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the_anatomist

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I'm interested if anybody can help me determine what drug one of my girlfriends took last weekend.
I wasn't there when she took the unkown pill but I saw the aftermath of it. To start off the pill was blueish green and round. She said he pulled the pill off of a piece of cardboard or paper or something of that nature ( I picture those candy dots you can get on a strip). They dude told her it was E and she took it. She has no recolection of the taste or consistancy. She felt a rush come on but she said it only took about 15 minutes before she started to feel like it wasn't E and that she was going to be really fucked. She began loosing her coordination and she quickly blacked out within about 30 minutes after ingestion.
From this point of the night on the events were described to me by my friends that were with here at the time. She became extemely uncoordinated and aggressive. Hanging on people, falling down, grabbing people by the hair, biting and more or less acting like she had compltetly lost her shit. She was far to gone to stay at the club she was and got taken out by her friends when she then came to my house.
Once I saw her she looked like she had taken a shit load of downers but she was extremely fixated on touching things or grabbing them and holding on. She came up to me, lost her balence, I grabbed her and then she started to knead her hand into my back really hard like she woas working dough. I sat her down and she began to speak gibberish and do some other weird shit. She chilled out abit for about 30 minutes. While she was on the couch I noticed that she had begun chewing on her lip. She wasn't just nibbling she was trying to chew on it like a piece of gum. I had to keep on putting my hand in her mouth to keep her from chewing through her lip.
The night went on with various episodes of her becoming abusive and self mutilating. She would scratch, and chew on herself if you didn't restrain her hands. She finally became tired out and in about 3 hours after she got to my house she ended up passing out and she stayed out for the night.
She woke up about 7 hours later feeling like she had taken a ton of E. She felt really cracked out and a had a bad headache. Her lips looked like she had gotten beat in the mouth for about an hour from all the chewing. She says she doesn't remeber a thing about the night at all.
I have a few guesses as to what it was but I don't have much experience with drugs of this nature. Definetly intended to be a Date Rape drug because
a) guy who gave it too her wanted to get with my friend
b) at the time when she took it she said that she would take one if he did too. They both pulled one off and popped them into their mouths. The dude with the pills put it in his mouth but didn't swollow according to another source
c) the obvious amnesia that followed
If anybody has any ideas as to what this could have been your help would be appreciated.
 
My guess would be PMA (paramethoxyamphetamine). PMA's effects resemble MDMAs, except that PMA is more toxic (which is why she would feel more cracked out the next day than usual). PMA also has more side effects (which would probably explain her chewing and her wanting to touch things/restless hands), and can have alcohol-like effects (explaining her lack of physical coordination).
Anyways, that would be my guess, but it's hard to say for sure of course...
 
I would say a DXM , PMA or possibly , but not likely PCP. I don't know much about PCP but I know you lose a lot of your motor skills on it.
 
I had a PMA pill a few years back and I can say that i had similar effects, though i wasn't self destructive. But I was REALLY sick. I had a seizure, spent two days in the hospital in an out of consciousnes. And when I did wake I would try to hurt anyone around me to the point where I had to be put in restraints. Maybe he made the pills himself? It just seems odd that he would give this to her knowing the effects and then try to get with her friend. I hope she's doing okay!
 
Kane, why would you say likely *not* PCP? This girl lost her coordination and yes, PCP does do that.
PCP also is a drug that produces a lot of syptoms that were described here.
The other good candidates would be DXM and PMA.
I would tend to believe there was probably a stimulant in the pill as well, or the pill was a stimulant because she was chewing, which probably means her jaw was clenching. This cuts DXM out of the picture because DXM has been virtually non-existant in pills since October and it makes no sense to combine it with a stimulant such as meth.
So now we're down to PCP cut with meth, this combination commonly sold as ecstasy and we also have PMA as a candidate.
I also don't believe there is a way in hell that this guy was selling her anything that was a date rape drug.
Now, as for PMA.. I'm not sure. Two summers ago I had 2 green unmarked pills. They were sold to me as ecstasy. I was at a small house party where anyone else that was looking forward to rolling had only taken 1. I went outside to smoke some pot and within 15 minutes I remember commenting to a friend that something was wrong and I already felt the effects. I went inside and I remember my friend playing this record.. the song seemed completely trancedental and I remember hearing it all night. The song seemed to go on forever. The next thing I can actually remember happening was asking my friends "what the hell did you give me!?" and they said "ecstasy" and I argued with them that it wasn't ecstasy. Then I remember the girl asking me "well, do you like it?" and I said "yes".
The next thing I remember was sort of coming to in an upstairs room laying around with everyone listening to music. Someone offered me a massage and I said I was not rolling, just mostly tripping. I was really really confused because it seemed like only a few minutes since the pills had kicked in, but it was now 5 hours later. The whole time in-between, I have absolutely no recollection. This scares me even more because this has NEVER happened to me before, and I have taken a LOT of drugs in my time. Other times I've blacked out, I've at least remember my hallucinations or dreams. Anyways, some of the others complained that the rolls were producing very strange effects and not giving a lot of empathetic feelings or heightening the physical senses.
The other really screwed up thing is that apparently during the night I had started cleaning up pieces of trash from around the house then moved on to washing dishes... only the dishes didn't really exist. Again, I am a seasoned user of psychedelics and have done some insane stuff before, but never lost it like this.
I have no idea what the hell I took, but I've always assumed PMA was a possibility. Some of the effects you wrote about, Anatomist, sound reminiscent of whatever the hell I experienced.
 
Don't discount K.
A flatmate once had a pill (female and she was fairly small) and totally lost it. Running around banging her head into walls and yelling "I'm dead I'm dead" all night. so we tested the pill and it had K (the reason we first started testing pills) the short of it is she didn't go well with K so maybe that was in the pill.
 
I think PMA is a highly unlikly cause of this. K sound possible and even more so a PCP + Meth combo, there are quite a few of them on dancesafe. Another possability could be that MDMA triggered a manic episode.
[ 19 February 2002: Message edited by: Johny Boy ]
 
i vote for a combonation. I took pcp and some of the effects are very similar. The chewing of the jaw .. the speaking jibberish ... the co-ordination problems and to a degree the self mutilation. It could have been cut with meth because of the stimulation effect, or it may have even beeen cut with real E .. MDA maybe, witch showes the stimulation/talking gibberish/chewing of the jaws.
it also may have had lsd in it .. altho unlikely .. been a micro dot with other chemicals inside
 
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