Using phenibut to curb a negative reaction to psychedelics

[Ineffable14]

Recently I've been looking into the nootropic and light tranquilizer Phenibut, a derivative of GABA. It is said to have mild anxiolytic effects in humans.
Does in anyone in the forum have experience with using phenibut in place of a benzo during a negative episode?

Do you think 1000mg orally would help in the situation of a psychedelic crisis? Or if an individual was no longer tripping from the drug, just feeling residual stimulation and just wished to get to sleep, would phenibut be of help?

Thanks in advanced for any input.

 

[Section813]

Its not extremely strong for me in doses less than 2 grams. It also has a bit of a hangover in my experience. If I had the choice I would rather have a benzo for what you're looking for.

 

[4fOhmeohmy]

Benzo's are the way to go. But I have had experience with Phenibut while tripping, not in substitute as a benzo though, just purely for recreational use. It changed my headspace a little at 1g orally and then I took 500mg intranasally and that was one of the worst experiences I have ever had while tripping.

But as for the possible anti-anxiety effects for a bad trip I just think the effects are too light and too invasive to really be of use.

 

[Fresco]

A little FYI, if you take 500mg of GABA along with your funnybutt you can eliminate heart palpitations

 

[Mitchi]

^ What was that?

 

[<<ellisd>>]

Keep in mind that Phenibut takes a while before effects are noticed [~2-3hrs sometime]. If one was having a bad trip, Phenibut would not be ideal in calming one's self immeadiately.

 

[Kamuix]

To original poster- YES! phenibut it perfect for that and there's a wide dose range. this is coming from someone who has ingested now over 1 kilogram of phenibut over time. Benzos are not bad either but phenibit heavily sedates the back of the mind which makes it perfect for what you're talking about, as apposed to creating a more alcohol like benzo effect, don't get me wrong benzos feel a lot cleaner than alcohol.

I'de start with a gram or two to help curve negative effects, you can always increase the doses if you wish or if you were to drift into a bad emotional trip, also after taking phenibut in gelaton capsules it takes 45 minutes to kick in and ive never noticed it to take over an hour to reach the peak, I always feel the effects almost exactly 45 minutes after taking phenibut in Gelaton caps, but minus the 15 minute delay that the capsules have i would think it would take 30 mins but who knows, thats just from my experiance.

I'de say the dose range would be between 1 and 3.5 grams, wouldn't go above 3.5 unless youre experianced with it

Also i don't experiance hangovers with phenibut but everyones different.

Phenibut is also a cheaper legal alternative to benzos so it's a good thing, phenibut is not to be underestimated it's pretty much a benzo for the back of the mind, in other words it doesn't so much directly physically relax and intoxicate you like benzos but relaxes your phsycological and emotional mind but in a simular strength as a benzo.

Here's one of the best creative ways to describe Phenibut:

Phenibut is to a benzo
as
Kratom is to an opiate

 

[4fOhmeohmy]

^^ What do you mean by 'back of the mind' Kamuix? I don't know it just seems like too light of a high to actually be of any help in a 'bad trip' experience. I have always relied on benzodiazepines in situations where my trip just went a little sour. (And when I say a little sour I mean tree's coming to life and people melting into puddles of flesh kinda thing). But hey like you said, everyone is different and people react completely differently to different chemicals.

 

[cannibalsnail]

It is anxiolytic, the placebo effect here may be stronger than the actual effects. However GABA decreases glutamate transmission so it could reduce visuals as well.

 

[<SpaceHead>]

I'de say the dose range would be between 1 and 3.5 grams, wouldn't go above 3.5 unless youre experianced with it

^ it should be noted that if you take even 2.5 grams of phenibut without a tolerance you'll feel very drunk for a long time. 3.5 grams with no tolerance and you'll be passing out and stumbling around for 24 hours. I wouldn't recommend anything over 2 grams for someone who hasn't taken it before. Also keep in mind that phenibut is physically addictive like benzos, I recently had to taper off of it and it was not fun to say the least.

But it can be a useful drug when taken in moderation. I'd stick to the lower doses for combining it with psychedelics, you don't want to get too sedated and cancel out the more interesting parts of the trip. It also seems to have muscle relaxing properties so it helps with tension and such on drugs like DOM or 2C-P

For me it takes about 90 minutes to really start working, so it's not very useful for treating bad trips or panic attacks. It's not that great for getting to sleep either since it takes so long to kick in, and if you take too much to go to sleep you end up sleeping forever and feeling pretty drunk when you wake up.