USADA to ban Armstrong for life, strip Tour titles

1. When they ride side by side. They ride side by side on the road often leading me to consider hitting them or going into on coming traffic and throwing a car accident, hopefully involving fire and explosions, into them.

2. They do not follow the rules and regulations of the road. If you are traveling in or on a vehical, even a bike, you must stop at red lights and stop signs. This is not an option they must follow the rules of the road. Off topic there was a news article where police gave a few of these jerks tickets and they thought it was a grave injustice.

3. Most of them seem unaware that they are on a rode owned by the car. We try to be aware and compensate for there existence but it seems like sometimes they just don't care how dangerous it can be. It's called sharing the road not swerving to avoid and assuming he's going to run the stop sign.

1. Enjoy your spell in prison for attempted murder.

2. Those are a minority, how many cars follow the damn rules of the road?

3. You try to be aware and compensate for their existance? you should be fucking aware of anything in the road ffs.

Nothing pisses me off more than shitty drivers bitching about cyclists. -.- But then again shitty cyclists bitching about motorists is annoying too.
 
1. When they ride side by side. They ride side by side on the road often leading me to consider hitting them or going into on coming traffic and throwing a car accident, hopefully involving fire and explosions, into them.

2. They do not follow the rules and regulations of the road. If you are traveling in or on a vehical, even a bike, you must stop at red lights and stop signs. This is not an option they must follow the rules of the road. Off topic there was a news article where police gave a few of these jerks tickets and they thought it was a grave injustice.

3. Most of them seem unaware that they are on a rode owned by the car. We try to be aware and compensate for there existence but it seems like sometimes they just don't care how dangerous it can be. It's called sharing the road not swerving to avoid and assuming he's going to run the stop sign.

i don't know where you're from but will answer this from a UK perspective as that's where i am.

1. riding two abreast is legally allowed for cyclists.

2. see #1, you don't know the rules yet are calling out cyclists for not following them?

3. what do you mean, owned by the car? the roads are paid for by everyone's taxes, vehicle excise duty ("road tax") doesn't pay for roads, it goes into the government tax pot.
 
if you want to be a regressive troglodyte then sure, go ahead and rage against those damn cyclists. I for one don't believe that an ideal society features multi-ton metallic killing machines plowing through pedestrian-heavy streets at 70+ mph while staring into iphones!
 
http://lancearmstrong.com/news-events/lance-armstongs-statement-of-august-23-2012

Lance Armstong's Statement of August 23, 2012
AUSTIN, Texas - August 23rd, 2012 - There comes a point in every man's life when he has to say, "Enough is enough." For me, that time is now. I have been dealing with claims that I cheated and had an unfair advantage in winning my seven Tours since 1999. Over the past three years, I have been subjected to a two-year federal criminal investigation followed by Travis Tygart's unconstitutional witch hunt. The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today – finished with this nonsense.

I had hoped that a federal court would stop USADA’s charade. Although the court was sympathetic to my concerns and recognized the many improprieties and deficiencies in USADA’s motives, its conduct, and its process, the court ultimately decided that it could not intervene.

If I thought for one moment that by participating in USADA’s process, I could confront these allegations in a fair setting and – once and for all – put these charges to rest, I would jump at the chance. But I refuse to participate in a process that is so one-sided and unfair. Regardless of what Travis Tygart says, there is zero physical evidence to support his outlandish and heinous claims. The only physical evidence here is the hundreds of controls I have passed with flying colors. I made myself available around the clock and around the world. In-competition. Out of competition. Blood. Urine. Whatever they asked for I provided. What is the point of all this testing if, in the end, USADA will not stand by it?

From the beginning, however, this investigation has not been about learning the truth or cleaning up cycling, but about punishing me at all costs. I am a retired cyclist, yet USADA has lodged charges over 17 years old despite its own 8-year limitation. As respected organizations such as UCI and USA Cycling have made clear, USADA lacks jurisdiction even to bring these charges. The international bodies governing cycling have ordered USADA to stop, have given notice that no one should participate in USADA’s improper proceedings, and have made it clear the pronouncements by USADA that it has banned people for life or stripped them of their accomplishments are made without authority. And as many others, including USADA’s own arbitrators, have found, there is nothing even remotely fair about its process. USADA has broken the law, turned its back on its own rules, and stiff-armed those who have tried to persuade USADA to honor its obligations. At every turn, USADA has played the role of a bully, threatening everyone in its way and challenging the good faith of anyone who questions its motives or its methods, all at U.S. taxpayers’ expense. For the last two months, USADA has endlessly repeated the mantra that there should be a single set of rules, applicable to all, but they have arrogantly refused to practice what they preach. On top of all that, USADA has allegedly made deals with other riders that circumvent their own rules as long as they said I cheated. Many of those riders continue to race today.

The bottom line is I played by the rules that were put in place by the UCI, WADA and USADA when I raced. The idea that athletes can be convicted today without positive A and B samples, under the same rules and procedures that apply to athletes with positive tests, perverts the system and creates a process where any begrudged ex-teammate can open a USADA case out of spite or for personal gain or a cheating cyclist can cut a sweetheart deal for themselves. It’s an unfair approach, applied selectively, in opposition to all the rules. It’s just not right.
USADA cannot assert control of a professional international sport and attempt to strip my seven Tour de France titles. I know who won those seven Tours, my teammates know who won those seven Tours, and everyone I competed against knows who won those seven Tours. We all raced together. For three weeks over the same roads, the same mountains, and against all the weather and elements that we had to confront. There were no shortcuts, there was no special treatment. The same courses, the same rules. The toughest event in the world where the strongest man wins. Nobody can ever change that. Especially not Travis Tygart.

Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities. This October, my Foundation will celebrate 15 years of service to cancer survivors and the milestone of raising nearly $500 million. We have a lot of work to do and I'm looking forward to an end to this pointless distraction. I have a responsibility to all those who have stepped forward to devote their time and energy to the cancer cause. I will not stop fighting for that mission. Going forward, I am going to devote myself to raising my five beautiful (and energetic) kids, fighting cancer, and attempting to be the fittest 40-year old on the planet.

Lance Armstrong is my boy. He's the one that got me into cycling (even raced some in college), and has inspired me through out the years. I believe in him, and will continue to. Even on the huge off chance that he did cheat, it still doesn't take away the huge contribution he had to the cycling world, let alone the real world.
 
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So what, they are going to strip his medals and give them to the runner up, who no doubt was doping just as much? Use of EPO in cycling was absolutely rife during this period, this seems rather like sour grapes from his teammates that were never quite as good, trying to bring Lance down off his pedestel. Also I can't think of another example where an athlete has had medals stripped from them on the basis of what is essentially just rumour and hearsay, even though he passed every single drug test. Hell those 1980s East German Olympic athletes have all been allowed to keep their medals despite being widely acknowledged to have been stuffed full of steroids, people just accept that things were different back then. Anyway so far as I'm concerned doping should be encouraged and out in the open if it makes for more exciting sporting events, just like with drug prohibition the only way to really protect athletes health is through regulation, this blanket prohibition merely means the team with the best masking techniques and luck don't get busted rather than actually stopping doping from happening.
 
Nothng pisses me off more than when cyclists give there whole "share the road spill". I say when you can go the speed limit we can share the road until then stfu and find a park to ride in.
 
Around where I currently reside, most of the main roads have a separate lane for bicycles on the rightmost side in both directions. I've come across cyclists who chose to ignore said lane and still rode in front of a sausage of cars at ~15mph; which, understandably probably would really tick off anyone behind who's on a timer.
 
Fuck this, I don't doubt that he was doping, but when the only evidence clearly shows he "wasn't" then hearsay and speculation don't cut it. I think athletes should dope all they want, personally. It's all chemistry anyway.. . the

And fuck the animosity towards cyclists. Cars are for lazy fat asses, and support the tyrannical oil tycoons. Roads are for cars, eh? Why is that? And what is it about spandex that makes people afraid of homosexuals? Because you can see the contour of the genitals? Dont look then, if it makes you afraid. Christ almighty, people and their penis issues! And hop on a bike, as much as i hate to admit it, spandex makes the job a lot easier. I'd lkke to see us move away from our auto addiction. 23536 makes some damn good sense above , per usual.
 
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if you want to be a regressive troglodyte then sure, go ahead and rage against those damn cyclists. I for one don't believe that an ideal society features multi-ton metallic killing machines plowing through pedestrian-heavy streets at 70+ mph while staring into iphones!

I recently moved and in the new town I'm in, I'm surprised I haven't been run over yet. Loads of people bike around here though so that's pretty cool since parking is an issue.
 
I read somewhere (sorry, can't find the link) that for one of those TdF titles, the 'new' winner ended up being the cyclist who had initially finished in 7th place - all the runners, from the 1st to the 6th rank, were doped.

At this point, shouldn't we all recognize these athletes' contribution as human guinea pigs instead of punishing them for doping? That's pretty much the only way the TdF could ever regain some credibility... they should market the event as a science fair!
 
OK,
if you know about cycling this isn't just about some doping. Yes, many people did it in the Armstrong era. This is about pushing others to dope, about covering up positive tests, about intimidating witnesses. No proof? There is the '99 corticoid positive (afterwards a TUE was retroactively supplied even though armstrong claimed earlier that he had no therapeutic use exemptions), the EPO positives from the '99 tour (only B-sample tested later when test was admitted so technically unadmissable), the (alleged) cover-up at the 2001 Tour de Suisse and the $100,000+ donation he made afterwards to the international cycling union. Additionally, his comeback blood values (2009-2010) strongly point to blood manipulation.
But I agree that there is no point awarding others the TDF titles, because they all doped. The difference is that LA got away with it because of his influence & connections. To me, it is too coincidental that many teammates of Lance have tested positive, but always right after they leave a team with Armstrong in it. You can think of him what you want, but in my opinion he should come clean, help move cycling forward and spend the rest of his time on the good work with his cancer foundation.
But most importantly: this isn't only about Armstrong. What people forget is that 5 others were charged in the "US Postal Conspiracy", most of which were still active in cycling. Michele Ferrari & Luis Garcia Del Moral are already banned for life by USADA, and were both still treating 100s of athletes. The 3 others are still awaiting arbitration but are also still active in sports (teammanager Bruyneel, team doc Celaya & coach Pepe Marti of Contador fame). This needs to happen to rid cycling of its' skeletons & people who don't want to cooperate shouldn't be surprised that they get harsh punishments.
BTW, expect a lot of (hard) evidence to come out in the coming weeks/months
 
i read about this yesterday. personally, i think its bullshit. if they dont have any physical evidence then i dont think its rights. i cant remember if i read that he had pissed dirty in the past or not but if he doesnt have any dirty tests then i think its bullshit that he is banned....if he has never pissed dirty then stripping him of his titles is like a crime.
 
Armstrong's no less a "cheater" than anyone else that has won any of the Grand Tours in cycling (i.e. Giro D'Italia, Tour de Fance, Vuelta a España). All of them are more or less inhumane and impossible to win without doping.

I really enjoy professional cycling, it's one of my favourite sports to watch. Especially the mountain stages. But I've ages ago given up on the thought of any of the top cyclists to be clean. It may be possible on a professional level in some sports, but not in professional cycling. The thing that surpsises me about Armstrong getting "caught" is not that he used doping, but that he in fact was so amateurish there's so much evidence left. It was exactly the same thing with Alberto Contador, my personal favourite. Him using doping was not a surprise in the least, but the surprising thing was him behaving so amateurish as to get caught for using clenbuterol.
 
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It seems like everyone I the cycling world dopes but IMO cycling gets all this press for doping because it is one of the sports that goes harder on its athletes then most others.
 
Everyone in the tour de france is on drugs.

Lance had "cancer" which prescribed him testosterone, EPO and multiple other drugs that are commonly used as sports enhancing substances in cycling.

(EPO increases red blood cell count which can give a person god-like endurance.)


You know what the problem with doping on the tour de france is? How much is too much? People have died from trying to over supplement in order to give themselves that 5% advantage that wins the race. But a NATURAL race would be boring.

No one wants to pay to see natural humans compete. Super humans are what the athletics entertainment industry banks on. Natural humans get hurt and can't go on. Natural humans are built to survive. Enhancement pushes humans to be able to keep going on the brink of unconsciousness or death.

Lance should have never been charged. This is a tremendous loss for many companies like LIVESTRONG and overturns the truth of professional athletes to the ignorant public.
 
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