Vasonstriction and vivd hallucinations v.methylone

[infantannihilator]

So I finally got my hands on some and decided to try it last night, around 8:30 I dropped 200mg, then at 9:30 insufflated 63mg, and then from then until around 12:30 I picked at another 100mg. I would say I rolled pretty hard.

However.. an insane amount of bruxism kicked in, like full on mdma style, dry mouth I couldn't seem to satiate at all, but I was still really high at this point and having a good time.. I decided around 1am I wanted to go for a walk, but being high and continuing to get distracted I didn't actually head out until 2ish and by this point I was definitely coming down.

As soon as I got outside I noticed the stars all had a webbing between them, like lines from each star attached to the next, something I get from the 2c's. I also started to notice fractal type cevs, though not overly colourful, and due to the darkness they turned oev. So everything is pretty fine and dandy here, and I head toward this little field type dog walking park area behind all the houses in the suburb where I go to walk and stare at the stars and smoke weed.. and then:

so I get out there and im noticin some closed eye turned open visuals cause of the darkness (its not lit, nature n shit).. I look at the stars and they're all drawin lines to each other like happens when I take a psychedlic but not as extrme.. and then im walking down the path headphones on and I see this silhouette of a dog.. and the fuckin thing starts comin right for me, im almost shitting my pants at this point because Ive heard animals before down there including a dog one time..

so its fuckin headstrong comin right at me.. I mean like I didnt know if itd be friendly or what so I get ready to boot what looks to be easily a 100lb german sherppard.. and its like 2 feet from me and disapears.

I started going back home like right that instant.. I walked a few meters looked back and I can see it jumpin around and I yelled "go away" and it fuckin started comin right for me again.. and again it dispeared just as it got to me..

so I said fuck it I aint lookin back and focused on the street way ahead.. and then I see it ahead of me.. its juimpin around and shit and then moves towards me and gets on his hindlegs like one of those fighting spiders or something all "come at me bro" and then it disappeared again

holy fuck I think I am way higher than I think I am..

So, naturally, this scared the fuck out of me, this was a true vivid hallucination, I knew it wasnt there after it first disappeared, but it was there and I wasn't going to find out what else was out there..

From there the high continued to fade however it seemed even higher vasoconstriction set in, my blood pressure was very high, I could feel my heart thumping, breathing was forced like I kept having to remind myself to breath because Id find myself having inhaled and holding the breath, and a few times I just stopped feeling my heart entirely.. I also had to piss like literally every 10 minutes, and at first it was hard, I could feel the constriction in my parts. I didn't freak out I knew I was still alive and had no pain so whatever, but the fact I could not see any veins at all freaked me out a bit, but I stayed cool and a meal and eventually fell asleep around 5

So 17 hours later I feel alright, no real "hangover," however I am still noticeably stimulated (restless legs) and still vasoconstricted to the point where I cannot see the veins in my hands at all unless I windmill my arm. muscles all over feel absolutely drained. resting heart rate is still slightly elevated though nothing worrisome, and I can feel my blood pressure is above normal due to the constriction. There is nothing alarming, no purpleness, just a cold I can't get rid of, and my urine is a good colour so I know my kidneys arent constricted to the point they're shutting down or anything like that

I'm not really worried, but I never expected this, especially not to last this long and I certainly did not expect full blown vivid hallucinations.. I have only my experience to thank for not freaking the fuck out.

Anyone deal with this? I'm not sure if what I am feeling is due to my redosing or just a personal reaction to methylone. In hindsight the extra 100mg I sifted through was unnecessary, but I was feeling very moreish at the time . I enjoyed the 'roll' but these unwanted after effects are not enjoyable at all and Im thinking they outweigh the benefits..

Thoughts?

 

[MagickalKat777]

Sounds like you dosed way too high. Honestly, methylone has a less is more effect, especially on the initial dose. It is a marvelous drug at the right dose but you started off with 50mg more than my comfort zone for starting dose and I have a lot of experience with it. Higher doses don't add much except side effects as methylone definitely has a ceiling. I've seen it as low as 100mg and as high as 250mg from the same batch.

It is much more variable in dose/response than something like MDMA.

Redosing is inevitably going to cause vasoconstriction and tachycardia as you start coming down. I found this effect to be diminished with crystal methylone as opposed to powder but it is just a trait of the cathinone family. They all do this. In my experience, cathinones are much harder on the CNS than most amphetamines, especially if you go on a bender with them.

I wouldn't recommend insufflating methylone by the way. It just makes the side effects worse - methylone is best oral or plugged.

As for the visuals, I got visuals a few times from methylone but only when I had the eye wobbles (nystagmus). Did you happen to get that? Because I can make myself hallucinate vivid hallucinations when I'm sober if I force my eyes to wobble although nothing like when I'm tripping or rolling.

One final thing - are you sure that what you got was methylone? Because all kinds of things are being passed off as "methylone" now that its scheduled.

 

[infantannihilator]

Yeah, I think I did as well. I settled on 200mg because it seemed what a lot of people were doing, I realize I threw HR out the window and feel kind of a twat for it, but what's done is done so I see no sense to dwell on that. Also I noticed a lot of people were either redosing at the hour point with another oral dose the same, or insufflating half dose, and being that I like insufflating, I decided to go for that as an 'attack.' I agree as I said that the extra 100 after was not necessary, I just wonder how much that led to the issues I faced.

My methylone is beautiful clear crystals that readily dissolve in room temperature water and has a sharp chemical taste, though I know that in no way means it is what they say it is, but I have very good trust in this vendor.

My only other cathinone use has been 4mmc and I didn't really experience any of the same effects even after spending a whole night snifting every hour going through about 600mg. Elevated heart rate and vasoconstriction are a given for stims so I knew things were alright, its just they have persisted to this point when they should have been long worn off. I seemed to gain much stronger effects from the redosing while I was in the roll, and yes I did have pretty heavy eye wiggles for about an hour, though I can't give you a time frame.

When I say hallucination, I mean like 'ate a whole box of diphenhydramine' type hallucination, that dog was real. Like I said I have only my experience to thank for not freaking the hell out. After doing some reading I've noticed others have had this happen, and some even having auditory and tactile hallucinations.. Thank christ I didn't have those because if that dog did manage to bite me or whatever I can only imagine how that would have went down.

Next time, if there is a next time, I'm going to forgo the insufflating even though I like it and just stick with an oral dose and see how that plays out. I guess I won't know for sure if what occurred was a manifestation of the insufflated redosing unless I do it again. I mean I did enjoy it, I'm just not exactly enjoying it at the moment.. seventeen hours later. lol.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I never let myself get to that point with methylone to be honest... If I overdid it, I aborted the comedown (rather irresponsibly - alcohol and benzos). That vasoconstriction sounds quite unusual for methylone though as does the "beautiful clear crystals" description. Methylone "crystal" is usually a fine granular powder. It looks a lot like MDMA crystals to me, chunky and blocky - mephedrone had some amazing crystal structure though. I loved the satisfaction of those cylindrical crystals. It was always such a shame to crush them up and destroy their magnificence LOL

EDIT: Actually, I forgot about the "moon rock" methylone that I had. It still turned into crystals that looked a lot like MDMA when broken though.

 

[infantannihilator]

Well, I'm certain its methylone based on the dose and the effects noticed. The vendor has 3rd party gc/ms up too but I don't know how to read those. They're not so much crystals, but crystal clear rocks, along with some smaller granules. I got 3 grams so they threw in a couple nice sized rocks. They crush very easily into a fine powder. I mean powder is really just crushed crystal or rock whatever you want to call it, my lines looked pure white, and you'd easily mistake them for coke at a glance.. only the texture and the smell would alert you otherwise. I was actually very surprised that there was no real burn; I had expected a 4mmc level burn and to be honest was kinda bummed about that! lol

To be honest with you I feel as if the vasoconstriction is actually getting worse.. the veins in my hands look like hairs rather than the fat overcooked spaghetti noodles they typically look like and I have a lot of tension in my neck at the moment. It seems the left side of my body is worse. my breathing is slightly laboured too, it feels like no matter how hard I try I cant get a deep breath. I'm still not to the point of true worry but this is very uncomfortable and disconcerting to say the least..

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here is a picture I took http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/13/thumbnail/nytesezu.jpg
once you wipe off the powder/dust what appears is a clear crystal/rock

I'm actually considering hitting the drug store after work and being honest with the pharmacist that I took a substituted cathinone and I am experiencing an uncomfortable vasoconstriction and seeing if they have any sort of OTC vasodilator.. I know dark chocolate helps, and I know that a preworkout I use has arginine in it iirc which causes vasodilation, but it also contains large amounts of caffeine. I know my veins do dilate when I take it and work out, but I'd rather not put my heart through anymore stimulation. 8(

 

[MagickalKat777]

Hmmm... I would get your blood pressure taken. Vein size isn't necessarily something to go by with regard to vasoconstriction since vasoconstriction is generally expressed in the arteries. My veins expand and contract throughout the day and I haven't done any drugs in a long time. In fact my veins are quite small right now but my pulse and blood pressure are normal. Its quite possible that you are very dehydrated as that can cause breathing issues and contracted veins.

Either way, I wouldn't tell anyone that you took a substituted cathinone, that's asking for trouble to be honest.

Definitely don't add any caffeine to the mix - chocolate has caffeine as well.

Honestly you probably just need to relax and go to sleep.

As for the methylone picture, there is really no way to know that what you have is indeed methylone without having it lab tested, I'm sure you know that.

 

[infantannihilator]

Yeah, maybe I should invest in the apparatus to take my blood pressure. I see your point, its just that my veins in my extremities are never so small, I'm a very vascular guy so when I can't see veins it raises alarms. I doubt its dehydration, thats pretty much rule #1 as far as stims go, stay hydrated. As it is I try to drink a few litres of water a day regardless.

I'm feeling better as I write this, it was the tension in my neck and the fact that it seemed like I could feel every pulse forcing its way to my brain. tingly feelings in my hands and arms and other weird phantom feelings.. its been quite an experience.

I honestly don't think it would be an issue telling a pharmacist, its all confidential and they don't know my name anyway. Plus its not illegal to possess cathinone substitutes, it's a bit of a 'grey' area. Either way I didn't bother going, I'll just ride it out, I haven't died yet lol.

I just posted the picture so you could get a better idea of my description of the product, not in any way to identify what it was. picture speaks a thousand words they say.

Anyway, this has been an enlightening experience in more ways than one.. Its easy to see how people ended up going ham off 'bath salts' binge for a few days and then end up with vivid realistic hallucinations. yikes.

 

[Synaesthesia242]

My girlfriend also had very sever vasoconstriction and crazy hallucinations (as in seeing things that weren't there, looked 100% real). I was really worried about her. Don't take a high dose of Methylone!

 

[Blue Druid]

vinpocetine is a vasodilator which should be available in most health shops, I'm sure there's others but that's all I can think of offhand.
Actually I see now it's 5 days since your original post so I suspect (& hope) things have improved for you by now.

 

[Solipsis]

Methylone discussion actually belongs in ED now, but I expect that you will want this thread to stay in PD.. So as an exception, let's for now.