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Vaporising Alcohol

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Sky News just reported on what appears may become the newest craze, marketed among other things as a dieting aid!! 8(

Vaporising and inhaling alcohol is claimed to reduce the problems of weight gain, while providing a quick route to getting pissed.

Various health concerns were raised, including the possiblity of falling unconscious while using the method, as the rate of delivery is very high. Mention was also made regarding the possibility that increased brain damage may occur with chronic use via this method.

Of course it takes little imagination to realise that this device will lend itself to other substance mixtures, providing all sorts of new experiences, and, no doubt also some of the problems associated with altering the dose response of drugs, particularly alcohol, which by normal ingestion usually provides a high margin for error.

So I'm interested to hear if anyone has tried vaporising alcohol, and if so what were your thoughts? Will it be known on the street and in bars, as Mistin'?

Looking at the NEWS report it looks like a rather large ergonomically designed Hooker :\
 
are u serious?

i can just see it now - a lighter, an idiot and an alcohol vaporiser - lets set some heads on fire ala Michael Jackson.

btw, done it by accident (inhaled industrial ethanol fumes that is) gets you wasted very quickly, before you realize it...not the way to go.
 
Ethanol vapor intoxication? Yep me too; the worst time being when studying the Great Work - Alchemy. I was soxhleting some plant material without good ventilation. Not using a flame source I could leave it unattended so I went off for lunch, came back and phew - the condenser hose had fallen off at the tap :p By the time I got the almost dry flask out and changed the hot extractor thimble, I emerged -stumbled out very light headed.

But anytime I've accidentally inhaled alcohol vapors, I've been left with a pounding, fatiguing headache, so I would hope that this is not a common side effect with a vaporisor.



As the process is so efficient, very little alcohol would be needed. I guess that weak EtOH (ethanol) and water mixtures would be used, so hopefully there would be little change of an inflammable mixture, but who knows. Perhaps they'll have to also ban lighters when the ban on smoking becomes universal ;)

No offence to those who use/need inhalers, but to be honest, the TV footage reminded me a bit of a bunch of Asthma sufferers sitting round a table getting their Ventolin fix; a scene I witnessed once and will never forget. 8(
 
... and alcohol suddenly becomes available in a highly concentrated but hard enough to measure form that it is as risky to dose as random concentrations of 1,4B ...?
 
^^ very true BT. Hopefully health authorities will review this carefully before assuming that because it's alcohol, it must be relatively safe.

Using your imagination, it's easy to see the technique being applied to other areas such as;
  • Inhaling vaporised solutions of drugs
  • Fast delivery of solvent mixtures containing drugs in difficult states of protonation/ionisation
  • Administering drugs which cannot be taken orally
There's 3 out of many possible examples...
 
Inhalation of ethyl alcohol vapor allows the absorption of ethyl alcohol across the pulmonary epithelium. This method of ethyl alcohol administration has formed the basis of a simple and effective means of administering alcohol to animals in experimental situations (e. g. Goldstein and Pal, 1971; Becker et al. ).

The advantage of this procedure is the ability to maintain ethyl alcohol exposure to a consistent amount of ethyl alcohol for a determined amount of time. This produces stable concentrations of ethyl alcohol in the animal in contrast to fluctuating levels seen after other routes of administration (see below). An extreme illustration of absorption via the inhalation route is the case of an infant who died when isopropanol was added to the humidifier of a mechanical ventilator by mistake. The child was initially found profoundly intoxicated (Vicas and Beck, 1993).
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From: http://chemcases.com/alcohol/alc-04.htm

That site's a fairly easy to read guide for study purposes if anyone's interested. Except... I couldn't immediately locate the refs he's quoted there, I gather there's a bibliography in there somewhere.

The idea of being able to maintain a steady state concentration of alcohol in the blood sounds intriguing to me. I wonder whether such a delivery system could be exploited to allow people to safely deliver a measured 0.01% or 0.05% blood alcohol concentration without worrying about going over the legal driving limit... etc.? If you knew for sure that your blood alcohol concentration was xyz% (subject to whatever limits you have on the technology managing the dose) you might be able to estimate more accurately how long it will take to be sober again. That kind of dosing would be far more like a nebuliser as people mentioned above, and less like a balloon full of inhalants.

BT :)
 
Good find BT. I looked for some time and came up with 0 on the commercial venture.

I guess that if the outcome was to "limit" over-intoxication, it would certainly be beneficial. Somehow though, I can't see it replacing the social ritual of drinking, at least with most conservative types. The practice looks more akin to drug taking, and like a bong, a pipe or a nang, it's difficult to talk mid way through a hit, as opposed to sipping between sentences.
 
I have to say, I cant see it hitting off any time soon. Being that one of the main reasons people drink alcohol is to go out and socialise over a few/many drinks. I would think that the only people who would really pick up on the vapourising idea would be kids who are out to get as fucked up as possible in the shortest period of time. Other than that it really seems to turn the whole drinking alcohol process into more of a drug-taking type of one.

stace.
 
In my chemistry class yesterday some brainless wonder of a student decided to try this.

We're learning the fundamentals of chemistry, so we did a simple fractional distillation to remove the ethanol from wine. The wanker pulled off the condenser and inhaled the ethanol vapour. Nothing too dramatic happened - he had to be carried to his seat and didn't move much for the rest of the lesson. He wont be returning to chemistry.

I think that people who are after this kind of high will simply stick to chroming. A lot of alcohol use is, as stacyrox said, a social matter.
 
HaHa, LOL. here's one in every crowd aye apollo =D

Chemistry class is where lots of things can, and generally do happen. You'll have some great stories by the time you're through. BTW, did you learn how to make absolute ethanol (97% )?
 
My tutor said the same - that chemistry makes interesting story telling 5 years down the track :)

The word 'absolute' wasn't mentioned in the briefing, so I'm asuming we didn't. We set fire to it though, and it all burnt away... Is that any indication of purity?

(We really need a chemistry/science/pharmacology forum around here!)

I had a thought with the alcohol inhalation thing - seeing as ethanol only becomes a breatheable vapour at 78 degrees, wouldn't it be rather unpleasant to inhale (being quite hot?) As well as that, wouldn't part of it condense in your mouth/throat?
 
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evaporation rate vs boiling point

explained here

oh, i recon a steady state b/c will inevitably lead to tolerance issues and violations, as w/any delivery mechanism..

"got me a bad case of the vapors, homeboy"
--Cecil and Cedric twins talking to Psychic Sam after spending $50,000 in a 7-day crack binge in a Motel 6
 
Triple J had a story on its current affair half hour program 'Hack', I have encoded it and it can be downloaded as a .wma here [492kb, 3.56 mins].

I'll say this now rather than later when people complain but wma is better for voice than mp3, however you might need to play in windows media or download windows media player classic as it wouldn't play in winamp for me.

Society does not perceive alcohol to be a drug, and they condone its use and abuse, with stark contrast to other drugs, labelled as illicit. I have always been of the opinion that if alcohol was discovered today, rather than thousands of years ago it would be scheduled, as under the current law it has no medical use. Imagine my surprise when I hear that people have dropped the social aspect of consuming the drug orally, and have chosen to vaporise it to obtain a quicker, cheaper high! The manufacturers are marketing it in a way that it does just this, and claiming it provides little hangover.

By vaporising the alcohol you are accepting that you use alcohol to obtain an altered state, as there is nothing social about inhaling alcoholic vapour from a gas mask - i can't imagine you could speak very well. It puts a very sinister spin on things transforming what society perceives as a social drug, into one where people are only using it to get high. People have long used the excuse they drink to be social, however how much truth is really in that?
 
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yeah I only just seen it on the news before.
said on the news. quote "it don't give u a hanvoer, it don't add on calories & u get drunk faster" (I dont beleive the part about no hangover though)
it showed ppl a couple of chicks inhaling it outta this little device. supposingly ppl in england are already using them.
I wouldnt mind givin it a try if i had the proper inhaler & it was safe & all..
....u dont need to be young to wanna get drunk as fast as possible.. I mean it would be easier on ya stomach than takin shots.
...I dont understand how the device works. Could someone explain how u turn alcohol liquid into vapor?
 
Thanks for the link Cowboy Mac.

In light of expressed health concerns, and with the recent banning of meth vaporizors in Victoria, if these devices were to be marketed there, wouldn't that be seen as somewhat of a double standard? :\
 
...I dont understand how the device works. Could someone explain how u turn alcohol liquid into vapor?
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Did you read nanobrains link [Edit: and BT's]?

As to how the process is mechanised. Several methods exist for vaporising. The basic process involves either blowing a fine jet of air over the surface of a liquid, or blowing a mixture through a venturi or jet. The pressure and the shape of the jet will cause the liquid to vaporise.

With the later, many such devices are limited through design, to only using specific mixtures; several physical properties being involved.

The other common type, often seen in essential oil diffusers, is more simple. Blowing over a volatile substance/mixture will release it's odor. Same principles are at play here.
 
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I think it will be a bit of a passing phase. People will hear about it and be interested/curious about it and probably try it. Must admit I will probably try it just out of interest. But I really cant see myself venturing down the pub and sitting at the bar with a ventilator or mask thing on. As others have said, drinking in australian culture is predominantly a social exercise and this method of alcohol consumption is not conducive to socialising.
But yeah i think people will try it and it will fade away or sit somewhere in the background for the individuals who wish to use it in order to get as smashed as fast as possible.
Maybe we will one day see people standing at a bar having inhalation competitions instead of shot comps.

Beech out
 
My friendly neighbourhood barman has a drink called a C5 which involves igniting a 100+ proof spirit in a shot glass and then trapping the gas with an upturned glass held above the shot glass, followed quickly by sucking the gas out of the glass using a straw while it remains upside down. It's certainly a way to get drunk quickly... whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you I guess.
 
I've heard of some old school rockers that used to put vodka or any other type of spirits into their bong inplace of water to achieve the similar effect. Not being a big drinker, or bong smoker, I might give this a miss.
 
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