Uruguay’s plan to sell pot may not be that crazy

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Uruguay’s plan to sell pot may not be that crazy

Judging from what Uruguay’s President Jose Mujica recently told me in an extended interview, there is a real possibility that people in his country will soon be able to buy marijuana legally from a state-regulated company that will be in charge of marketing and selling the drug. Mujica earlier this month submitted a bill to congress that may be the boldest marijuana legalization proposal anywhere in the world. It calls for the state to “take over the control and regulation of activities related to the importation, production, acquisition, storage, marketing and distribution of marijuana.”

This would go way beyond what countries such as the Netherlands and Portugal have done in recent decades to in effect decriminalize marijuana use. It also dwarfs recent proposals by Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina ― and milder versions by the leaders of Colombia and Mexico ― to start an open debate over legalization of drugs. Are you proposing that the state start selling marijuana? I asked Mujica. “It’s a little bit more profound than that,” he answered. “The idea is to take away the market from drug traffickers.”

Mujica explained that, nowadays, drug traffickers who sell marijuana in Uruguay often induce young people to consume heavier drugs, such as cocaine paste. That has caused, among other things, a major rise in violent crime in the country. “We prefer that this market of bland drugs no longer be used as a gateway for the sale of the so-called hard-drugs,” Mujica said.

By regulating Uruguay’s estimated $40 million-a-year marijuana business, the state will take it away from drug traffickers, and weaken the drug cartels, he said. In addition, the state would be able to keep track of all marijuana consumers in the country, and provide treatment to the most serious abusers, much like is being done today with alcoholics, he said.

Asked whether under his proposal people would buy marijuana in street cafes or kiosks, Mujica said it will be up to the Uruguayan congress to decide that. He added that his bill has a “50-50 chance of passing,” but that he is hopeful that a public discussion of it will lead to some variation of it being approved soon.

What about the criticism that a state-run marijuana company would become an inefficient bureaucracy, with high chances of becoming corrupted by the drug trade? I asked. Mujica, who until now has refused to reveal whether he supports a state or private firm to run the proposed marijuana enterprise, said that “a private company will sell it” under strict government control, much like what happens today with alcohol sales. In other words, the state would hire a private firm to manage the business.

And what about the argument that if this law passes, Uruguay will become a marijuana tourism destination? I asked. “This will be a mechanism for Uruguayans, who will be registered, and who will have a monthly ration” of the drug, he said, adding that foreigners will not qualify to buy marijuana. Wouldn’t lower marijuana prices lead to an increase in consumption, much like happened with alcohol at the end of the U.S. prohibition era in the 1930s? I asked. Mujica responded that it’s a risk worth taking.

When the United States lifted its ban on alcohol, “people at first drank a little bit more, but the fact is that life went on in the United States, and today it’s a pretty prosperous nation, isn’t it?” he said. “What we can’t afford doing is continuing to play the fools, to look the other way” while consumption of harder drugs and drug-related violence continues, Mujica concluded. “We must try other weapons.”

http://view.koreaherald.com/kh/view.php?ud=20120823001028&cpv=0
 
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I wish our politicians were as forward thinking as this guy. People won't be made into criminals for buying a bit of weed and the government makes more cash from the sales.
 
I think this can only help Uruguayans and all of Latin America. I'd like to see it get more press than Portugal's move because I think theyre going about it the right way. Maybe one day even the US will wake up and.. okay *snaps back to reality.*
 
government has very little direct say as to whether or not citizens become drug addicts

they can either fight it and cause pain or accept it and alleviate some of the damage
 
Sounds like they're basically trying to do the same thing we are in Washington...


The only problem I have with this kind of legalization is that President Mujica is sure to elect one of his buddies as the head of the "Private Company" and the monopoly they're setting up is going to make them ridiculous amounts of money... which is, by his own admission, the only reason they're actually doing this...


So is it just ONE company that's going to sell it, or are we going to see a few companies spring up and have to compete for the market..? I mean, if you can ONLY buy hamburgers from McDonald's, I'm sure they would jack their prices way up and start letting quality slack (can you imagine, low quality McDonald's.....?)
 
Any way to change the title? It's not a bad article, and there is no need for such inflammatory language, especially when the article doesn't warrant it.
 
^ Yes. The title of the article on the website (as I found it today) was not inflammatory, so I replaced it.
OP, did you make up that title, or was it originally the title on the website?

As for the article, I liked it. The leader of Uruguay mostly sounds pretty with it, though he is using the discredited gateway drug theory (to argue for legalization!). Hope it passes!
 
I wish our politicians were as forward thinking as this guy. People won't be made into criminals for buying a bit of weed and the government makes more cash from the sales.

Its going to take brave and courageous politicians and governments to end the madness once and for all. And I think that South American countries like Uruguay, Colombia, Mexico, Guatemala are the ones to do it.
 
Sounds like they're basically trying to do the same thing we are in Washington...


The only problem I have with this kind of legalization is that President Mujica is sure to elect one of his buddies as the head of the "Private Company" and the monopoly they're setting up is going to make them ridiculous amounts of money... which is, by his own admission, the only reason they're actually doing this...


So is it just ONE company that's going to sell it, or are we going to see a few companies spring up and have to compete for the market..? I mean, if you can ONLY buy hamburgers from McDonald's, I'm sure they would jack their prices way up and start letting quality slack (can you imagine, low quality McDonald's.....?)
If Uruguay is going to allow competition in distribution, and in production if going totally private, then I don't think it's bad. If it's going to be public and the proceeds goes to the Uruguayan people than I don't think it's bad. Even if it was a corporate monopoly don't the gangsters already have a monopoly? In any case there's nothing to stop anyone from continuing civil disobedience. Also I'd argue that all big food companies are basically McDonalds, so that's pretty much already happened.
Mujica explained that, nowadays, drug traffickers who sell marijuana in Uruguay often induce young people to consume heavier drugs, such as cocaine paste. That has caused, among other things, a major rise in violent crime in the country. “We prefer that this market of bland drugs no longer be used as a gateway for the sale of the so-called hard-drugs,” Mujica said.
This has happened to me and others. Dealer was out of weed but still wanted a sale, consumer still wanted a buzz. This person had meth. What happened next?;)
 
Even if it was a corporate monopoly don't the gangsters already have a monopoly?

No, multiple "cartels" have to compete for the market, meaning they need to have a better quality or lower price than their competitor's product... that is, in it's very nature, not a monopoly. In fact, that's a free market economy LOL

If Uruguay is going to allow competition in distribution, and in production if going totally private, then I don't think it's bad. If it's going to be public and the proceeds goes to the Uruguayan people than I don't think it's bad.

That's what I'm asking though...... are they? He said a Private Company, so it makes me wonder a bit
 
^In much of the world, drug gangs violently suppress rivals, sometimes even forcing people to by their crappy drugs, thus establishing a monopoly. Drugs are an inelastic commodity too so there's no intensive to make cheap strong drugs, just sell the same garbage in your turf.

It's funny that you put "cartels" in sarcastic quotation marks. A cartel is a group of businesses conspiring to fix prices for there benefit. Most of the "drug cartels" would be more accurately described as syndicates or companies. Don't know why they aren't really called drug syndicates much anymore, or drug companies, drug businesses, or drug corporations. Ochoa, the French Connection,Khun Sa and "The Godfather" came close.El Chapo's trying, but is not there yet.

If the drug gangs in Mexico or Colombia were really cartels then they'd either jack the prices up and put weight over purity to squeeze out more from the customers they already have, or would increase purity and lower prices for more customers. Probably would alternate between the two, depending on conditions. Not cheaper/expensive here and there, literally like the same all over. There would be not as much beheadings and shootings; strangely I feel that the opposite would be true in a real free market.

The black market is not a free market. A free market requires the rule of law to protect property rights and prevent theft or fraud. The rivals in even a lassie-fare economy can't just rob and kill a rival. More like some trying to be anarcho-capitalist in a mixed capitalist society.
 
As for the article, I liked it. The leader of Uruguay mostly sounds pretty with it, though he is using the discredited gateway drug theory (to argue for legalization!). Hope it passes!

Is it really so bullshit? Every time I've ever got shrooms it was through some weed dealer of mine (except once at a pot related event), if I got my weed at a store, would I have ever gotten shrooms? Sounds like the gateway theory in action. When you deal with the black market, you tend to find more black market sources (bet the "gateway theory" as I'm using it could just as easily apply to alcohol and sugar [I'm at the store, buying a bottle, may as well get a candy bar. Would I have gotten that candy bar if I called someone to deliver the alcohol to my house?])
 
I don't think that's what most people call the Gateway Drug Theory. The gateway theory is more like: marijuana gives you a mild high, and once you get bored of it you'll look for a more intense high--but if you had never started with the weed, you wouldn't be seeking any high.

Not defending it, just trying to define it.
 
The USA needs to go the same way as Portugal. They have decriminalized ALL illegal substances in small amounts and after several years under this policy drugs use has actually gone DOWN.......
 
Isn't the gateway hypothesis more like marijuana's as much of a stepping stone to heroin as oxycodone? I think what Mujica is saying is that cannabis is the foundation of the drug trade. Those who get weed from gangsters will probably be offered cocaine. It's still your choice, but if they could take away drug dealer's bread and butter it might not put someone who just want weed in the position, and reduce the MONEY(the most addictive and damaging drug of all!) that helps them also sell hard drugs, buy guns, and commit other crimes like extortion. Potheads get weed, less crackheads, what's bad about that?(FYI I love smoking rock8()
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Every time I've ever got shrooms it was through some weed dealer of mine (except once at a pot related event), if I got my weed at a store, would I have ever gotten shrooms?
Probably would have. Grows in the wild. Ideally they should be legalized too.

I would have done hard drugs regardless of weed. However a lot a dealers sell weed, x, coke, h, and meth; Ask these same dealers if they got psys they usually say,"Are you fucking crazy? That shit makes your brain bleed." As they're smoke meth or sherm.8(

IMO alcohols more of a gateway drug. Basically a legal hard drug IMO. How many times has someone gotten drunk and uninhibited, and used hard drugs in their stupor when previously not interested? I see that a lot.

I hope that they give dealers some kind of support to get their lives together and go legit.
 
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