USADA to ban Armstrong for life, strip Tour titles

I think lances statement will help with public opinion and not hurt his foundation to much. I think it is sad if anyone would alter their perception of the wonderful and important organization. Even if he did cheat by doping, the fight against cancer shouldn't be affected. The amount of good that has come out of lance armstrong not related to cycling needs to be remembered and not looked down upon.
 
The amount of good that has come out of lance armstrong not related to cycling needs to be remembered and not looked down upon.

Of course. He gave thousands of cancer patients hope and probably saved hundreds of lives.

Honestly. I don't see what he was doing as cheating. Doping has become part of the game for cyclists.
To be honest I smell corruption. I think whatever fat pig has been being paid to keep him on the track decided it was finally time to foster in a new champion.
 
Did Lance Armstrong dope or use blood transfusions during his professional cycling career? I have no idea. Nor, it appears, does anyone else except for Lance and perhaps a few members of his team. But as a mathematician with expertise in the use of language in reasoning, I find the much-touted central pillar of the United States Anti-Doping Agency's case against him does not stand up to even a cursory examination.

Apart from hearsay evidence from two disgraced former cycling teammates of Armstrong, the USADA bases its case (at least according to what they have said) on the blood and urine samples taken from the cyclist in 2009 and 2010, when he made a brief comeback to the sport after four years in retirement. In a June letter to Armstrong, subsequently made public, the USADA said those samples were "fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/or blood transfusions."

Though a recreational cyclist, my interest in this case is fairly minimal. It is that term "fully consistent with" that piqued my mathematician's interest. It is a very odd phrase to use in a situation like this, not least because it has absolutely no evidentiary force. It says nothing of any significance.

[Certainly, after two years deliberation, including testimony from former team-mates obtained under oath through a grand jury, the U.S. federal criminal investigation of the allegations made against him finally dropped the case early this year, saying there was no real evidence against him.]

Though the layperson typically thinks of mathematicians as being focused on numbers, that is actually not the case. That false view is a consequence of the mathematics taught in high school. Only at university are you likely to encounter the mathematics done by the professionals. High among our real areas of expertise are logical reasoning, rigorous proof, and the precise use of language.

Incidentally, I am not referring here to using language and reasoning precisely in esoteric discussions of arcane mathematical topics. Yes, we do that too. But we also apply our expertise in everyday, practical domains. (Homeland Security, to name one domain I myself have worked on.)

There are a number of terms we use to describe evidence. The strongest is "proof" (or "conclusive proof", but any mathematician will tell you the adjective is superfluous.) We might say that, "Evidence X proves that Y happened."

An alternative that might seem weaker, but in actuality is not, is that "Evidence X implies that Y happened."

Definitely weaker, is "Evidence X suggests (or indicates) that Y happened."

All of these have evidentiary power of differing degrees. And there are others.

At the other end of the spectrum, we can say, "Evidence X contradicts Y having happened." X proves Y did not occur.

Evidence collected to uncover wrong-doing, such as doping controls in sport, by virtue of their design, rarely (if at all) provide proof of innocence. At best, when a doping test does not come up positive, the most you can say is it did not yield proof. It does not rule out (i.e., does not contradict) doping, just as a negative result from a cancer screening does not mean you are cancer free, merely that the test did not detect any cancer.

So what does that USADA term "fully consistent with" mean? Well, first of all, let's drop the "fully"; it's superfluous. Consistency is a definitive term. Something is either consistent or not; no half measures. It's also a term mathematicians like myself are very familiar with -- again for real world uses as much if not more than within theoretical mathematics. It means "does not contradict". Nothing more, nothing less.

Given the availability of terms such as "proves," "indicates," "suggests," or more evocative terms such as "raises the distinct possibility that," why did the USADA decide to use the curious term "consistent with"? Since they surely spent a lot of time, and consulted with a number of lawyers, in drafting their letter, their choice of wording was clearly deliberate. Why choose a term that means "does not contradict"?

After all, I can say "Drinking milk as a child is (fully) consistent with using crack cocaine as an adult." Should we take that as evidence that milk producers are to blame for adult drug use? Of course not. But this example has exactly the same logical heart, and the same evidentiary force, as the USADA letter's "fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/or blood transfusions."

cont at
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-keith-devlin/lance-armstrong-blood-tests_b_1829050.html
 
Every top-tier athelete uses drugs.

That said, it's disgusting that Armstrong has lost his titles simply because an organization has harassed him into giving up.
 
The amount of good that has come out of lance armstrong not related to cycling needs to be remembered and not looked down upon.

Of course. He gave thousands of cancer patients hope and probably saved hundreds of lives.


No doubt.
But not just cancer patients - I felt (and feel) very inspired by his story, his work ethic, his intensity, his drive to win, and his unmatched success.
When I think of how hard it must have been for him, I can sometimes put my head back down and focus on getting another hour of work done on the computer, despite my fatigue, or I can swim an extra 100 meters, sprinting, after I might have called it quits for the day.
I don't have cancer, but as a human being, I feel a debt of gratitude toward Armstrong.
 
The only reason they don't say it is proof is because there are other explanations for weird blood values (mainly illness). You don't get 3rd in the TDF when you have a flu or something that affects you blood values strongly.

Here is a chart for the non-believers
lancearmstrongblood2009.JPG
 
^ I understand what you are saying, but I still have two questions.
First, they said his blood tests "are consistent with" use of PEDs, but they could have said "suggest" use of PEDs. Why did they choose the weakest way of saying it?
Second, I have no idea what the chart means or where you got it from. Could you explain it, and give the source?
 
^ I understand what you are saying, but I still have two questions.
First, they said his blood tests "are consistent with" use of PEDs, but they could have said "suggest" use of PEDs. Why did they choose the weakest way of saying it?
Second, I have no idea what the chart means or where you got it from. Could you explain it, and give the source?
My idea is that they say "is fully consistent with" because it is not that hard to find a blood expert+good lawyer who will give an alternative explanation that is likely enough to have a chance before a court. I guess they believe the other evidence is (legally) more convincing. There is currently no official standard for the limits which are clear proof of blood doping!

The chart was circulating on the internet, but is plotted out of numbers (Armstrong himself?) put online. They are republished in this article . Basically, it is a plot of reticulocyte(immature red blood cells) count vs. hematocrit. After re-infusion of blood, the reticulocyte count is lower.
 
%90 of profesional cyclists use some form of doping, i am a big fan of the sport but if you look at something like tour de france it is very difficult for a person to ride these distances non stop only eating power bars and drinking gatorade.
 
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