Opioids Using Suboxone to withdraw from Oxycontin

[Jehosaphet]

I've been addicted to Oxycontin for about 4 months and take approximately 80mg a day (I've made an effort to not go above this for financial reasons) but have recently started taking suboxone. I only have to take a quarter of a pill, twice a day, to feel fine. I'm on my fifth day now, but it just seems too easy.

Not only am I not feeling any of the withdrawals, but I feel great! My question is; am I actually coming off of Oxycontin? Is my body actually withdrawing from the substance? Is my tolerance for Oxycontin going down, or will it go down as I continue the Suboxone treatment?

This has probably been asked before, but any feedback (or a point to another thread) would be great!

 

[Pegasus]

You're simply trading the opiate you are addicted to with bupe. The dose of bupe that you are on would probably be more likely to have increased the amount of oxy that you would need to get good effects rather than decreased it.

Check out the bupe megathread for a ton of information about everything bupe related. Feel free to ask any questions there...

 

[Bojangles69]

Yeh its def NOT that simple.
If you're not feeling wds than that time basically still counts as getting high. Even though your not. Which is why I just hopped off bupe back to the poppy train. You will ideally need to taper the sub super low, at which point you should start feeling wds. And you'd have to deal with them for a while before you'd jump of as low as possible and hopefully not experience wds.

But the process is much longer and complicated than just taking sub. You are just delaying the wds and when you stop sub not only will you have lingering oxy wds but most likely as well added wds from the sub.
If you can taper the sub like I couldn't, than I'd actually go back to you DOC and taper that instead. You save a lot of time and its much quicker due to the short half life of oxy. Also a quarter pill is prob double what you really need or even triple what you need to actually hold you over from that low a dose of oxy.

Good luck!

 

[ech0s85]

yeah man youre probably upping your tolerance with that much sub, after only four months and 80mgs, you shouldnt need more than half a mg after the first day or two id think.

 

[happygoluckygal]

The Sub is doing the job of keeping you from w/ding from the Oxy, but like the others siad, it way overkill. With a short period of use that you had (4 months) on a fairly low dose of Oxy, you would have been better off just doing a slow taper or sucking it up and going cold turkey off the Oxy's. Now you are going to have to w/d from the Subs, which honestly, is usually much longer a process than your original DOC, and for MANY people, much harder. Ive tried w/ding from Sub before and it was absolutely AWFUL.

 

[Pegasus]

^To be fair, it is widely accepted that the bupe w/d is not as intense as w/d from the shorter acting opiates, but also more prolonged (as you mentioned).

 

[Jehosaphet]

Dang

Well that sucks!
I also have Tramadol...maybe I should stop taking the subs before I'm addicted to them and switch to Tramadol for a couple days before tapering off of them?

I was addicted once before and took Tramadol...but it's funny thinking back on it now because when I stopped...some 7 days after my last Oxycontin, I still had another 4-5 days worth of withdrawal to go through.
I wonder if Tramadol does the same thing. I was just exchanging a high for a no-high, but not actually getting off of the substance.

I have the N8 subs...does anyone mind telling me the approximate dosage I should be taking? Like...a quarter of one a day? Or maybe 1/8 two times a day?

Unfortunately I got these from a friend, not a doctor...

 

[affasd]

I would start with an 1/8th, if you are trying to taper then I would only take an 1/8th a day. That should hold you but if you can't sleep then you might need to take another small bump(err well for me it would be a bump since i snort it but you know what i mean) later in the day. Ideally you want to take the smallest amount as possible each day in a single dose if possible, then wait as long as possible between doses. Like if you can take it once every other day, that will make coming off them even easier

 

[x_fizzler]

Some people would say this might be horrible ass advice due to your reatively low tolerance but i would go to the clinic if you really wanna get off. Go on methadone do the 21 day program and dont let them talk you into maintence. And for the first two weeks they wanna give you 40mgs the first day you will get 30 i think thats like a law. Anyways i would take those first two weeks and stay at 30mgs dont go above that it will only make the end tougher and you dont need 40mgs to kill wds from your habbit. I did it with a buddy he was only taking lots of norco probably about your tolerance he stayed at 30 while i boosted to 40... anyways by the time you jump off your taking 3mgs of meth wich is nothin, if you stick to 21 days only it will be very easy to jump off. ive never taken subs as there realtively exspensive compaared to the meth clinic, but my buddy got completly clean said the only problem hed had was a bit of the sore legs when we were done, my case was diffrent i just didnt put enough effort in and used the whole time. But i know that even using a lil bit my last day wasnt to bad at all much esier than cold turkey and the clinic is nice cuz they dose you and usualy u talk to someone a few times a week which can be helpfull support if you dont have a whole lot of that while gettin clean.

In my honest opinion though i think you should cut the subs out buy a couple 72ct bottles of walmart immodium take 10 in the morning and 10 before bed, maybe throw in trams with them ive done that quite a few time you will feel way normal, first tapper off the tram then start tappering the imodium 2 pills 1 from each dose a day. I wouldnt worry about getting backed up either i have better bowel movements with immodium and trams than i do just taking oxy all the time. Your bowel movements will be very hard though but thats better than rusty water, and the imodium in those doses also seems to help keep the anxirty down.

good luck

 

[Tommyboy]

Some people would say this might be horrible ass advice due to your reatively low tolerance but i would go to the clinic if you really wanna get off. Go on methadone do the 21 day program and dont let them talk you into maintence.

Yes, I would say that this is horrible advice. My oxy habit was twice as bad as the OP's and for 5x as long. I did a 5 day methadone detox and felt fine.

I think that the OP should do a 4 or 5 day detox using the suboxone since that what it seems they can get. If they were only able to get methadone, then I would also say to do a 4 or 5 day detox with that.

Just get off the subs asap or the withdrawal from that will be bad. Take the 1/8th of the pill for a day, wait 36 hours and take another, wait 48 and take another, wait 60 hours take another, then take your last dose of 1/16th of a pill between 60 and 72hrs after last dose.

 

[KnowBudz]

Going on suboxone is definitely not switching addictions, nor will it exacerbate withdrawal symptoms. Given that you have only been on oxycodone a relatively short time and at normal dosage, you ought to be able to taper off without much discomfort. There is no magic pill.

 

[x_fizzler]

Well like i said i push the immodium and tram over subs or meth its the safest most painless way. I dont know about subs at all never taken them but there just as nasty as meth if you get tangled up to long from what i read and if the guy feels great that may happen since hes not being monitored at a clinic of in a medical enviroment, all depends on your want and will power only the OP knows his personality.

The reason im more in favor of a 21 day thing or a longer tapper with immodium and tram is becuase of the length of time. Ya take subs a couple days and youll most likely never suffer any kinds of WD to speak of, but it doesnt account for the worst of the mental part. Either of my options buys the guy just enough time to not get a new habbit but have a comfy physicall wd and then tapper out adjusting to life not high as long as possible. Longer tapers help the mood swings more than a quick fix and alot of people relapse right after the wd's are over due to all the mental bs and paws. At 21 day or a month with immodium and tram sail him through what i feel is the worst of the worst as far as deppresive, anxious, irritable mood swings, which in return can provide the gift of a less likely relapse. as i said all depends on the ops will power and want but usually the least painfull will work the best, or maybe in this case if its his first habbit a CT would be best to scare him away from the shit, OP if this is not your first time detoxing there is something to be said about that and i would reccomend a longer comfterable tapper and plenty of emotional support.

 

[Pegasus]

Going on suboxone is definitely not switching addictions, nor will it exacerbate withdrawal symptoms.

The OP is clearly asking if he is avoiding withdrawals by going on Suboxone. You seemingly realize this, as you said that there is not a "magic pill", but then you also say that going on Suboxone is definitely not switching addictions. Well, what do you call taking another opiate in place of an opiate you are addicted to?

This is not debatable. Suboxone is an opiate and is addicting, and switching to it while being addicted to oxycodone means that you are maintaining the addiction with a different drug. Bupe may be a more desirable drug to be addicted to for a number of reasons, but it is still undeniably an addiction.

 

[Pegasus]

Jehoshaphat, you can use bupe to taper like people are describing over the course of maybe a week or so, but I don't feel that this is ideal. The reason for this is that even a tiny dose of 0.5mg or less is still a fairly large dose of opiates overall. For this reason, I recommend trying to use a weaker opiate if possible for your taper. Kratom is the most ideal IMO if you are in the USA or other countries where it is easily and legally obtainable (most of the world is in this category); something like codeine or dihydrocodeine is good if you are in a country where they are easily obtainable. Regardless of the opiate you choose, the idea is to switch to a weaker opiate to get through the majority of the withdrawal symptoms, leaving you a much more manageable drug to taper with. (If you can't get any other opiate besides Suboxone, it is not horrible for tapering... In my experience, it is not ideal, though.)

I also say that taking a slightly longer time than the 5 day tapers above is helpful if you want to make the transition as smooth as possible. These type tapers are not really tapers; they basically smooth the landing of a cold turkey withdrawal. A taper over the course of multiple weeks can make the process even smoother though, especially if you taper down to essentially nothing. If you want to know more about this, just ask, and either I or someone else who has gone through this will fill you in on all of the details.

Good luck, and again, ask any questions you have!

 

[Ashley26]

I agree with the others. Just taper off the opiates. I wouldn't bother with the subs

 

[ericmm1331]

I've been addicted to Oxycontin for about 4 months and take approximately 80mg a day (I've made an effort to not go above this for financial reasons) but have recently started taking suboxone. I only have to take a quarter of a pill, twice a day, to feel fine. I'm on my fifth day now, but it just seems too easy.

Not only am I not feeling any of the withdrawals, but I feel great! My question is; am I actually coming off of Oxycontin? Is my body actually withdrawing from the substance? Is my tolerance for Oxycontin going down, or will it go down as I continue the Suboxone treatment?

This has probably been asked before, but any feedback (or a point to another thread) would be great!

]

Your tolerance will go after about 3 to 4 weeks.

Dont take suboxone for too long you can become addicted to that .

if i were you i would only use the suboxone when you cant take the w/d's anymore.

and try to ween yourself of every 2-3 weeks

 

[ejnjgrl822]

i too have just started trying to self detox and its so hellish for me. i had about a 5-6 bag (when conserving) to a 12-15 bag (when money was good) a day habit. i sniffed all my dope. before that i was all into oxys then end of april discovered dope and that was pretty much it for me til now. here and there id get some oxys when i couldnt get d. yeah i know my habit isnt that long and its not that bad but the w/ds have just been killing me. when i ran outta dope tues, weds i went and got a blue with i did around 430 which did almost nothing obviously but keep me from taking my subs so i was up all night restless with some chills and sweats but afraid to take my sub til about 8am. yesterday i took about 2mgs suboxone (didnt feel great but i was afraid to do more because i really want to avoid w'ds from it and i only have about 16 mgs left) and at night i took .5 kpin. i'm picking up some xannies later to help with anxiety and to help me sleep at night. i brought my girl to detox monday and she was the one i had here for me and helped me. now my head races about all the runs we did and going down and getting it and just the whole process. its killing me. i just want my life back. now i have no one. so i was wondering what doses should i be taking to avoid being sick at all costs while weaning off the shit? i'm just scared and i have to be okay and get thru this with the least pain possible.

 

[trendywendy]

my sister was prescribed dahydracodiene 3 years ago a year ago she moved on 2 oxycontin and has been weaning off them rapidly she went from 30mg to 20 to 10 then 5mg in months she now cutting a 10mg into quarterly pieces but she stil finding it hard with w/d symtoms especcially at 1.30 in the morn when she wakes and cant get bak 2 sleep i amtrying 2 help the best i can anyone any suggestion i wud b really greatful

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

the reason why you feel great

is suboxone IS AN OPIATE, i feel like people dont relize this...

 

[SkagKush]

a very strong opiate

1mg bupe = 40mg morphine.....