Update on opiate journey..........

[Pegasus]

Well I don't know the extent of Jake's "pity party", and it my be exactly that, but there are lots of people who just go through this same range of emotions for years but just don't post about it all the time like Jake does. Maybe take this at face value for what it obviously is-- someone struggling with addiction. I know that all of the arguments you guys have about Jake not taking action to quit could easily be applied to me and my life, and I will tell you that I've wanted to quit many times yet here I am still battling... It doesn't make much sense, I agree, but I think you guys should not get mad about it. Tough love is one thing, but it seems that some of you guys are actually yourselves mad over this, and really, you shouldn't be. This site is going to be a draw to addicts in all various stages of addiction, and while you guys can try to change these people that come through here (and it is certainly commendable that you try), if it doesn't pan out then you have to understand the nature of the condition we are dealing with. Wanting to quit and being addicted are not exclusive.

So keep trying, maybe next time it will work. Just don't get mad at him... That won't work.

 

[oliphill]

How many people do you know who kicked the habit and that was the end of it? I can't think of one and I've known many dope fiends.

Quite a few actually

Becuz I been talkin to jake for a very long time and know that he had absolutely zero success with sub i know his situation and the deal here. the suggestions and shit im sayin to him is based on that.

And zero success with methadone too it seems. Some people can get stable on methadone, some can't. I know it may have worked for you, I seem to remember a "where's the love for meth" thread by you.. but for some (me) nothing was ever enough (and it seems jake too) .Total abstinence was the only way for an addict like me. I've been following Jake's posts for a while and he reminds me of me so so so much. Always wanting something different, trying out a new plan, failing, but never really willing to give total abstinence a go. I was avoiding it, trying every possible alternative route, then finally when I was completely broken gave it a go and it's the best thing I ever did.

Methadone is such a bitch to come off and the PAWS are horrible and drawn out too. The longer you are on it, the longer these effects last. Meaning the longer you stay on MMT the less likely you will be to ever get off. I just can't see Jake ever being stable on methadone, so I can't see how it is of any benefit. Someone like this is best just to come off it all and work a recovery program, no substance is ever gonna be the solution.

I totally respect your views tho lacey. I think in general when something works for someone and affects their life in a positive way, they become passionate about it. i.e. me saying get off meth and you saying use it to your advantage. Which is cool as we both must be nice people if we want to help people who are suffering from problems we also experienced ourselves.

 

[jake99]

man im so confused

 

[Help me please]

^ Jake you need to live your life for you and only you!

That means the hell with what others think of you oncluding your father. I know you love him and I admire that you do But you have to live your life for you first! Decide to get clean for you not your father.

And to the rest...though I am willing to take Jake into my home and care for him even though we have never met, Jake does not know me and may be leary to come here because of that. We are working on getting to know each other. He needs to trust me to care for him. He doesn't need to be stressed out with detoxing!

 

[SececaRD]

I gotta say it: Help me Please:

You takeing Jake into your house would be a bad mistake. Your not gonna be able to save him. I guarentee it ends in a disaster. Mark my words. BIG MISTAKE.

 

[OverDone]

It doesn't look like this thread is likely to yield any further value.

jake there are many, many valid suggestions, experiences and tips held within this thread. Please take the time to read through again and try some of the suggestions offered (and please don't let the negativity fuck with you).

I would also encourage others to read the TDS Forum Guidelines.

Unfortunately, this thread has been habitually thrown off topic with derogatory comments to other TDSers and challenges concerning individual experiences.