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Unknown RC substance ( suspected of being 3,4-DMMC ) + alcohol + hash.

BluLait

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Felt exactly like sex - Unknown RC ( suspected 3,4-DMMC ) + alcohol + hash.

About 6 months ago I tried my first RC (apart from synthetic cannabinoids).

So there were these little crystals (yummy) and it had a super distinct smell. Also burned your nose like FUCK and your eyes would water.
I can't really compare it to anything since I haven't done anything similar. All I tried were other (unknown) RC's, shitload of weed, benzos and codeine.

It was the first time I ever snorted anything too. I was with a friend from work and he kept telling me about this new substance, and that it was quite safe & chill (you could snort a shitload without OD'ing) and he described the feeling as being somewhat MDMA-like (with the body feeling) but he said it didn't compare with other aspects (empathogenic, also less stimulating and euphoric). He did not know what the substance was called because the guy he had bought it from had no fucking idea, he wasn't even a drug user, he just bought some RC's in bulk (god knows from where) and sold them like that. My friend said the fact that he didn't know what it was troubled him but that he had tried it many times before and liked it, as did many of his friends.

I would also discovered this substance later on, buying from another dealer. This guy claimed it was just simply DMMC what lead me to believe it may have been the substance 3,4-dmmc. More about this later in my report.

So here we go- this is also my first trip report.

We buy the stuff and some hash and go to my house.

T=0m We get to my house, he starts spilling some powder on a mirror, crushes the crystals, makes 2 lines and snorts the first one. Then he gives me the rolled banknote and said to hit it. Quite reluctant at first and somewhat anxious, I eventually did after about 30 seconds of staring at it, my nose felt like shit, very corrosive. I got a little bit more anxious, as normal with any new substance.

T+3m My friend says he is starting to feel it, I am not feeling any different and get a bit dissapointed. I ask him what it was supposed to feel like. With a confident smile on his face he quickly says: "Just wait for it, you'll know soon enough".

T+5m Just like that, BAM! I get up from the couch and feel this wave of pure orgasmic pleasure tingling throughout my body starting from my chest and radiating towards the rest of my body. My jaw was starting to clench up. I go to look in the mirror, my pupils were dillated, not full saucers but pretty huge.

T+7m I was definitely feeling it more and more intense. Teeth were grinding, all anxiety faded away. I tell him to cut out more lines cause I was feeling incredible. He told me to wait until at least 15 mins have passed for safety.

T+15m The effect stopped getting better so we did 1 more line each.

T+25m HOLY SHIT. I was streched out on the couch and looking at the fucking ceiling saying over and over again in my mind: "THIS, IS, FUCKING, UNBELIEVABLE". I felt like I was orgasming... and it wouldn't stop, it would just get stronger and stronger (exactly like sex, but sex doesn't even compare to what followed). Right then and there I knew this was it, this was what I was looking for all my life, this was... it. I told my friend that I was afraid I might get addicted to this since it felt so amazing but I didn't really care since I didn't need anything else. Music didn't really sound much better, maybe a little because I was so damn happy - but certainly not an effect of the drug - I was alert and felt like dancing though.

T+35m The incredible rush stopped and I was left with the peak effects which also reminded me a lot like when you're head-over-heels in love with someone. I'm talking about the kind of adolescent love. Think about being 16 again, and the moment you kiss the girl you fell in love with and holding her hand was what I was feeling, together with an orgasm sensation. I was also mildly stimulated, talking/moving faster than usual, not really much on the adrenaline side though - my heart probably was around 100-110 BPM.

T+40m We open a bottle of white wine, we drink it and chat & smoke cigarettes & just generally chill.

T+50m We smoke some hash. We do 2 more lines each and finish the first bag (0.30 total for both). I opened the second bag I had and we did 1 small bump each.

T+55m The alcohol kicks in fully and I decided to also drink some whiskey because I was barely feeling any effects from the wine. I was feeling 2x as good with the alcohol as when just on the RC alone. I probably had around 400ml white wine and 100 ml whiskey at this point. I was snorting a 30mg line/bump every 10 minutes.

T+70m Drank another 250ml whiskey (I drank it like it was water). - bringing it to a total of about 350ml whiskey and 400ml wine. I would normally be VERY drunk at this point. I didn't feel drunk though, just slowed down a bit, but was able to feel the euphoric effects of the alcohol much better while it would make me feel a lot less sluggish.

T+75m We ran through a whole pack of cigarettes in less than an hour, what the fuck? Oh yeah, btw cigarettes felt great. We go outside to buy another pack. I was talking to everyone in the shop about random stuff. I didn't even know these people and I was asking the shopkeeper how was work that day, if she had many customers, if she smoked, what she smoked, how long has she been a shopkeeper for. I then started making stupid inappropriate jokes with her. She was definitely not feeling the love I had, but I didn't care, I just kept talking to other random people. I didn't give a shit, nor did my friend for that matter, he was just looking at me and what I was doing and laughed.

On the way back from the shop, I asked some guy on the street for a light and then invited him to come over to my house and drink something with us - my friend stopped me at this point saying to chill the fuck out - which I did and I apologised to the random guy on the street for my boldness and moved on.

T+95m I get home and I just lay down on the floor and for the next 15 minutes I sit without moving looking up at the ceiling, just saying to myself "Oh god I just died and went to fucking heaven". I had about 100mg left of the RC. My friend leaves around this point saying he's going to sleep because I was clearly out of it.

T+110m Just 30mg left, i dose it up in two small bumps/lines. I snort one of them, and immediately begin to feel uneasy because there was just 1 line left and I honestly didn't know what to do after that. So i put it in the bag, and put the bag safely away somewhere thinking that I was going to snort it the next day to help me wake up.

T+120m No matter how much I wanted to snort that line in the morning and go to sleep, wasn't going to happen, it was like I was already addicted.

"I'll just do the last bump and buy some more tomorrow" I say to myself. So I go and take the bag, pour the powder on a flat surface and snort it. Right then and there, although I was high as a motherfucker and feeling so great, I was scared shitless, and was so panicked - just like a heroin addict getting a call from his dealer telling him he will have to wait another day before he can get some (and he knows he's gonna feel sick as hell while he's waiting for his fix). I knew that was the last of it, until the next day at least.

So I go to sleep (I could sleep pretty well on this substance, also probably because it wore off in about 30 mins to 1 hour). So the next day I buy some more, repeat the experience, only this time with even more CRAZY amounts of alcohol (I drank 3 beers, and about 1L of red wine, and some leftover whiskey). I noticed that the high didn't last as much and wasn't as intense. I went through 0.25g bag in an hour.

The third day I do it again. Same story.

Fourth day, tried again.. really dissapointed me this time because no matter how much I snorted I couldn't get as high as I was the first time, not even close to be exact. I snorted so much so fast that my ears started ringing and my hands were a bit numb and feeling little needles through them.

I didn't buy anymore of the stuff for about a week or so. After that, tried again. Better effects than the previous time, but again, nowhere near as close as what happened to me the first time.

I bought it a few more times until it got to the point where I would barely feel anything from it. I mean, nothing... like I was snorting fucking sugar or whatever. It was the same substance too because it had the same smell/taste (I still remember it perfectly, and always will). Also my liver was starting to hurt when I walked, pretty bad. So i stopped for good.

After taking a 2 month break, I was searching for something to snort and this dealer guy had a bag of a white substance. I asked what it was and he said DMMC.
So yeah, I buy the DMMC thing. And to my surprise, the first bump I take - I know it - it's the exact same chemical - the taste/smell/burn was identical.

Only this time, after a 2 month break, the orgasmic body effects were back to a certain degree (but I also drank a lot of alcohol on that occasion as I find it improves the experience ten fold).

So what are your opinions? My friend who has done all sorts of drugs told me that the stuff we did was nothing compared to MDMA or something good, but since I haven't done MDMA I can't compare.

The stuff I read about 3,4-dmmc were quite vague but many things fit the picture: bad nose burn, really fast tolerance build-up, very short acting (30 mins or so).
I'd really love to hear from someone who tried 3,4-dmmc and compare experiences.

Thanks for reading.
 
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I have recently tried DMMC. I don't find it as nice as methylone/4-FMC, but at doses of 250mgs + IV (Just took 350mgs, only side effect was a bit of burning when injected and nausea for a few minutes after injecting) I find it to be a very enjoyable substance. I received 5 grams along with 5 grams of 4 other stimulant RC drugs from a Chinese "pharmaceutical" supplier, as a sample pack for $135. This is my first time with it, and the fact I don't get anxiety or cardiovascular problems may be due to the morphine(120mgs X 2 a day), clonazepam (6mgs/day), diazepam(10-30mgs/day), gabapentin (120-180 mgs 3X/ Day) and propranolol (40mgs 3X/Day) I take regularly. I also usually have clonodine on hand encase of cardiac side effects or panic attacks when I take stimulants.

I don't suggest that ay one start out with such large doses, I carefully titrated up to this dose and use a laboratory grade mg scale. IV rc's is potentially dangerous business, I will post a trip report after I have a bit more experience. If this is anything like 4-FMC/methylone (which so far I would say it is like a milder version of 4-FMC) I will probably have a hard time putting it down. A couple doses a day max, due to tolerance building quickly. Dose any one else have experience with various ROA's? I am interested in trying this orally, if it's anything like real pure MDA different ROAs can make it seem like different substances.
 
Good to hear you had a good time, but shit man, seems like you need to learn to handle your highs a bit better!

"I'll just do the last bump and buy some more tomorrow" I say to myself. So I go and take the bag, pour the powder on a flat surface and snort it. Right then and there, although I was high as a motherfucker and feeling so great, I was scared shitless, and was so panicked - just like a heroin addict getting a call from his dealer telling him he will have to wait another day before he can get some (and he knows he's gonna feel sick as hell while he's waiting for his fix). I knew that was the last of it, until the next day at least.

I think this is a bit over the top. having gone thru a serious mephedrone phase, smashing thru upwards of 6 grams in 36 hours, i can appreciate what you mean, but your analogy isnt right.

also, on a harm reduction point, there is no way you are sober after an hour, you just may feel it, but teh drug is still very much in your system! please take care to remmeber when experimenting with drugs taht they arent all like that, smashing that much mdma in in one go will just make you forget everything and will ruin the experience, other drugs it can kill you! so take it steady :)


and i dont know what possesses anyone to stick something that is sold to them as an unknown substance up tehre nose! wtf kinda dealers do you have where you are lol! silly sillyu thing to do!
 
Sounds similar to mephedrone to me. Regardless, doesn't matter if it was pixie dust synthesized from unicorn feces, I don't know what has to go through a person's head to snort a random powder of which they have absolutely no idea what it is. I'm not going to play the 'what if' game, but c'mon man....this is dumb stuff... :(
 
Sounds similar to mephedrone to me. :(

exactly what i was thinking, and as its illegal that would be why he claims to not know what the drug is... ... although he probably knows exactly what it is.

the orgasmic euphoric rushing and corrosive snorting crystals, short duration, instant addiction behaviour sounds like meph
 
lol a drug dealer selling something illegal :O :P but agree, sounds liek meph! tolerence levels just build n build and then you realise its shit and stop doing it :D
 
lol a drug dealer selling something illegal :O :P but agree, sounds liek meph! tolerence levels just build n build and then you realise its shit and stop doing it :D

well duh thats what dealers do but maybe in order to not attract attention to his large stash and the fact that meph makes crazy feinds worse than cocaine he wants to minimise publicity before some hard nut robs him. meph is on a par with cocaine and heroin for addiction and crazy ass behaviour so chances are that dealing it carries the same dirty clientelle and risks.
 
its moreish, not addictive, i could smash thru 10grams in the space of 2 days, then not touch it for am onth! i had a 2c-b trip and upon reentering earths atmiosphere i realised it was a disgusting chemical that i dodnt wanna associate with anymore, and that mdma was miles better, my main problem was my obsessions with railing lines repeatedly, ive gone past that now :) the tolerence level builds so fast, first time i did it half ghram had me on my ass, by time i decided enough was enough i was boshing back 4grams in one 8 hour rave...
 
The stuff I bought wasn't illegal. And the dealers really had no idea what was in it. Since I bought it from a shop selling smoking blends/powders.

It was legal when I bought it in 2011. Mephedrone was banned in 2009. Get your shit straight! This wasn't mephedrone.

Since writing this trip report I have tried MDMA and ethylphenidate. So I can describe it a bit better, make a comparison.

If anything, I'd say it was pretty similar to ethylphenidate, but only the rush, the nice pleasurable body high that I described as "orgasmic" - I've reached that with ethylphenidate. But I could never reach the initial level of pleasure. It didn't give me a clear-headed, clear-stimulant high. It was a bit dirty and intoxicating, but really felt gooooood. Apart from the nice body feeling, it was a worthless drug compared to some others, MDMA was, I'm not exaggerating, one thousand times better. And seeing as mephedrone is a bit similar to MDMA, this shit probably couldn't hold a candle to mephedrone.

The orgasmic body high seems to be a product of dopamine, and not serotonin as I had thought.

I haven't gotten the same body feeling from MDMA. I was expecting something like that. But MDMA only gives me energy tingles throughout my body and a mental-ecstasy-heaven-euphoric state. The shit from my trip report had none of the mental properties of MDMA. :(

and i dont know what possesses anyone to stick something that is sold to them as an unknown substance up tehre nose! wtf kinda dealers do you have where you are lol! silly sillyu thing to do!

The moderators originally closed this thread because I mentioned that the product I bought was sold as "bath salt", "plant food" etc. They got names like "K2", "Diamonds", "Speed", "Pure" etc. So I re-wrote the trip report, being careful not to mention "bath salt" products, so I said I just bought it from a guy who didn't know what it was, which was true.

Don't tell me you've never heard of headshops selling RC's but not mentioning the name of the product eh? They had these in the US - "Ivory Wave" as far as I know. Same thing here, just different names, and a whole range of RC's in them.

That's how shit is in Romania, everybody is buying shit from the headshops, without even knowing what they're taking. I mean, we did know what products contained mephedrone and MDPV back in 2009-2010. But since they banned all these things, it's safe to assume that what I've been sold and what is being sold now are shittier analogues of the same substances.

Either way, after a bad trip with (probably) some cathinone derivative I've had enough of taking unknown drugs. Now I always thoroughly research the stuff I take, test it, and only then use it. I've become a lot more responsible.
 
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head shops have been known to sell products that contain newly banned drugs under some kind of branded mixture.

also dopamine isn't solely responsible for orgasmic body highs. cocaine for me in high doses is very orgasmic, as is mdma, methylone and mephdrone all of which have an effect on dopamine serotonin and noradrenaline. amphetamine (dopamine, noradrenaline) can also be orgasmic but very edgy and uncomfortable with it
 
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