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using Zicam to tripp

Stoner094

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Still fairly new to Bluelight so sorry for any mistakes made. Anyway I have been doing alot of research as I always do before doing anything new the little bottles thats like .55oz would that be enough to make me trip? lets say I am a rather large guy 6'3" 275 and have never experimented with DXM before and thats why I am here to get safe information that is unique to me so would 1 bottle be enough to make me trip? And to what "Plataeu" or whatever they refer to it as. As said I am, a DXM noob. Sorry for the long post. Thanks
 
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We don't swim here, it has never provided anyone with any legal protection, and makes posts annoying to read. Please replace the term with a personal pronoun like "I".

First of all, you should do a small test dose of 60-80mg or so, if you can feel this dose well and it intoxicates you then you are deficient of the CYP2D6 enzyme that is responsible for breaking down the drug. If you are like this, you should either avoid taking DXM all together (it can easily last for days if you are deficient, and is much less safe) or be very cautious in dosage. Assuming you pass that test just fine, I'd aim for a low second plateau dose for your first experience.

Here is an online dosage calculator to estimate how much you need based off your weight to get where you want http://members.fortunecity.com/bluehat1/dxmcalculator.html

You may also want to check out the B&D DXM thread http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/297017-The-Big-amp-Dandy-DXM-Thread, which has a number of useful subthreads linked in it as well. Be sure to read up, especially on possible interactions and general knowledge about the drug before attempting the experience! If you don't yet know what plateaux are, you definitely need to read more to have a better understanding of the drug before experiencing it, for your own safety and pleasure. :) Good luck.
 
i tried to edit the post but im only on my non smartphone and it will not let me edit it i clicked it and my phone just showed a loadin symbol for a second then stopped and to the calculator you mentioned once again i cant really use that as im on my phone i can click links and things of that nature to see texts and images but aside from that nothing else really
 
I'll change the stuff to I if you want, we could leave it like this as well, just don't SWIM in the future and everything is dandy. But could you get on a computer with internet at some later point to use the calculator? If not, I'd normally recommend 200mg to for your first real experience (after the test), but if you weigh 275 it might be necessary to go closer to 300mg.
 
yes change it if you wouldnt mind. Really im just looking for the best possible way to use DXM the reason i said Zicam is because iv read it has 397mg of dxm. But if you happen to have a better suggestion i had also been lookin at delsym if youve had any experience with that i saw a 3OZ and a 5OZ bottle at walmart the other day. Which would be a better safer choice?
 
i clicked the link to the calculator you posted (couldnt use it obviously) but under it it gave information about the different levels (i forgot how to spell the actually word lol) and well the 4th sounds slightly horrorific but at the same time curiosity kicks in but i do not plan on going there anytime soon i was thinking something along the lines of the 1P or the 2P could you actually tell me what mg would take me to what "Level (spelling issue)" just so i know how much to take and well not over do it and lose my fuckin mind by accident. Also im thinkin i may go with the delsym if i cant find the zicam because you said delsym is different in a way so would the dosage need to be increased?
 
do not choose delsym for your first time. it is NOT DXM HBr. Delsym is DXM Polistirex, which means the drug is bound to microscopic plastic resins for extended action. This means that IF you try to trip on delsym, you will be tripping for 24+ hours compared to a standard DXM HBr preparation. It makes accidental overdose much more dangerous.

Stick with something that has ONLY DXM HBr in it. No polistirex, no guaifenesin, no acetaminophen or paracetamol, no ibuprofen, no chlorpheniramine, no diphenhydramine, no pseudoephedrine, etc.
 
I used to love the DXM zicams, they hit me alot harder then cough syrup, and taking a little DXM-shot with 400mg is alot easier then chugging a bottle of syrupy nastiness.
 
do not choose delsym for your first time. it is NOT DXM HBr. Delsym is DXM Polistirex, which means the drug is bound to microscopic plastic resins for extended action. This means that IF you try to trip on delsym, you will be tripping for 24+ hours compared to a standard DXM HBr preparation. It makes accidental overdose much more dangerous.

Stick with something that has ONLY DXM HBr in it. No polistirex, no guaifenesin, no acetaminophen or paracetamol, no ibuprofen, no chlorpheniramine, no diphenhydramine, no pseudoephedrine, etc.

okay aside from the delsym what other products are worth choosing? also if you could list how much dxm is in the product and could any1 tell me how much would be taken to reach each plateau?
 
Honestly I think DXM polistirex is fine to use, atleast using just one bottle. I don't think one bottle of delsym has ever harmed anyone.

Also, you could just use standard robitussin cough, or a generic version, with DXM only, but it tastes really, really, really bad. Robitussin cough and its generics contain 354mg of DXM in one bottle, and that is enough for a strong high.
 
are you considering my height/weight? Also it would be my first dxm experience. Define good high? Like 1st plateau or not quite there
 
Stoner: First off, let me say that you're taking the right steps with this by asking questions. Please don't assume anything! If you're unsure about anything at all come back to this thread, reply, and I and others will help you! If you go searching for the last few posts I made on this forum you'll find my story of nearly dying on this stuff one night because I was really stupid. Don't be like me! Learn from my mistakes! ;)

That said, here is what I suggest you do;

- First off, go here: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm.shtml and read everything you can on the subject. Lots of good information on that page, make sure to go read some of the trip reports to get an idea of what DXM is like.

- Second: Make extra sure that when you visit the webpage above that you read over the DXM FAQ: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_faq.shtml This contains a ton of useful information about DXM, basically it covers everything known about it at the time the FAQ was last updated. I'm not saying everything it says is 100% correct, but for the most part, its a very good read.

- Third: I see you're asking about which product you should use, and lots of people are telling you to go for a syrup or cough spray. I'll be honest here, nothing short of DXM powder is going to be great for you, as the OTC medications come with all sorts of fillers. However, you can make smart choices about which you will using. Some pointers on the subject:

- 1) Stay far away from anything that has any other active in it aside from DXM, all products like this should be avoided. You ever hear of "triple C's"? Those things are really bad for you, don't ever do them....ever.

- 2) The sprays and syrups are fine and most people seem to have no problems with them. I've personally never used them to "trip" because I didn't fancy the idea of chugging all that stuff, and I can't find the right kind of zicam locally. What I've always used are the robotussin gelcaps. I suggest you do this as well for a few reasons:

- 3) each gelcap contains 15mg of DXM HBr and as a result you'll have a much easier time figuring out exactly how much you're ingesting. I'm a small guy, 120lbs and half a bottle of these (20 come in each bottle, so 300mg per bottle) is enough to put me near 2nd plateau, if I take an entire bottle I'm in a high 2nd/low 3rd plateau. For my first trip (after testing at 80mg or whatever is was to make sure I wasn't someone that lacked the enzyme to properly break it down in my liver.) I went for an entire bottle at 300mg and had an awesome time. The CEVs were amazing and I spent the peak of the trip laying in bed listening to classical music and going through a trip through space. I sent out txts to friends while going through the trip, one of which said "Man, when I close my eyes, I'm ice skating on the rings of Saturn!". It was highly enjoyable to say the least!

- 4) You need to get familiar with how much you'll need to reach the plateau you're shooting for. If you follow the links I sent to you in this post, and the advice of others in this thread you should be able to do some simple math to figure how much you'll need exactly to reach each plateau. Keep in mind that you'll need to convert your body weight from lbs to kg. From there you'll be able to figure out how much you'll need to attain the effects you're seeking. Each plateau is different...1st is like begin "drunk/stoned", the 2nd is where the "trippy" effects are to kick in, the third and fourth I've never gone for and don't suggest going above the 2nd until you get a good idea of the effects, get an idea if this is for you, and after that you might want to step up to the 3rd "level". I've personally found that a high 2nd plateau is my "sweet spot", although I do plan on trying a 3rd plateau at some point.

- 5) Do not mix DXM with drugs like the benzo classes of drugs, or pain killers, or anything else that might interact badly. Read the FAQs I linked you to and read the threads others have linked you to as well. I highly suggest not mixing DXM with anything but cannabis, and even then you need to be careful not to toke too much of that stuff while tripping as it can sends things up to another level and give you effects that you weren't expecting (as in, it'll come on a lot stronger and "boost" your trip to the next level sometimes). Don't think you can mix this safely with anything unless you have other drugs you've developed a tolerance to. Even then, keep the doses low until you get idea of how they interact and never ever ever assume just because you have a tolerance to the other substances that they might not interact with the DXM well at all. That time I almost died/had what I consider a OBE/NDE is due to the fact that I made the mistake of mixing oxycodone with DXM after taking 2mg of xanax several hours before...also I hadn't slept in 18 hours or so. All that combined was just too much for my body/mind to handle, and at some point I blacked out and lost many hours of time...very scary! I'm lucky to be alive imho.

- Again, please be safe and do all the research you can on the subject and ask any questions about stuff you're unsure about. Also, this is nothing like mushrooms or lady Alice. If you're expecting a trip like that you're going to be a bit disappointing for you as you're going to be bummed that it isn't like the two drugs I mentioned. DXM is more like K, although, it has its own unique properties.

- Stay safe man, if you'd like, PM me and I'd be willing to discuss this with you in detail as I understand you might not want to ask questions in the forums sometimes.

I'd go into more detail here but I've just consumed my nightly 2mg of xanax and its starting to kick in and I have company expecting to come by any minute. I'll be around later tonight though after they leave. If I remember before I pass out I'll make sure to check this thread and reply again if you have any more questions.

Once again stay safe, and don't be the idiot I was/am when it comes to this stuff. Yes its an OTC, but you need to respect it like any other drug, illegal or otherwise.

Best of luck to you. Also, one last bit of advice before I go: Make sure you're in a good mind state, in a good setting, and are prepared to deal with things in your past mid-trip (like say, if you've had drama in your life it WILL be flying through your thoughts while in the middle of your trip. I suggest you face these problems and try to work through them whilst tripping instead of trying to "fight" them as that's just going to make you uneasy and might lead to a "bad trip. Also, if you have a trusted friend, have it trip sit for you at least on your first attempt to trip on this stuff. I've always done it without a sitter, but I did sit for my friend on his first experience with DXM. If you can, find a local friend that's willing to try it with you. Have him sit for you one your first "trip", and return the favor when he'd ready to give it a good to.

Feel free to reply here, or send me a PM if you have questions that you don't want to post on the public forums. I'm pretty well read on the subject, and aside from my stupid attempt at mixing it with my other DOCs I feel like I can give you sound advice on any questions you might have.

Stay safe man, and remember, always test the waters with these new substances before "going for that awesome trip". You need to build up basically to the dosage that's right for you. Eventually you'll find your sweet spot. Never attempt going past the 2nd plateau until you've become used to the effects, after that, you might consider stepping up to the 3rd/4th.

Best of luck to you! Hope you enjoy DXM. Please also keep in mind, this is something you don't want to do every day. I suggest you each at least 2 weeks before tripping again, 3 weeks if your last trip was at the 3rd plateau etc.

When I come back later on at night I'll reply back to fill you in on any questions I might have missed. Company just showed up so...I gotta go for now.

- Peace, love, and Headphones. :)
 
very descriptive and a very good reply. This is what i was looking for and yes i do have tolerences to other drugs but they may have gone down as its been a while with thing such as hydrocodone ambien oxy and tramadol damn i was doing fuckin tons of tramadol not even playin id pop about 7 or 8 juss chill for a little while (like 30mins ) pop 2-4 more and i was doin this every 2-4hours then they just started making me sick i railed a few but my nose basicly got clogged with all the powder and once i started mixing Liquor such as vodka with the tramadol i stopped feeling the sick feeling (odd huh) and felt amazing but anyway to get to the point i always do my research about anything im unfamiliar with but once iv done it enough i kinda feel as if iv got the hang of it and feel better about using it and knowing about how much to take and for the weed issue you mentionedd im prolly not gonna have any (i dont have any now) and if im not able to get some tomorrow im juss gonna prly get something with DXM as you said your a small frame person i am not lol so i would think dosage would need to be adjusted and i believe my weight in kg is approx 125kg. Also with mosts links i can only click them and see text and images but not really use features on a site. You mentioned DXM powder i honestly dont have a clue where i could purchase it and it seems like just buying a product at the store would be easier in reality as i could look at the product and do my research and not just get a powder in the mail know what i mean? I saw an extraction guide on how to extratct the dxm p powder from delsym idk if it works but said use a milk jug fill it with 3/4 water mix in the delsym let it sit for approx 2 hours then the dxm will be a sludge like substance then you drain the water and let the powder dry.
 
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