold them in the same regards as humans, and me eating is more important than them living. Survival of the fit BIATCH!
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and willow, thanks for answering exactly what I would have answered. I agree with everything you said.
logically plants feel less pain then a animal because of a less developed brain-nervous system when killed because their nervous system is much less developed.
I dont see how its a argument to legitimate one's bad action (killing a animal) because you see other animal do it. You, contrary to the other animals, have a choice and you can live well enough without consuming meat. We all are responsible of our actions and choices. Those are animals just like you who are raised and killed in inhuman ways. theres no good reason to support this and we all have a responsibility about it and when you buy the meat, you encourage the industry.. I dont care about people who eat meat, I dont hate any of you, but it seems that your excuses to find acceptable eating meat doesnt hold up morally.
logically plants feel less pain then a animal because of a less developed brain-nervous system when killed because their nervous system is much less developed.
I dont see how its a argument to legitimate one's bad action (killing a animal) because you see other animal do it. You, contrary to the other animals, have a choice and you can live well enough without consuming meat. We all are responsible of our actions and choices. Those are animals just like you who are raised and killed in inhuman ways. theres no good reason to support this and we all have a responsibility about it and when you buy the meat, you encourage the industry.. I dont care about people who eat meat, I dont hate any of you, but it seems that your excuses to find acceptable eating meat doesnt hold up morally.
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It is generally accepted that a plants "brain" is its complex root system. While it might not be as efficient as our soggy neuron complex, it does control the plant system and also communicate with surrounding plants using chemicals, almost identical to our own brains. The only difference is plants seem to be standing on their heads
This is not a new thought, Charles Darwin postulated such an idea
This is not a new thought, Charles Darwin postulated such an idea
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sure, it sucks to have to kill plants to eat.
but how can anyone think that killing a plant is as worse as killing a animal is weird to me. it seems quite clear by their physionomy that they would suffer much less then a animal. also, a animal suffer all his life because how its treated in the farms, while plants simply grow and have all their nutriments needed then bam, we harvest them. its not like they have a life of misery with a lack of freedom ect.
ideally, we wouldnt have to kills plants to survive, but I have the feeling that its much less problematic morally to eat them
like ayuhasca, mescaline ect showed me in my trip, it seems that they are more then happy to give their life to help us. some plants seems only there to help us to grow spiritually (like psychoactive plants) or to survive and give our needed nutriments.
but how can anyone think that killing a plant is as worse as killing a animal is weird to me. it seems quite clear by their physionomy that they would suffer much less then a animal. also, a animal suffer all his life because how its treated in the farms, while plants simply grow and have all their nutriments needed then bam, we harvest them. its not like they have a life of misery with a lack of freedom ect.
ideally, we wouldnt have to kills plants to survive, but I have the feeling that its much less problematic morally to eat them
like ayuhasca, mescaline ect showed me in my trip, it seems that they are more then happy to give their life to help us. some plants seems only there to help us to grow spiritually (like psychoactive plants) or to survive and give our needed nutriments.
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So now the plants are communicating with you via psychoactive chemicals? 
Is suffering only quantifiable by the sound an organism makes when it dies? What about the suffering of the community of bacteria and fungus which lives in symbiotic harmony with a plant? It seems you are imparting human standards to life on a organism which has no way of expressing its views. In effect you are murdering the intellectually handicap of the ecosystem to satisfy your own selfish sustenance.
I'd argue that animals too are here on this earth to help us grow
Is suffering only quantifiable by the sound an organism makes when it dies? What about the suffering of the community of bacteria and fungus which lives in symbiotic harmony with a plant? It seems you are imparting human standards to life on a organism which has no way of expressing its views. In effect you are murdering the intellectually handicap of the ecosystem to satisfy your own selfish sustenance.
I'd argue that animals too are here on this earth to help us grow
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otw said:
Another point of difference, they are also often green.
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I use my logic and common sense to help me see if a action seems moral or not.
and yes, seeing blood, a animal who cry, who strugle, who would do anything in its power to try to survive seems to tell me that I shouldnt kill it.
between this and cutting a plant and often just taking the fruit of a tree seems far less problematic.
and yes, seeing blood, a animal who cry, who strugle, who would do anything in its power to try to survive seems to tell me that I shouldnt kill it.
between this and cutting a plant and often just taking the fruit of a tree seems far less problematic.
So now the plants are communicating with you via psychoactive chemicals?
Is suffering only quantifiable by the sound an organism makes when it dies? What about the suffering of the community of bacteria and fungus which lives in symbiotic harmony with a plant? It seems you are imparting human standards to life on a organism which has no way of expressing its views. In effect you are murdering the intellectually handicap of the ecosystem to satisfy your own selfish sustenance.
I'd argue that animals too are here on this earth to help us grow
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Lizards and frogs love the sun too
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Yeah but have you ever seen a green cow?
But given the subjective nature of morality, can you really make this statement and have it mean anything? I find it a problem because morals are like opinions. Everyone has different ones.
I can't offer a good reason why I eat plants. Its ultimately that I don't see the harm in it in a broader way.
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But given the subjective nature of morality, can you really make this statement and have it mean anything? I find it a problem because morals are like opinions. Everyone has different ones.
I can't offer a good reason why I eat plants. Its ultimately that I don't see the harm in it in a broader way.