Using Rec drugs to boost performance

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fukhed14

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I know this is going to start some shit. But hear me out.

Back in the day, when i was a bit more serious about my lifting rutine i was looking for a way to boost my growth and performance in the gym. i started reading up on steroids and some of you may remember me from a few years back when i started asking about different cycles and whatnot. I eventually decided steroids were not worth the risk. I'm already pretty big, and i am not a competing body builder. I have naturally good genetics so with hard work and dieting i naturally get pretty large. (picture posted in picture thread)

however, i like drugs. no bullshitting. I'm currently in school to attain a Master Of Fine arts in painting/drawing which is a terminal degree(equivalent to phd) so they haven't held me back much, and although i'm no Austrian oak, i'm not a shrimp either. At this point in my life, i pretty much only take prescription opioids since i am prescribed them for moderate to severe pain in my left knee associated with several traumas.

several times, when taking the medication, (hydrocodone) i would be buzzed, of course, and head to the gym. I normally do one body part for 12-16 sets per day, for an average of 30 minutes. under the influence of the meds (not nodding out mind you- just buzzin') i would be able to do 2 bodyparts for up to 20 sets per body part, in roughly the same amount of time, maybe 45 minutes or so instead of 30. I would almost never rest, and the drug allowed me to push through discomfort, and the buzz increased my confidence. i have sometimes a lot of trouble getting motivated. since i've been lifting for about 6 years, i sometimes get bored of going in, or i'm just tired from teaching or work. caffeine helps but it messes with sleep patterns. any other drugs like amphetamines don't help, they are too distracting. back in the day when you could gas station pick ephedrine, i'd pop those to pretty good effect, but nothing beats a low dose of hydrocodone for going to the gym.

i know what you are going to say "going to the gym high is irresponsible" Chill out guys. I'm not talking about going sloshed, i'm talking about a little buzz. there are guys way more jacked on redline and ephedrine in there lifting than i ever am on my few vicodin.

so, does anyone else here find drugs other than the normal stims help when they go to the gym?
 
You might feel better or like it helps but its not a good idea.
Why would u want to work out without full functionality of your body, or on pain killers so u cant hear your body tell you to stop doing something
 
I can feel when something is wrong. I have never been injured doing this. The painkillers, since my body is adjusted to them perhaps, only have a moderate analgesic effect. They really allow me to push more reps and rest for less time. mostly they just help with motivation and discomfort. ephedrine and even caffiene do this to an extent. and again i am not talking about going in nodding.

when i take them before working out i have my best work outs- always. i push through fatigue and apathy with them. been doing it now for 3 years. then again i don't, and wouldnt, do heavy lifting with it. I usually do light to moderate weight with high reps.
 
also i am not advocating this, just asking if other people have had similar experiences with other rec drugs in the gym. also i have to point out that i am prescribed this medication and i don't do risky shit when i am in the gym such as power lifting heavy. and i would not tell anyone new to the drug OR to lifting to combine the two.

i have heard of guys using nubain before workouts, though, and nubain is a moderate opiate like hydrocodone.
 
fukhed14 said:
I know this is going to start some shit. Not compared to what gets posted reg basis here...lol
several times, when taking the medication, (hydrocodone) i would be buzzed, of course, and head to the gym. I normally do one body part for 12-16 sets per day, for an average of 30 minutes. under the influence of the meds (not nodding out mind you- just buzzin') i would be able to do 2 bodyparts for up to 20 sets per body part, in roughly the same amount of time, maybe 45 minutes or so instead of 30. I would almost never rest, and the drug allowed me to push through discomfort, and the buzz increased my confidence. i have sometimes a lot of trouble getting motivated. since i've been lifting for about 6 years, i sometimes get bored of going in, or i'm just tired from teaching or work. caffeine helps but it messes with sleep patterns. any other drugs like amphetamines don't help, they are too distracting. back in the day when you could gas station pick ephedrine, i'd pop those to pretty good effect, but nothing beats a low dose of hydrocodone for going to the gym.
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I never liked hydrocodone did little for me, same for xanax, ergo other pain/benzos...

I do understand the pushing through that limit. I fully do. So on a 3 set 10 rep you actually hit 4 sets and 12 reps, or what have you. 50%+ increase! Same principled concept for other aspects to other sets and cardio...

I would imagine you are a male above the 25 year-old age braket. Which would be a male in hormonal decline.

You are breaking it down and busting your ass, that much is clear. The issue is you are not physically going to be able to keep that up on an extended period of time without factoring in the decline.

Hence, I imagine you burnth out after a while. Mind, body, and soul. CNS, Hormones, and spritual wellness to an aspect.

Concept works but not for your age braket without other factors. Over training.
 
fukhed14 said:
so, does anyone else here find drugs other than the normal stims help when they go to the gym?
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you and I probably think alike. Before running, I like to take enough Xanax to get a buzz. I synchronize my run with the "alert" of the buzz, when good and rewarding feelings begin to flood my brain. I find I can maintain a faster pace when I am feeling the buzz, and sometimes the effect is so pronounced that I can maintain a literal sprint for a half mile after having run several miles at a rapid pace.

Moreover, I find that I am focused not on the pain of the run but rather on my surroundings. I am flirtatious, and I also engage in stupid little games like taunting guard dogs or weaving through landscaping like Devin Hester.

I am starting to think that the Xanax increases the oxygenation of the blood, but maybe the effect is less direct and more psychological?

I'm curious: is there a dose of hydrocodone that weakens your ability to lift heavier weight or gives you any kind of ataxia?
 
delete this thread and look into the red dot.

worst fucking idea - the science is OBVIOUS why not to do this - the talk and reasons are absolutely moronic. Keep rec drugs with no benefit to lifting out of a steroid section. Bring this up in Other Drugs , people won't shit on it (well maybe some will but in general) and this poor fucking steroid section doesn't suffer another god awful thread to bring it to the grave.
 
DirtyMexican said:
I never liked hydrocodone did little for me, same for xanax, ergo other pain/benzos...

I do understand the pushing through that limit. I fully do. So on a 3 set 10 rep you actually hit 4 sets and 12 reps, or what have you. 50%+ increase! Same principled concept for other aspects to other sets and cardio...

I would imagine you are a male above the 25 year-old age braket. Which would be a male in hormonal decline.

You are breaking it down and busting your ass, that much is clear. The issue is you are not physically going to be able to keep that up on an extended period of time without factoring in the decline.

Hence, I imagine you burnth out after a while. Mind, body, and soul. CNS, Hormones, and spritual wellness to an aspect.

Concept works but not for your age braket without other factors. Over training.
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You are right, I am 26 years old. I don't take this every day though, or every time i lift. it's sporadic use only for times when i feel i need to work extra hard and can't motivate myself. Opiates do reduce testosterone, i know that much, but since i sort of "mini" cycle them or sporadically use them, i haven't noticed lack of libido or profound other effects that low testosterone has. as far as i know only prolonged periods of heavy use mess with testosterone noticibly. If i do a larger workout, i usually assess muscle soreness before trying this a second time within a short period of time from the workout. Do you still think there will be adverse effects to my test levels if i keep sporadic use only?
 
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you and I probably think alike. Before running, I like to take enough Xanax to get a buzz. I synchronize my run with the "alert" of the buzz, when good and rewarding feelings begin to flood my brain. I find I can maintain a faster pace when I am feeling the buzz, and sometimes the effect is so pronounced that I can maintain a literal sprint for a half mile after having run several miles at a rapid pace.

Moreover, I find that I am focused not on the pain of the run but rather on my surroundings. I am flirtatious, and I also engage in stupid little games like taunting guard dogs or weaving through landscaping like Devin Hester.

I am starting to think that the Xanax increases the oxygenation of the blood, but maybe the effect is less direct and more psychological?

I'm curious: is there a dose of hydrocodone that weakens your ability to lift heavier weight or gives you any kind of ataxia?
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i am pretty sure any effects are from the psychological standpoint. the mind is able to do some powerful things.

There is a dose that would, but by that time i would be nodding and unable to lift safely. i never go in HIGH, just buzzing. also i dont do this every day, just sporadic times when i have to lift hard but i dont want to go in. a few vicodin gets me up and going.
 
for those who continue to do this moronic concept - full opioid agonist surpres testosterone - maybe that'll help stop this horrid concept lol.
 
fukhed14 said:
Do you still think there will be adverse effects to my test levels if i keep sporadic use only?
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Even if it did not the point is still how are you going to build back up all that you broke down?

With the use of stims I have had the most intensive hours of my life in the gym. Last night was second to none for BOTH delts and chest, SECOND TO NONE. 60+ of cardio. When I came back I took some pics and passed out prior to 9 pm! Yes, I had taken 4 mg of amph hcl and 4 mg amph s, and I still passed out! The combination of intensity + caloric deprevations does it. I am on 1,500mg of test cyp every week. I AM STILL having a hard time building it back up.

Point being back to the start of my response. Ho are you going to build it up now that you broken it down? Naturally it aint gonn happen.
 
I'm not even going to read the bullshit posted in the first post.

The thread title is all it takes for me to say that this idea is stupid, counter-productive, and dangerous.

If you're halfway serious about your goals, you shouldn't be taking any recreational drug, period. Whether you're on cycle or not. I've said it so many times, it's starting to get old. This, in my opinion, is why BL should not have a steroid forum. Way too many dumb kids being attracted in here to get a ripped summer body when they shoot heroin all day.
 
theartofwar said:
for those who continue to do this moronic concept - full opioid agonist surpres testosterone - maybe that'll help stop this horrid concept lol.
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This is true, however, buprenorphine does not cause this.

I would recommend going to the gym on a conservative dosage of buprenorphine, and I don't think using full agonists for going to the gym is a good idea, unless you are a pain patient and won't be able to exercise without it.

I used to lift weights on heroin all the time. It certainly felt great but it isn't the best drug to use for optimal performance obviously, as theartofwar is correct.
 
Going on bupe is not a wise idea either imo bro - while some (myself included) feel "energy" from bupe - you always run the risk of a stroke / aneurysm - remember last summer ? Deadlifting I started bleeding out of my ear ..... live and learn my friend.
 
theartofwar said:
Going on bupe is not a wise idea either imo bro - while some (myself included) feel "energy" from bupe - you always run the risk of a stroke / aneurysm - remember last summer ? Deadlifting I started bleeding out of my ear ..... live and learn my friend.
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That is good advice. I was merely talking about going to the gym on full agonist vs. bupe, without using steroids. If someone is on steroids I agree completely, it would be best to avoid the opiates.
 
I think certain miss conceptions come into discussion boards and turn discussion boards into flame boards at time.

Alcohol, opiates, rec drugs, scripts, amph, or anabolics do not effect performance the same. As was equated in a prior recent thread and also to an extent here. To the keep the concept of discussion open prior placed conceptions should be limited to none flame comments... my 10cc.
 
Ricky Williams, when he was with the Saints, was such a nervous motherfucker that he'd do postgame interviews wearing his helmet. I believe his best years in the NFL have been the years that he's been able to smoke weed with impunity.

There's times in the gym when I feel like I'm being watched by agents and drones. A little Xanax helps take the edge off and soothes the paranoia. It's less disabling than haloperidol.
 
235360287471352662 said:
Ricky Williams, when he was with the Saints, was such a nervous motherfucker that he'd do postgame interviews wearing his helmet. I believe his best years in the NFL have been the years that he's been able to smoke weed with impunity.

There's times in the gym when I feel like I'm being watched by agents and drones. A little Xanax helps take the edge off and soothes the paranoia. It's less disabling than haloperidol.
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weed post workout sure - xanax during due to a mental condition, sure. All beta blockers however will be risky and you want as much adrenaline as possible in the weight room.
 
I haven't found that any rec drugs help with building muscle. Even if it boosts your performance in the gym, i.e. adderall for me, it also disrupts my sleeping patterns and my appetite. I hit a vaporizer at night. I'v cut drinking down to once every two weeks or so. I'm on this kratom kick lately and I'v lost a little weight, I need to stop doing it so often and i'll be good.
 
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