Opioids Unknown Poppy Seed Tea reaction

[Toefur]

Yesterday I took Poppy Sea Tea made from 600g of seeds (common Aus supermarket brand). I started drinking the tea around 2:30pm and finished 1L of it over about 1 1/2 hours.

About 4 hours in I started getting nauseous, but not the normal opiate nausea. At first I thought it was because I'd decided to eat a little about 2 hours in, but it kept building and forced me to puke a number of times, each time getting worse rather than relieving the nausea. Around the 6 hour mark I began hallucinating. Not the usual lucid dream while nodding either, I had full blown OEV's and CEV's comparable to a low/med dose of LSD (which I didn't know was possible on poppy tea). Tessellating patterns, morphing objects, changing colours, the whole shebang. This continued to around 2am (last time I checked the clock) and honestly scared me a fair bit.

Anyone ever heard of, or experienced anything like this before? I'd only taken the PST and eaten a garlic bread all day so there was nothing else that could have caused this.

 

[crOOk]

Definitely the garlic bread. it is widely known that garlic bread will do that to you! ^^

No seriously, the puking is pretty normal on poppy seed, but for the visuals I have no explanation. I've never experienced it and have never heard of anyone else experiencing anything like it.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

On high doses of thebaine derived opioids I occasionally experience vivid closed eyed visuals that are distinctly different than the usual lucid dreams you spoke of. I've never had opened eye visuals from an opioid but it sounds like it would be amazing lol. My shot in the dark and probably wrong guess would be that the pods contained an unusually large amout of thebaine.

 

[Toefur]

No seriously, the puking is pretty normal on poppy seed,

No shit, that's why I said it wasn't the normal opiate nausea...

It's interesting about the Thebaine. I always thought that the Tasmanian poppies were bred for low Thebaine. It was scary, but only because it was so unexpected. If I were aware it was going to happen it might have been awesome.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

I may be way off base about the thebaine. I just remember having very distinct CEVs on high doses of opana(which is derived from thebaine). They were usually something like a scene in a forest or a view of my local lake , a couple times it was a beautiful naked woman. I was always fully awake when I got these, they were very different than the "mini dreams" I have when nodding out.

 

[teological]

This is the primary reason why I can not drink PST. I also think it is the thebaine content, as I get very speedy and feel this very uncomfortable high in which I a become unable to sleep. On pharma opiates, I just get pure euphoria and a clean feeling of a high. With seed tea, it is just so yuck, and with a tolerance I had to morphine, I needed heaps of kilos to feel anything, which just basically wound up me feeling sick as hell, energetic but about to vomit, lying on the couch wanting it to end, in a bid to get high as I had run out of pills.

How many times have you used PST? Do you use any other opiates/opioids?

I recently watched a documentary on Tasmanian poppies, I think it was on ABC, and they now have a strain growing that has extreme heavy amounts of Thebaine in them. They now have warnings to people who steal the pods, that they contain high amounts of thebaine, which is toxic and can kill you before you get your morphine high. I am not sure of the seeds are from the Thebaine strain (probably not), but yeah, something that I watched and I think is relevant to this thread.

 

[Toefur]

I don't mind the speedy feeling and actually prefer PST over H. I don't have much of a tolerance to opiates yet either.

I've used PST a fair bit in the last 6 months. Other than that I used to use codeine and have tried H (only snorted though).

I remember watching that doco too, but I don't think it was the food grade plants that had the high thebaine content

 

[teological]

Yeah, I think they were meant for medicine only. Imagine mistakenly stealing those pods and making a tea

Yeah, I can see how you may enjoy it with a low tolerance. I have tried to use it with a rather high tolerance and just found it to be not worth it, along with the mammoth amount I need and that vile, vile tasting tea!
How was the H may I ask? Why do you prefer it over H? I have never tried H, but I am thinking about it...

 

[Toefur]

H was ok. But never lived up to the expectations. I dunno, I guess I thought too much of it.

I prefer the PST because I use it to manage pain for work sometimes, so having it be a little speedy is much better for me.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

^Heroin is over rated IMO. Its significantly euphoric effects are undermined by their short duration. It may just be me but even good E.C.P. didn't seem to last much longer than the notoriously short lived fentanyl.The only time I would mess with dope is when I was able to preload with tagamet which made the effects last about twice as long. /Ends off topic rambling.

Just curious, do you use PST on a regular basis? I had a several month long pod habit which produced some very shitty and long lived w/d's. I wonder if PST would be a good replacement for kratom when tapering off of pods?

 

[Toefur]

Eh it's intermittent use, but never more than twice in a fortnight.

I wouldn't replace the kratom with it though. PST/PPT are pretty much the same except for potency

 

[RTrain]

^i would not suggest PST for tapering unless you are just trying to take the edge off a huge heroin or Rx painkiller habit. That stuff is pretty strong in itself, just as strong as pods if you get a good source. Pods seem cleaner, though and less of a hassle. I had and oxycodone habit, nothing too bad. I stopped it, then picked up a PST habit for about a month. I had to go back to the oxy or withdraw from PST cause the course became bunk, then I found myself needing 2x the oxy just to hold me for a few hours. After 2-3 hours I'd start to get sick. After 5 days of that I steadied out on the oxy, but then I had 2x the size of an oxy habit from my old one...so I was broke in a few weeks and on Subs from there.

To the OP. For 600 g of seeds I feel a liter is more fluid than is necessary. I was doing 1.5-2 kg of seeds at a time and would have maybe 20 fl oz to drink after I made it. I would hate to have to down much more of that nastiness.

 

[Toefur]

I actually like the taste So downing a liter is not bad at all. I do 3 washes on the seeds to which accounts for the volume of liquid.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Definitely the garlic bread. it is widely known that garlic bread will do that to you! ^^

Yeah maybe it was hallucinogenic garlic bread. You gotta watch out for that shit.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

I wouldn't replace the kratom with it though. PST/PPT are pretty much the same except for potency

Kratom works well for coming off of PPT except that it wears off a little too quickly, causing me to wake up in w/d every morning. I was proposing using PST the same way people use stem and vein kratom when kicking, though I suppose it would not be any different than just using a smaller amount of pods. Kinda redundant I suppose

 

[coelophysis]

How long were you shaking them for each time? And maybe doing the third wash didn't help. I'm not sure there could be that much good stuff left over at that point.

 

[Abject]

Third washes do yield results, the issue is the oils being released from the seeds.
However long you do the first was for (let's say 10 minutes) the second wash should be done as soon as the water is drained, and only be done for 6-7 minutes.
By the time you do a third wash, the seeds will be releasing oils which serve no other purpose than irritating your stomach.

Using ice cold water will allow you more time, likewise using warm water will make the seeds release oils quicker.

Not sure why you were tripping balls OP.


PS I'm sure that nausea WAS common PST nausea.

 

[Toefur]

I used refrigerated water, with a dash of lemon juice, not ice cold and only shook for about 2-3 mins per wash. There's no need to do it for any longer than that. So the whole thing was done in 15 mins or so.

 

[teological]

Ehhh sorry for hijacking, but I have come across a Heroin source as of recent...I usually do Oxy and since we are all on the same page here.....you know how the PST lasts long but does not really have a rush, would the H last just as long (the glow) with low to no tolerance? Also how long is the rush and the extreme euphoria from H?

I have heard that the people who did not click with H, but enjoy opiates in general, simply did not have a high enough dose in one go....what you guys say to that? I am seriously thinking about it lol....I really enjoy a hard rush with euphoria and HEAVY limbs.

 

[spacejunk]

^ h won't last as long as pst, tolerance won't change that.
Don't jump in with silly large doses, you're far more likely to have a bad time.
I think when people say "if you don't like [x drug] you haven't had enough/quality" - they're usually talking about coke, in my experience. Some people try opiates, throw up, feel heavy and unable to stay awake - and hate it.
Be safe - you can always take more, never less etc etc etc

Back to the topic at hand, I used to know someone that would always puke on pst.
Without fail.
Like you though OP, it was hours after consuming and feeling the effects of the stuff. Something about the long halflife and the amount of alkaloids having to be metabolised, to make a guess.

CEVs are certainly common on pst/ppt but I'm not sure I've heard of OEVs before.

It sounds like you had too much or got a strong batch.

Also, I hate to sound like a drag, but try and be strict with your dosing regime.
Keep at least 3 days between uses - the stuff lasts so long, even restricting yourself to partaking "every second day" will end up in dependence given a bit of time.
It's pretty addictive and no fun at all to have to withdraw from. I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but don't underestimate how addictive it is.
Sounds like you had a bum trip this last time - it might seem like a mild drug but it's deceptive and subtle. Be safe, respect the power of the poppy, she's a devious seductress that will lead you to wreck and ruin if you let her take control.
*end lecture*