using gabapentin or phenibut and alprazolam to ease pregabalin WD's

[Ne0]

I'm not realluy going throught pregabalin wd's, I already did that (4 months 1,5g pregabalin daily) and it was hell around1 year ago, but due to work I need to use pregabalin again, this time only 2 weeks doses 900mg/daily, so would it be better for me to take after that gabapentin and alprazolam for 1 week, decreasing their dose evey day little bit, starting frtom 3,5 gabapentin and 2mg alprazolam, and decreasing them 10% every day?

Rightyn ow I can use pregabalin 3 days without getting any hungover or WD's but, 5 days daily will give me 5 days wd's, not so badl ike 5 months, but still unpleasent, so I'm not taking that risk agian, so I have 50g gabaspentin and 40mg alprazolam with 10g amphetamine for quiting pregalin slowly.

 

[Gorillaboy21]

Ya definitely Xanax helped my ass major when I quit gabapentin. Only problem is you’ll now be tolerant to benzos and most likely you won’t even fully shake off pregablin in the process. You’ll leave yourself with a benzo addiction and pregablin. Let me tell you, GABAA and GABAB withdrawal TOGETHER, Is literally hell on earth. If you throw opiate withdrawals on top you’re asking for death. Just be careful and treat the Xanax like gold and only take it when you absolutely feel helpless, do not take it just because you feel slightly bad, I found that to be my weak spot. I’m so glad I got off gaba and now off benzos, cause there were some days that even massive massive doses of opiates wouldn’t stop the shaking and puking/sweating that I’d get if I didn’t have both. There were some seriously desperate and nasty morning when I didn’t have Xanax or gabalentin and oh boy was I on the brink of going to the ER at that point. I tried doing massive amount of IV opiates still didn’t do shit. Honestly if I were you I would buy a limited amount of Xanax where you know you won’t be able to get addicted to it even if you took it all quickly. Good luck update us

 

[Ne0]

Ya definitely Xanax helped my ass major when I quit gabapentin. Only problem is you’ll now be tolerant to benzos and most likely you won’t even fully shake off pregablin in the process. You’ll leave yourself with a benzo addiction and pregablin. Let me tell you, GABAA and GABAB withdrawal TOGETHER, Is literally hell on earth. If you throw opiate withdrawals on top you’re asking for death. Just be careful and treat the Xanax like gold and only take it when you absolutely feel helpless, do not take it just because you feel slightly bad, I found that to be my weak spot. I’m so glad I got off gaba and now off benzos, cause there were some days that even massive massive doses of opiates wouldn’t stop the shaking and puking/sweating that I’d get if I didn’t have both. There were some seriously desperate and nasty morning when I didn’t have Xanax or gabalentin and oh boy was I on the brink of going to the ER at that point. I tried doing massive amount of IV opiates still didn’t do shit. Honestly if I were you I would buy a limited amount of Xanax where you know you won’t be able to get addicted to it even if you took it all quickly. Good luck update us

Thanks. I don't think I get any serious WD's, I use only pregabalin around 2 weeks until I have break from work. I don't really use benzos and never been addicted to them, 1 week of 2mg alprazolam after pregabalin shouldn't cause any problems.

 

[Gorillaboy21]

Yeah 1 week use is what it was meant for, max 2 maybe 2.5-3 if you wanna push it but I wouldn?t cause that?s when you?re on the edge of completely falling off the wagon. I?m on day 5.5 right now benzo WD, and I only took 10-20 mgs Valium or 1-2 mgs Xanax a day but kept it up for 2 months or 3. This was right after I quit benzos 3 months ago for 2 weeks and found another connect which made me relapse into 3 months again, so stupid. Now I have to endure through this week again so stupid man I hope I learn my lesson

 

[Hezman94]

your not gonna feel great my uncle sold his pregabs once thinking he had more did he fuck he had to go a week from 400mg pregab to 300-600mg gaba a day he said he never felt so shit and weird in his life, he is scripted 25mg diazepam a day so this may of helped him plus he doesnt abuse his tablets.

 

[Ne0]

your not gonna feel great my uncle sold his pregabs once thinking he had more did he fuck he had to go a week from 400mg pregab to 300-600mg gaba a day he said he never felt so shit and weird in his life, he is scripted 25mg diazepam a day so this may of helped him plus he doesnt abuse his tablets.

I'm not long term user, goign to end them tomorrow, stoping with gabapentin.

 

[Keif' Richards]

I'm not totally sure what you're getting at OP, but I'm gonna do my best to help you out here. I really try to be blunt when I post to avoid confusion and ambiguity. It sounds like you're addicted to and dependent upon both Gabapentinoids and Sedative/Hypnotics. We will call it what it is. 900mg Pregabalin (Lyrica) is a dose 30% stronger than the maximum daily dosage stated in the literature. Gabapentinoids are for the most part, cross-tolerant. They possess different qualities that are obviously going to distinguish them from one another, namely potency.

You will be able to medicate withdrawal from Pregabalin with Gabapentin (Neurontin) and vice versa with little issue. Everyone's different, but hey. The fact that you're using Benzodiazepines as well just demonstrates pretty typical compulsive poly-substance use. This is significant, as it's my opinion that you're entering into a pretty well-known and clear cut phase of your dependency in which you're beginning to rapidly cycle through whatever is available in an attempt just to remain functional.

It's my belief, and it's only an opinion that this thread is just another instance of asking what I now call "The Golden Question"...

"How can I continue to use drugs, be high at all times, but not lose control of my life"

We've put a man on the moon, sure, but we still have not figured out how to train a drug addict to use their drugs in moderation. If you need anything, send me a note, but I think the only "good" option is to try to reduce your usage now by whatever means. You're dealing with a lot of variables here. It will be difficult to predict precisely how this will work out for you.

 

[Ne0]

I'm not totally sure what you're getting at OP, but I'm gonna do my best to help you out here. I really try to be blunt when I post to avoid confusion and ambiguity. It sounds like you're addicted to and dependent upon both Gabapentinoids and Sedative/Hypnotics. We will call it what it is. 900mg Pregabalin (Lyrica) is a dose 30% stronger than the maximum daily dosage stated in the literature. Gabapentinoids are for the most part, cross-tolerant. They possess different qualities that are obviously going to distinguish them from one another, namely potency.

You will be able to medicate withdrawal from Pregabalin with Gabapentin (Neurontin) and vice versa with little issue. Everyone's different, but hey. The fact that you're using Benzodiazepines as well just demonstrates pretty typical compulsive poly-substance use. This is significant, as it's my opinion that you're entering into a pretty well-known and clear cut phase of your dependency in which you're beginning to rapidly cycle through whatever is available in an attempt just to remain functional.

It's my belief, and it's only an opinion that this thread is just another instance of asking what I now call "The Golden Question"...

"How can I continue to use drugs, be high at all times, but not lose control of my life"

We've put a man on the moon, sure, but we still have not figured out how to train a drug addict to use their drugs in moderation. If you need anything, send me a note, but I think the only "good" option is to try to reduce your usage now by whatever means. You're dealing with a lot of variables here. It will be difficult to predict precisely how this will work out for you.

I don't use benzos, I took them 4 days in row, then stopped, then I took oxycodone two days stopped for 2 days didnt take anything. I've had many times 1-2 weeks breaks from everything. I know I'm compulsive type of person, hell I can't even control my porn watching, it will always end seeking and watching it for 6 hours, on drugs even longer, crazy shit, I enjoy using amphetamines and watch porn maybe best thign you can do on drugs, everything other is bullshit. But I don't use same drug for long periods, I know when I start to get WD's from past experience.

You see I have to work with people and I don't like it at all, I have to work hard, so I need drugs. Right now my options are one what I want most is stop taking everything except this new anti-depressant, but in this case I need to quit my job. Other option is continue using drugs so I'm able to work. I know I'm addicted to pregabalin, now I've used it for 1 week in row, I've beat 2g/day 6 month habit before and I know it's hell, nowadays I know that if I take over 3 days in row I get wd's, so I know I'm going to get wd's from this, I can beat them with 2 xanax for the hardest days which are first 3 days, but I need to take sick leave for depression which I've had for years. I'm planning to get electric or ketamine treatment for depression if this anti-depresasant don't work.

I'm sure there are many people like my who struggle wit this issue that you have to keep taking drug in order to work.

I just took my last pregabalins, I'm not going to get more of them I hate them. I have around 15g gabapentin and I can get different benzos (I'm not addicted or depended on them so it's no problem, I don't get any high from them, just takes anxiety away). So maybe you have plan to wean of from short period pregabalin use in one week plan? I can take sick leave for that time. Fuck I hate that I can't just go to my doctor and tell everything, and there isn't much help for drug addictions around. I'm not going to touch oxycodone anymore I took it again yesterday, fuck it gives me strong urges to use it, much stronger than any other opioid I've used.

I have amphetamine, tho' for whatever reason I have to take 3x higher doses than normally even that I shouldn't have any tolerance as last time I really used them was one year ago, I suspect this anti-deprsessant makes it less powerful. With amphetamine (not meth) I've never have had problems to quit, so I've uses it to stop opioids and pregabalin in past and it worked well. Amphetamine and GHB works well for WD's.

I didn't use any drugs for 1 years except alcohol and amphetamine for few times, no problem except from alcohol that makes me act irrationally. As soon as I started working again I started using Gaba and opioid class drugs and now I'm in this mess. At least this time I've used only few one week daily.

 

[Ne0]

I quit pregabalin withy oxycodone and speed, used them for one week. Well I was sober 6 months, now I'm addicted to pregabalin again, I used 3 days codeine and oxycodone but they make me depressed, so now I try phenibut, right now on 5 g, tomorrow I see whats next. I still have 600mg pregabalin. If I get any wd's after phenibut I use last pregabalin tomorrow then get methylphenidate or amphetamine for 5 days use and some xanax, maybe some oxys, or even better 3 days worth of GHB (for 24/7 use). Pregabalin gives worst WD's, so remember kids when you mess with it, if you do you better get good gear to quit it.

 

[Zonxx]

I quit pregabalin withy oxycodone and speed, used them for one week. Well I was sober 6 months, now I'm addicted to pregabalin again, I used 3 days codeine and oxycodone but they make me depressed, so now I try phenibut, right now on 5 g, tomorrow I see whats next. I still have 600mg pregabalin. If I get any wd's after phenibut I use last pregabalin tomorrow then get methylphenidate or amphetamine for 5 days use and some xanax, maybe some oxys, or even better 3 days worth of GHB (for 24/7 use). Pregabalin gives worst WD's, so remember kids when you mess with it, if you do you better get good gear to quit it.

depressed?????????? what dose of oxy are you consuming, i can tell you first hand that i don't generally find morphine (codeine metabolizes into morphine) complements oxycodone, have you tried taking the opiates seperately persay, oxy first of the day, codeine later? gonna add a little explanation - i find that oxy when mixed with morphine causes an odd type of 'high' that is relatively pulling against eachother as oxy tends to have a more uplifting type of thing and morphine or in this case codeine is generally a good downer

 

[Zonxx]

I don't use benzos, I took them 4 days in row, then stopped, then I took oxycodone two days stopped for 2 days didnt take anything. I've had many times 1-2 weeks breaks from everything. I know I'm compulsive type of person, hell I can't even control my porn watching, it will always end seeking and watching it for 6 hours, on drugs even longer, crazy shit, I enjoy using amphetamines and watch porn maybe best thign you can do on drugs, everything other is bullshit. But I don't use same drug for long periods, I know when I start to get WD's from past experience.

You see I have to work with people and I don't like it at all, I have to work hard, so I need drugs. Right now my options are one what I want most is stop taking everything except this new anti-depressant, but in this case I need to quit my job. Other option is continue using drugs so I'm able to work. I know I'm addicted to pregabalin, now I've used it for 1 week in row, I've beat 2g/day 6 month habit before and I know it's hell, nowadays I know that if I take over 3 days in row I get wd's, so I know I'm going to get wd's from this, I can beat them with 2 xanax for the hardest days which are first 3 days, but I need to take sick leave for depression which I've had for years. I'm planning to get electric or ketamine treatment for depression if this anti-depresasant don't work.

I'm sure there are many people like my who struggle wit this issue that you have to keep taking drug in order to work.

I just took my last pregabalins, I'm not going to get more of them I hate them. I have around 15g gabapentin and I can get different benzos (I'm not addicted or depended on them so it's no problem, I don't get any high from them, just takes anxiety away). So maybe you have plan to wean of from short period pregabalin use in one week plan? I can take sick leave for that time. Fuck I hate that I can't just go to my doctor and tell everything, and there isn't much help for drug addictions around. I'm not going to touch oxycodone anymore I took it again yesterday, fuck it gives me strong urges to use it, much stronger than any other opioid I've used.

I have amphetamine, tho' for whatever reason I have to take 3x higher doses than normally even that I shouldn't have any tolerance as last time I really used them was one year ago, I suspect this anti-deprsessant makes it less powerful. With amphetamine (not meth) I've never have had problems to quit, so I've uses it to stop opioids and pregabalin in past and it worked well. Amphetamine and GHB works well for WD's.

I didn't use any drugs for 1 years except alcohol and amphetamine for few times, no problem except from alcohol that makes me act irrationally. As soon as I started working again I started using Gaba and opioid class drugs and now I'm in this mess. At least this time I've used only few one week daily.

I have to work hard, so I need drugs.
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i just had to give my opinion because this statement struck a coord with me, i don't believe anyone NEEDS drugs, i have plenty of friends whom are abstinent aside from drinking alcohol once in while and theyve gone their entire lives without doing the stuff i have, doing drugs makes things easier to cope with and thats a given but to go so far as to say NEED them, aside from chronic pain sufferers like myself but even then, on some days i take less (some days i take more, but it depends on my pain level its not an aim to get 'high') its all about readjusting to sobriety and having the will power to stay so, you can disagree with me but these are my feelings towards this and i had to get them out there

 

[Zonxx]

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First day I took 300mg codeine with 100mg loperamide (yes it works and boosts opioid high), it felt good. after that had 2 days break taking clonazepam, then I took 20mg oxycodone which worked very nicely (my opioid tolerance are totally zero) second day I took 40mg oxycodone, I also took norflex, maybe that one cause dysphoria, but I felt like depressed. Actually I dont think norflex caused dysphoria, I also took 20mg methadone 1 month back for alcohgol hungover and also felt dysphoria, also when I take over 0,5mg buprenorphine I feel dysphoria. For whatever reason nowasays high doses opioid gives me dysphoria/depressed feeling. Low doses in the other hand feels good, like 60mg codeine (which sounds very low dose, I remember 15 years ago when I first tried opioid 60mg codeine didnt even work for me), give me nice feeling for few hours. Not sure what have chanced, but my brains jsut don't like big doses of opioids anymore, and thats good. My tolerance is totally zero anyway. And about loepramide, I actually enjoy it 60mg, and I've done everything except heroin, and I know if something is placebo and if something really works. My favorite opioid is opium, which uis mainly morphine, so thats why I like codeine too. Oxycodone seems to make me angry and big doses depressed.

btw, ive experience this 'oxy anger' you mention, when you take your dose of oxy make sure youre doing somthing you enjoy and then get to your day, because the littlest things on the 'come-up' with oxy will turn me into a fucking monster

 

[evo4ever]

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First day I took 300mg codeine with 100mg loperamide (yes it works and boosts opioid high), it felt good. after that had 2 days break taking clonazepam, then I took 20mg oxycodone which worked very nicely (my opioid tolerance are totally zero) second day I took 40mg oxycodone, I also took norflex, maybe that one cause dysphoria, but I felt like depressed. Actually I dont think norflex caused dysphoria, I also took 20mg methadone 1 month back for alcohgol hungover and also felt dysphoria, also when I take over 0,5mg buprenorphine I feel dysphoria. For whatever reason nowasays high doses opioid gives me dysphoria/depressed feeling. Low doses in the other hand feels good, like 60mg codeine (which sounds very low dose, I remember 15 years ago when I first tried opioid 60mg codeine didnt even work for me), give me nice feeling for few hours. Not sure what have chanced, but my brains jsut don't like big doses of opioids anymore, and thats good. My tolerance is totally zero anyway. And about loepramide, I actually enjoy it 60mg, and I've done everything except heroin, and I know if something is placebo and if something really works. My favorite opioid is opium, which uis mainly morphine, so thats why I like codeine too. Oxycodone seems to make me angry and big doses depressed.

Yeah it's common to feel angry a few hours after taking Oxy. It's called "Oxy Rage"

 

[Zonxx]

Yeah it's common to feel angry a few hours after taking Oxy. It's called "Oxy Rage"

i think its due in part to acute withdrawal tbh oxy is INCREDIBLY SHORT acting in my opinion with a half life of 2-4 hours youre bound to be susceptible to getting abit ticked off after awhile

 

[evo4ever]

i think its due in part to acute withdrawal tbh oxy is INCREDIBLY SHORT acting in my opinion with a half life of 2-4 hours youre bound to be susceptible to getting abit ticked off after awhile

Yeah I agree.

 

[Zonxx]

Wise words. Peopel don't need to take anything, not even little bit alcohol now and then. Actually what I've seen alcohol can be worst drug ever. I can control my amphetamine use but can't control my alcohol use. I end up doing very bad things when I drink. I think society don't need alcohol or any other drugs. It need constant work to be sober, even right now I would so much like to go buy 6 beers, 2g speed and then go to hookers, have some nice time. But I have wife and I can't do it to her again (done it 10 times already, I've cheated her while drunk or on speed 10 times at least).


I don't think it's about WD's, but about the effects, same with alcohol, both makes me angry, with alcohol I don't have any filter for my acts, with opioids at least I can control what will I too. Last time while drunk and on xanax I attacked some random guy, sober I'm never violent, angry yes but I can control what I do.

it may have more to do with opioids reducing your inhibitions therfore you act out more aswell, pretty much similar to alcohol but not to the same extent

 

[Zonxx]

I think opioids an alcohol actually activate some brain parts that is associated with angriness and violence. I know I never would attack anybody sober, I feel really sorry for the guy who I attacked when I was drunk and on xanax, I just felt he insulted me and then lost control (actually he didn't do anything to insult me). Especially alcohol seems to stimulate aggression, I know lots of good guy who can get very angry while drunk. Some guy told that speed makes everybody violent sooner or later but thats bullshit, I become very empathic and friendly when I take speed, never have I had aggressive thought when I'm on speed.

Maybe because speed tends to bring out the inner you i myself am like you become relatively passive on speed or amphetamines, hell crack turns me into the nicest mofo around unless someone tries to take my stash then i can turn in an instant =p