Bupe Using Oxycodone to help subutex withdrawls?

[lilpeach5237]

Respectably Mr. Scagnattie I would have to disagree with you on that. not because I know all the scientific part of it but from personal experience. I myself have taken opiates immediately before and after taking my subutex and have never had wd's. I was under the impression that bupe is just a partial agonist opiate. So understandably it would block other opiates. I get that part. However just the bupe alone put one into wd's I would have to say has NEVER happened to me.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^^

Whether you disagree or not.. it is a fact. I can't account for your personal experience or what variables were at play, but there is no arguing with what I said, it's not an opinion. Do some research and you'll see what I am talking about.

 

[dopemaster]

I'm gonna side with Mr Skag here.

OP What was your DOC exactly because you report contradicts scientific research and well research of just about anyone who has ever take bupe in any form?

I am kind of curious to know, as you would be a remarkable exception to this drug effects when taken with opiates in the system.

I would really hate to even have someone think they can take bupe, suboxone, or subutex and think that they won't go into pwd's if they haven't waited the required time.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

I would really hate to even have someone think they can take bupe, suboxone, or subutex and think that they won't go into pwd's if they haven't waited the required time.

This. If that is truly your experience, OP.. it is far from the norm and having people think that they can take bupe and then do opiates without waiting till full withdrawal is going to cause a lot of people a lot of pain when they get thrown into PW's.

So you're saying that when you are totally psychically dependent on opiates, you can take subutex, then use another opiate before being in withdrawal and not get PW's?

 

[rhun]

And I was told the nalaxone was inactive when you take Suboxone orally anyway...
which points to it definitely being the bupe.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

And I was told the nalaxone was inactive when you take Suboxone orally anyway...
which points to it definitely being the bupe.

Yes, at 2mg's, naloxone is not active orally. However, even if the suboxone is IV'ed and you get 100% of the dose, it does not have the binding strength to beat out the bupe, so it is pointless.

 

[PurpleKush1]

I'm gonna side with Mr Skag here.

OP What was your DOC exactly because you report contradicts scientific research and well research of just about anyone who has ever take bupe in any form?

I am kind of curious to know, as you would be a remarkable exception to this drug effects when taken with opiates in the system.

I would really hate to even have someone think they can take bupe, suboxone, or subutex and think that they won't go into pwd's if they haven't waited the required time.

yo clear your inbox dm

 

[dopemaster]

^
Its cleared out now mate.

 

[lilpeach5237]

Just wanted to update this thread because I had to work this past weekend. Just wanted to let you guys know how its going for me. So regardless of what anyone says I will tell you that on Saturday morning I took .5 mgs of my subutex. About an hour later I took 3 of the percs and then again when I went to work at 3 pm I took 3 more of the percs (had a great night ) So Sunday I took the last .5 mgs of my subutex (so I am out now) then did the same with the percs as the previous day. So all in all I have not had ANY withdrawl. in fact, the complete opposite. I have felt great all weekend. haven't taken any subutex today because I am out. When I take the percs I even get a little buzz. So, okay I have put a little thought and research into this and have come up with the conclusion that since I was taking such a little amount of the subutex maybe that is why I still feel good. I read online that in such small doses like that the bupe actually acts as a FULL agonist opiate. it is only a partial in larger doses. well, ok take it for what its worth. This is MY experience and that's it. I just feel good knowing that I will be fine until I get my refill on Thursday. thanks boys (and girl RHUN)

 

[Slum Survivor]

if you cant deal with the kicks and you have multiple days sure why not,, just try to use the smallest amount possible and go as long as you can between doses.

and try to get at least 20 hours of sobriety before you know youre gonna get your sub script filled. you do NOT want to even be in the vicinity of precip withdrawals.

Any opiate will relieve your withdrawal symptoms at the right dose.. so yes, you could use those.

Just make sure to wait until you are sick again after stopping the oxycodone before taking the subutex again, otherwise you may go into precipitated withdrawals.

THIS^^^ i use low dose opiates to help bupe w/d alot. but then i get screwed when i take some more sub again if i dont wait long enough. for me i have to wait around 40 hours after most full agonists. otherwise i get dysphoria and some symptoms of precipitated withdrawals.

it doesnt matter that u have subutex and not suboxone. they are essentially the same minus a brand name. naloxone means nothing to bupe.

one reason u avoided w/d is because u may still had bupe attached to your recpetors.

the more u do this, the smaller of a window u will have to mess with. it will get harder and harder to go back and forth between the two. i learned the hard way one day and gave myself full on precipitated withdrawals. its a level of hell that cant be put into words. i ended up in the ER with pain that night.

so glad ure okay, but dont give people the wrong idea here... know what i mean??

 

[Slum Survivor]

Just wanted to update this thread because I had to work this past weekend. Just wanted to let you guys know how its going for me. So regardless of what anyone says I will tell you that on Saturday morning I took .5 mgs of my subutex. About an hour later I took 3 of the percs and then again when I went to work at 3 pm I took 3 more of the percs (had a great night ) So Sunday I took the last .5 mgs of my subutex (so I am out now) then did the same with the percs as the previous day. So all in all I have not had ANY withdrawl. in fact, the complete opposite. I have felt great all weekend. haven't taken any subutex today because I am out. When I take the percs I even get a little buzz. So, okay I have put a little thought and research into this and have come up with the conclusion that since I was taking such a little amount of the subutex maybe that is why I still feel good. I read online that in such small doses like that the bupe actually acts as a FULL agonist opiate. it is only a partial in larger doses. well, ok take it for what its worth. This is MY experience and that's it. I just feel good knowing that I will be fine until I get my refill on Thursday. thanks boys (and girl RHUN)

please update this everyday and let us know how you are until thursday. im serious!! i wanna know! ive been able to stave off bupe w/d before with a little bit of full agonists too... so im not criticizing you... thx! sry for the double post yall

 

[lilpeach5237]

I really don't even know what to say at this point. I mean I have said what I have taken all in all and that still seems to be some form of decite. When I get my script on Thursday and take one I can definatley let you all know what happens. but I don't need to because I already know as I have been through this before. NOTHING will happen and never does. I will be feeling fine and go on with life as it is. can someone tell me what is going on here because I am confused?

 

[Slum Survivor]

i just said it... u used full agonists to help stave off the bupe w/d got any more specific q's just ask away someone will know... and it helps others who read thru this.

 

[lilpeach5237]

Ya, I will update because now I am even curious as to what is going to happen. I am out of the bupe now which I don't think will make a difference because I was only taking .5 mgs in the end which would wear off in about 4 hours anyway. heres a ? can I take the bupe after the percs and not get sick because the percs are so short acting?

 

[Slum Survivor]

u can take any full agonists after bupe. it wont make u sick. ill explain with an edit. im trying to be quick for u.


the bupe hit the receptors first... well then comes a full agonist. the bupe has a higher binding affinity at the receptor. so the full agonist cant bind, so u wont even feel it in most cases. the bupe would remain attached for its duration so to speak, which is a long ass time at that.

but thats not all there is to it either.... there is nor-bupe, bupe, and SOME full agonist possibly that can all be in there together i think... this is where i need some help explaining this deeper if someone could chime in...

so anyways... if u take a perc after your subutex dose of .5mg you probably will feel a little bit of the perc. but it will wear off faster than the subutex would anyways. so u wont notice it wearing off as much since you've had bupe in there the whole time too. hope im answering what u wanted...

if u take the subs after u take the percs, and u felt those percs, u might get a taste of PW's if you dont wait long enough. the longer u wait to take your sub again the better, usually anyways. this is what u wanted i bet. sry i either read your post wrong, or u changed it quickly

u even said yourself u arent in w/d so y take anything???

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

If you are really trying to quit opiates, you are going backwards...

It is ill advised to go back to a full agonist off of subs...

But, in you case it's fine.

Please CWE your pills if you need to do doses that high...

 

[lilpeach5237]

Slum Survivor I am taking the percs now because if I wasn't I would be in w/d. that is why I am taking them now. but thanks for the answer. that does make sense. I cant feel the percs wearing off yet, but come tomorrow or Wednesday I think that I will be. and that does make a hell of a lot of sense what u said. and to psychedelic jay-not sure if you read my initial question because I am not trying to quit taking the bupe. I like being on it and it has changed my life and have no intention of quitting. my question was simply due to the fact that I had run out of my bupe until Thursday.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

But, in your case it's fine.

That's why I said that...

 

[lilpeach5237]

Yuck! woke up with the kicks today. hate that shit! I slept well tho. didn't take any BUPE yesteday and took 3 percs at like 7 pm I think so I went the whole night slept good until this morning when baby woke up at 7 am and we went and slept out on the couch and it was shitty till 10 am when I decided to take 3 of the percs. I am still good now. I will say one thing tho-I am having cravings for the bupe like a mo fo.

 

[Slum Survivor]

hate to be this jackass... but man i told u didnt i?? thx for updating us. if u want to kick plz dont keeo taking those percs girl! that oxy is super addictive an u know it!

-snip- (sry, my fault) good luck either way. if it make u feel better i got woke up early today too, just not by a baby. a full grown one instead. hah.

EDITmg im a dumbass. sry peach. i re read a bit above and saw ure post. im so sry!!!! isee what ure doing now. just make sure u let ure self go without any percs for long enough... the longer the gap between percs and taking sub again the better the switch will be most likely.

i wish i could still switch back and forth... i just delt with PW issues the past couple days myself. my own fault tho. went and got dope when i shouldnt have. stupid stupid me.... i forgot u were aiming for thursday.